Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

[Barrington Womble]

16 minutes ago, El Dangerous said:

It think Bajcetic is being overlooked massively here. At no point during his emergence last season when he was doing the entire leg work in midfield and showing glimpses of what he can do going forward would anyone have happily blocked his path with a £70m bid for Doucore from Palace. Feels like a bad game against Madrid and an injury has blinded some fans to what a prospect he is.

 

If Endo is able bodied and made of nails then he’s exactly the sort of player we should have signed if we’re putting our eggs in the Bajcetic basket. Also, Alex Scott hasn’t loved has he yet? Fuck it go full youth revolution.

Bajcetic though is recovering from an injury that came from some sort of overwork and stress. we will protect him when he comes back. it's not a question of him being overlooked, it's a question of klopp will need to handle him carefully. the one being overlook is endo. you would think we haven't just signed a number 6. i am convinced we have signed him to play and he is certainly here to play. 

[aws]

14 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Bajcetic though is recovering from an injury that came from some sort of overwork and stress. we will protect him when he comes back. it's not a question of him being overlooked, it's a question of klopp will need to handle him carefully. the one being overlook is endo. you would think we haven't just signed a number 6. i am convinced we have signed him to play and he is certainly here to play. 

Agreed. We had three players who can play DM in the squad yesterday, we have Thiago who might get fit again some day, why would be looking to spend sparse funds on another specialist DM? 

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, aws said:

Agreed. We had three players who can play DM in the squad yesterday, we have Thiago who might get fit again some day, why would be looking to spend sparse funds on another specialist DM? 

 

I'd say because we are short on starting midfielders and the area of midfield where we're lacking expertise, as a starter, is DM.

 

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, aws said:

Agreed. We had three players who can play DM in the squad yesterday, we have Thiago who might get fit again some day, why would be looking to spend sparse funds on another specialist DM? 

i think people are seeing endo as some sort of squad filler because he's old and relatively cheap. but i see it differently. we wanted a 6, we tried to get ones in the profile we buy in - young, high level to progress, value - and we failed. So Endo is now a 2 year or so stop gap. He's the 6 and like every signing, we have to trust the scouting and that he is actually good enough. and unfortunately, unlike many younger players, we need him to be right from day 1 pretty much as he's unlikely to be changing and improving much over time. he needs to adjust to the league and by then be at his best level. 

[Street Preacher]

I'm guessing we were originally expecting to go into this season with Fab as our starting DM & were being linked strongly with Lavia since we'll before he left. Was Lavia a back up option incase Fabinho left, or was he going to be his understudy? If so what did that mean for Bajectic? Third choice DM & expected to play further forward most  of the time? Also Henderson could have also been an option in the same position.  Strange that we go from that to Just replacing Fabinho. 

[Bad Red Bull]

9 minutes ago, aws said:

Agreed. We had three players who can play DM in the squad yesterday, we have Thiago who might get fit again some day, why would be looking to spend sparse funds on another specialist DM? 

what sparse funds? We bid 110 million for Caicedo and spent only 18 odd on Endo.

[chrisbonnie]

2 minutes ago, Bad Red Bull said:

what sparse funds? We bid 110 million for Caicedo and spent only 18 odd on Endo.

 

You clearly learned your basic arithmetic in a classroom and not tit fsg offices. 

 

If little johnny bid 110 million last week, but only spent 16 million of it. How much has little johnny got left? 

 

0 is the answer.... Silly boy! 

[kemskem]

If it was Klopp foremost who wanted Fabinho, even though we got to a CL final and CL qualification with Henderson playing as DM, I can see him wanting to concentrate funds on getting another one. Unless he’s thinking of giving Bajcetic a chance to stake a claim to be the long term DM.

[TD_LFC]

30 minutes ago, aws said:

Agreed. We had three players who can play DM in the squad yesterday, we have Thiago who might get fit again some day, why would be looking to spend sparse funds on another specialist DM? 

 

That's really simplistic though as 'players who can play DM' under plays the different styles of DM and what a team may or may not require.

 

Given people complained about the set up and age profile of our midfield last season then I'm not sure that Thiago, Endo and Bajcetic as our main #6 options fixes that.

 

It's like saying we didn't need Sissoko or Mascherano because we had Alonso.

[CapeRed]

32 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

i think people are seeing endo as some sort of squad filler because he's old and relatively cheap. but i see it differently. we wanted a 6, we tried to get ones in the profile we buy in - young, high level to progress, value - and we failed. So Endo is now a 2 year or so stop gap. He's the 6 and like every signing, we have to trust the scouting and that he is actually good enough. and unfortunately, unlike many younger players, we need him to be right from day 1 pretty much as he's unlikely to be changing and improving much over time. he needs to adjust to the league and by then be at his best level. 

I think you have hit the nail on the head . Endo has been given a 4 year contract which I would say is an indication.

[Fallen Angel]

2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Don't see a big issue. If they don't think any available are long term solutions don't spend big. Maybe they see Endo as a med/short term while Bajectic learns the role. Maybe they'll wait for Andre in january

Or perhaps FSG are complete players, putting a record bid for a player they know won’t come, then getting a super cheap replacement knowing enough of gullible fan-base will lap it up. It’s not our fault he chose the Chavs …. Keeping our powder dry until Jan…

 

How long will they continue being the tightest owners in the PL? Until we drive them out, is the answer.

 

It time FSG put up or fucked off, they’re really taking the piss at this point 

[Barrington Womble]

8 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

That's really simplistic though as 'players who can play DM' under plays the different styles of DM and what a team may or may not require.

 

Given people complained about the set up and age profile of our midfield last season then I'm not sure that Thiago, Endo and Bajcetic as our main #6 options fixes that.

 

It's like saying we didn't need Sissoko or Mascherano because we had Alonso.

 

i agree endo probably isn't enough, in the same way last years midfield wasn't enough. i don't think that means we will do another though. klopp has happily run with just one specialist #6 in all the time fab was here and none when he wasn't - including when we decided fab was a centre back. i think klopp will think jones, mac, thiago and bajcetic can all do a job there. i don't like it myself, but i think that's where we are and always have been under klopp. Endo is the new Fab imo. 

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, Fallen Angel said:

Or perhaps FSG are complete players, putting a record bid for a player they know won’t come, then getting a super cheap replacement knowing enough of gullible fan-base will lap it up. It’s not our fault he chose the Chavs …. Keeping our powder dry until Jan…

 

How long will they continue being the tightest owners in the PL? Until we drive them out, is the answer.

 

It time FSG put up or fucked off, they’re really taking the piss at this point 

 

Mental.

[joe_fishfish]

The club always has its own valuations for players, driven by the data team (Spearman’s team) and the scouts (Hunter, Fallows etc) with input from Klopp and Lijnders. We won’t massively overpay on what we’ve valued a player at.

 

So if Caicedo was within valuation at £110m it doesn’t mean we’re going to spend £110m on a player like Doucoure or whoever if we only value them at £30m. A shit deal for a good player is still a shit deal. Like we clearly valued Van Dijk in excess of what we paid for him, if Southampton had been asking for £160m or something insane we would have walked.

 

Imo that’s what happened with Lavia, we valued him at like £30m at the start of the summer then we upped our offers when it became clear that the market price for defensive midfielders has gone up hugely. 

[Moo]

39 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Mental.

 

Just as "mental" to think otherwise.

 

[El Rojo]

I want this guy

 

 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

19 minutes ago, joe_fishfish said:

The club always has its own valuations for players, driven by the data team (Spearman’s team) and the scouts (Hunter, Fallows etc) with input from Klopp and Lijnders. We won’t massively overpay on what we’ve valued a player at.

 

So if Caicedo was within valuation at £110m it doesn’t mean we’re going to spend £110m on a player like Doucoure or whoever if we only value them at £30m. A shit deal for a good player is still a shit deal. Like we clearly valued Van Dijk in excess of what we paid for him, if Southampton had been asking for £160m or something insane we would have walked.

 

Imo that’s what happened with Lavia, we valued him at like £30m at the start of the summer then we upped our offers when it became clear that the market price for defensive midfielders has gone up hugely. 

How can we dictate to the market what value is, do we eventually just buy nobody because football inflation has outgrown us. Klopp said he'd never spend Pogba level money and then admitted he was wrong and the game has changed. Next window isn't going to be any cheaper than this window especially as the Saudis try to pack their league. We hold a certain value and will not change it is bullshit just like keeping our powder dry for the right one and then missing out on the right one 3 times because they got too big or too expensive. We go backwards thinking we are forward looking.

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Just as "mental" to think otherwise.

 

 

 

 

[TD_LFC]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

How can we dictate to the market what value is, do we eventually just buy nobody because football inflation has outgrown us. Klopp said he'd never spend Pogba level money and then admitted he was wrong and the game has changed. Next window isn't going to be any cheaper than this window especially as the Saudis try to pack their league. We hold a certain value and will not change it is bullshit just like keeping our powder dry for the right one and then missing out on the right one 3 times because they got too big or too expensive. We go backwards thinking we are forward looking.

 

Our figures will adjust with inflation, as they always have, that's different to overpaying.

[3 Stacks]

Whats in it for Gravenberch to even come here. He isnt happy hes not playing at Bayern, so hes gonna sign for the club that just spent on two number 8s and that has other young midfielders they want to develop in Bajcetic, Jones and Elliott?

 

There are zero parts of this that makes sense. Even if he is good, which we cant be sure he actually is. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

6 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Our figures will adjust with inflation, as they always have, that's different to overpaying.

We were prepared to go to 60 million for Lavia after pissing about at 40 million because of our strict valuation. It doesn't feel like there's any smart play going on. We take huge risks on a season worth of football not having the numbers another year of Klopp used up and a year of our lives by holding on tight to our valuations than we take risks with just doing what we have to, to get to the point each window should only be a top up of quality. This is a rebuild window we haven't done enough. Next season it will be midfield and defence multiple players.

 

It's hard to set a tone in a post, this shit doesn't play on my mind I don't get exasperated by it or even think about it much outside of the forum but my opinion is still the club doesnt do enough to its own detriment.

[an tha]

What kind of transfer strategy sees a club bid 111m for a young DM one week then a week or so later see that club buy an ageing one for 15m and that be the end of their business in the position?

 

It makes no sense...

[Anubis]

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