Homelessness

[Remmie]

I never have change any more post covid, everything is on the card. I imagine im not the only one. I bet that makes things 10 times worse for some. 

 

Still, they "choose this lifestyle". 

 

Absolute cunt of an expression 

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

7 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Claim the money and then give it to the homeless person. Maybe if that money went towards building more social housing it would alleviate some of the problem.

Then they go out again and sleep rough. You rearrest them and you are both up by 10 shillings. Private enterprise. 

 

To be serious, there's a great deal of housing,  just the lack of specialist services to help people with complex needs maintain tenancies.

[Arniepie]

30 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I know a big public Palace in London that would house several hundred people at least. It belongs to the state and is currently occupied by a family of unemployed Anglo Germans.

I wonder how many homeless have been put into thise oligarchs mansions so far?

[Anubis]

How the hell have successive governments allowed us to get here? We’re absolutely desperate for affordable social housing - it’s not just families - it’s one bedroom properties for single people as well. The government are doing fuck all, and Labour are talking about building 200,000 properties to sell, not rent, to working families. It’s nuts. It’s like nobody wants to actually face up to it.

 

 

[Section_31]

The housing situation is a joke. Every time they say 'we need more affordable housing' they give land to big developers to build new build estates. 

 

They're required by law to make 10-20% of each estate 'affordable' but that equates to a price of 250k. They're also getting better at getting around it.

 

One of the things which 'austerity' achieved is that it left councils completely outgunned by private companies in the expertise department. If you go to a planning meeting now there'll be a planning guy for the council who's aged 20 years in the last six months, and the opposite side will have a load of smartly dressed consultants - many of whom who've been poached from said council. 

 

What you get as a result is yet another new build estate no locals can afford and usually  thrown up in a hurry, and no corresponding infrastructure like roads, schools and GP surgeries. 

 

This was what austerity was really all about, destroying the state and putting the private sector on the front foot (same thing happened with a lot of care homes, many of which have had to be brought back under council control as they'd been plundered).

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Interesting article arguing that the problem isn't a shortage of houses or flats: the problem is landlordism.  Rent controls and municipalisation may be the solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/19/end-of-landlords-surprisingly-simple-solution-to-uk-housing-crisis

 

[Captain Willard]

I was briefly homeless in my 20s. 30 years later I still worry about it happening again. It scars you for life. 

[Poor Scouser T]

When I left her majesties hotel I had disowned everything, homes cars money etc just so the wife and kids did not get stung.

I was offered everything, flat, furnishings even down to cutlery. Not denying homelessness as massive problem but if a minor remand bod can be offered that assistance then surely serious cases are helped. Suspect it is more to do with dependence issues than help available.

[Jennings]

Poor Scouser Tory.

[Poor Scouser T]

1 minute ago, Jennings said:

Poor Scouser Tory.

What?

[Poor Scouser T]

Want me to lie? I was fighting off 'doogooders' and the help seemed endless. Maybe that is just me as someone who has never been given fuck all.

I had a year of social worker meetings which mainly consisted of box ticking but was flagged because I did not take all of the free stuff they were offering. Food, Broadband, tablets, etc.

[A Red]

Ok, lets see how this goes down.

 

As a society we treat people that sleep rough or forever in and out of homelessness due to addiction or mental health, as the same as people that function normally. In other words they get the same human rights. I would contend that they should be forced to go into mental health/addiction facilities and given full treatment and rehabilitation before going into halfway hostels before being let loose into society again. Whilst being mentored and supported.

 

We don't give such people the tools to be able to cope with life as best they can, they just live a life of misery ending up in premature death, disowned and unwanted.

[Gnasher]

Depending on the council and the time spent inside upon leaving prison you are given appropriately £88 and should then be able to claim one months universal credit. The prison governor can allow extra money for emergency short term accommodation. After going to probation and the council they are normally put in temporary accommodation or a hostel if they have nowhere suitable to stay. Many prison leavers are reluctant to stay in hostels as these places are often plagued by violence and drug abuse. Which is the lifestyle many have pledged to themselves to stay away from. 

 

Although if this goes through (it's apparently not an April fools joke) those being released will be straight back inside. 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-told-abandon-heartless-32485855

 

Although as the prisons are full I've no idea where the little fella thinks they'll go. It'll also put an extra burden on our probation/police services. Another idiotic idea from an idiotic government. Every prison, police station, courthouse would need giant revolving doors installed to cope with the increased amount of comings and goings. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/oct/12/england-and-wales-judges-told-not-to-jail-criminals-because-prisons-full-report

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, A Red said:

Ok, lets see how this goes down.

 

As a society we treat people that sleep rough or forever in and out of homelessness due to addiction or mental health, as the same as people that function normally. In other words they get the same human rights. I would contend that they should be forced to go into mental health/addiction facilities and given full treatment and rehabilitation before going into halfway hostels before being let loose into society again. Whilst being mentored and supported.

 

We don't give such people the tools to be able to cope with life as best they can, they just live a life of misery ending up in premature death, disowned and unwanted.

 

I don't think we'd have the resources for the type of scheme I think you are suggesting. Most prison leavers or people on licence/probation have to undergo regular drug tests and if they fail that drug test it can be marked as a 'breach of licence' which could mean a recall to prison. 

[Gnasher]

Another point is we successfully cleared the streets of homeless people during the pandemic. Probably because the government thought they'd be Covid spreaders if left to roam our high streets and hang around train and bus stations approaching people for spare change. 

 

 

Link on the problems finding the right accommodation when leaving prison. 

 

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/media/press-releases/2020/07/accommodationthematic/

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

55 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Depending on the council and the time spent inside upon leaving prison you are given appropriately £88 and should then be able to claim one months universal credit. The prison governor can allow extra money for emergency short term accommodation. After going to probation and the council they are normally put in temporary accommodation or a hostel if they have nowhere suitable to stay. Many prison leavers are reluctant to stay in hostels as these places are often plagued by violence and drug abuse. Which is the lifestyle many have pledged to themselves to stay away from. 

 

Although if this goes through (it's apparently not an April fools joke) those being released will be straight back inside. 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-told-abandon-heartless-32485855

 

Although as the prisons are full I've no idea where the little fella thinks they'll go. It'll also put an extra burden on our probation/police services. Another idiotic idea from an idiotic government. Every prison, police station, courthouse would need giant revolving doors installed to cope with the increased amount of comings and goings. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/oct/12/england-and-wales-judges-told-not-to-jail-criminals-because-prisons-full-report

 

 

 

 

You get wages in the nick depending upon what you do while in. Even if you do nothing you get a few quid a week 10 - 20 quid. Most spend it on shit but if you spent nothing and are released you may end up with a few 100 quid.

You can get an advance on universal credit ( 1 months worth) which again will total several hundred quid. If you are determined i doubt you would leave prison to sleep rough, there are enough agencies desperate to justify their existence trying to help.

[Bjornebye]

Liverpool has a good few places for homeless to stay but the rule is no ale or drugs and if you get caught you’re out. I know if I lived on the street I’d want to be out my mind constantly so it’s a vicious circle. 
 

I walked down Church St last week and tents were still just up at midday. It’s heartbreaking but for some it’s a way of life because they won’t help themselves. The problem is they can’t because they’re hooked. 
 

Still, always good to see billions spent on Tory donors and their jarg PPI etc 

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

You get wages in the nick depending upon what you do while in. Even if you do nothing you get a few quid a week 10 - 20 quid. Most spend it on shit but if you spent nothing and are released you may end up with a few 100 quid.

You can get an advance on universal credit ( 1 months worth) which again will total several hundred quid. If you are determined i doubt you would leave prison to sleep rough, there are enough agencies desperate to justify their existence trying to help.

 

Yes true. I think a lot of prisoners save some money sent in off family and money earned inside (by whatever means) to add to their release money. 

[A Red]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

I don't think we'd have the resources for the type of scheme I think you are suggesting. Most prison leavers or people on licence/probation have to undergo regular drug tests and if they fail that drug test it can be marked as a 'breach of licence' which could mean a recall to prison. 

I think the resources could be found. It costs £520 a week to house some of the homeless in hotels/caravan park round here, plus their benefits. Not sure how much but it costs quite a lot to imprison people. Then there is the unseen savings in reduction of crime, NHS etc. Obviously there is the money governments squander.

 

The emphasis must be on making the mentally ill and addicts able to function in society. They cant do it on their own, it must be compulsory.

 

I've just started to watch a documentary called the Gypsy Billionaire, I'm only a bit of a way through it but he talks about solving the lack of affordable homes with Caravan/static home parks.  It will be interesting to see how that works, its always been something I wondered about.

 

[Poor Scouser T]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

Yes true. I think a lot of prisoners save some money sent in off family and money earned inside (by whatever means) to add to their release money. 

Most and I mean about 90% are addicts of some sort so spend everything they can on stuff. It was spice where I was. Can't remember exactly but on remand you cant do a 'proper' job so money is tight. This is when the weak get into shit with debt and the like with the nasty mob.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Poor Scouser T said:

When I left her majesties hotel I had disowned everything, homes cars money etc just so the wife and kids did not get stung.

I was offered everything, flat, furnishings even down to cutlery. Not denying homelessness as massive problem but if a minor remand bod can be offered that assistance then surely serious cases are helped. Suspect it is more to do with dependence issues than help available.

What year was this?

[Poor Scouser T]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What year was this?

Not sure mate around 8 years or so ago.

[Poor Scouser T]

One thing to be be taken on board is that don't think prison is  something that doesn't concern you. I had never been in trouble ever in my life. Cops are OK no problem. Get pissed big Burt Reynolds carry on and I'm in jail. Beware.

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, A Red said:

I think the resources could be found. It costs £520 a week to house some of the homeless in hotels/caravan park round here, plus their benefits. Not sure how much but it costs quite a lot to imprison people. Then there is the unseen savings in reduction of crime, NHS etc. Obviously there is the money governments squander.

 

The emphasis must be on making the mentally ill and addicts able to function in society. They cant do it on their own, it must be compulsory.

 

I've just started to watch a documentary called the Gypsy Billionaire, I'm only a bit of a way through it but he talks about solving the lack of affordable homes with Caravan/static home parks.  It will be interesting to see how that works, its always been something I wondered about.

 

 

I take your point on funds. I think the cost of imprisoning one prisoner is approx 4 grand a week. Its an awful lot of money. The problem is governments do not seem to think the savings made on one sector could be used on another. It just gets swallowed up or not given the green light in the first place. 

 

I think they're already turning the big containers I think you're talking about into places to stay outside hostels in Cardiff. From what I've been told it's been quite successful thus far. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Not sure mate around 8 years or so ago.

It's just that my nephew got out of prison last year and was given fuck all assistance with anything.