Russia v Ukraine

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

I just want this to end.

Are you sure it will end with Ukraine? Are you confident he won't target a NATO country such as Lithuania next. Or invade Finland and Sweden to prevent them joining the alliance?

 

If you are confident that won't happen, why? 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

Are you confident he won't target a NATO country such as Lithuania next. Or invade Finland and Sweden to prevent them joining the alliance?

 

I think RP is sure that he would never do this.

 

If however, CNN or god forbid, Joe Biden, says it will happen a couple times - that would go along way to convince him he would. Cuz at that point Putin really doesn't have a choice.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A hypocritical human egg says what? 

[Red Shift]

On 26/02/2022 at 06:19, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[mattyq]

 

[M_B]

 

 

[Red Shift]

*Putin, President Macron of France and Chancellor Strolz of Germany  (as with Merkel before him) in recent years and weeks did their best to find pathways through the growing confrontation,  but in the end they could not halt the determination of Washington and Kiev foolishly to provoke  the Russian bear. Over months, Putin had warned the West to step backwards from the militarisation  of Ukraine, and to work with Russia towards a wider European settlement, reversing  NATO’s dangerous expansion towards Russia’s borders since 1996.*
 

https://johnmenadue.com/ukraine-shrinks-again/

[Numero Veinticinco]

12 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

 

You won’t read it because it’s surely untrue? He won 73% of the vote, with a margins of 9 million votes. Only 17% of Ukraine are ethnic Russian. I’m not a mathematician, but… 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just now, M_B said:

 

Strong beard game. 

[M_B]

 

[Red Shift]

6 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

You won’t read it because it’s surely untrue? He won 73% of the vote, with a margins of 9 million votes. Only 17% of Ukraine are ethnic Russian. I’m not a mathematician, but… 

50% plus of Ukrainians who share Russian native language and culture.

 

https://johnmenadue.com/ukraine-shrinks-again/

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

50% plus of Ukrainians who share Russian native language and culture.

 

https://johnmenadue.com/ukraine-shrinks-again/

Ethnic Russians he said, not speaking a language. 

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

You won’t read it because it’s surely untrue? He won 73% of the vote, with a margins of 9 million votes. Only 17% of Ukraine are ethnic Russian. I’m not a mathematician, but… 

Imagine John Pilger writing, as US paratroopers are landing in Caracas and all over Venezuela, how they were repeatedly warned not to deal with Russians and Chinese but they still rejected the offer and poked the bald eagle or whatever and they are now rejecting the offer of peace talks in which they need to denationalize American business interests and repel all other similar moves and there is no mention of immediate end to aggression and Americans withdrawing.   

[Section_31]

He's gone a bit bonkers Pilger. He laments guardian journalists not telling it like he thinks they should, but keeps shtum when entire buildings of journalists in Hong Kong are placed under lock and key.

 

Rabid anti Westernism is some kind of mental illness. The concerns and anger often contains a kernel of truth but then spins totally out of control until the west gets the blame for everything.

[Red Shift]

6 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Ethnic Russians he said, not speaking a language. 

The first part of the tweet is the important bit. Pilger probably coloured the tweet with a personal touch. That doesn’t make the point re: Putin offering a reasonable solution invalid.

[A Red]

Putin is 5ft 7, Hitler 5ft 8 and Napoleon 5ft 6. Little lads, you just cant trust them. 

[dockers_strike]

Pilger pilger's himself.

[Red Shift]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

He's gone a bit bonkers Pilger. He laments guardian journalists not telling it like he thinks they should, but keeps shtum when entire buildings of journalists in Hong Kong are placed under lock and key.

 

Rabid anti Westernism is some kind of mental illness. The concerns and anger often contains a kernel of truth but then spins totally out of control until the west gets the blame for everything.

Putting aside that sweeping generalisation for a moment, in this particular conflict, The Washington Fools played a dangerous game and lost.

 

*As usual, the West cherry-picked, they prevaricated, and– the  biggest Western blunder  of all– Washington’s Biden supplied powerful city-destroying heavy weapons to the ill-disciplined  and Nazi-infected Ukrainian army. The temptation to start using them was irresistible.

We saw  from 17 Feb onwards a determined, very  threatening, but foolish attempt by Kiev’s  armed forces along the line of contact, including the notorious  Azov Battalion, to advance into and occupy Donbass  even under the noses  of the 130,000 Russian troops waiting for orders in  nearby Russia. The Ukrainian government of President Zelensky  and his American advisers like Victoria  Nuland had convinced themselves that Putin would not now dare to invade Ukraine after all the Western warnings of wider retribution.  How wrong they were : right that he would not try to occupy Kiev, but wrong  that he would let Donbass  fall, creating unacceptable high risks of brutal ethnic cleansing  of up to 4 million Russian Ukrainians  forced to flee Donbass  into Russia. And what a political humiliation this would have been for Putin.

By 18 Feb it was already clear from Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe   reporting that a sharp escalation in Kiev’s shelling  of Donbass was taking place. Donetsk suburbs were  being shelled. A Ukrainian special forces commando raid into neighbouring Rostov province in Russia  was discovered  and neutralised.  The Donbass leaders wisely ordered evacuations, not to leave civilian hostages  in place  in cities at imminent risk of carpet-bombing, if they did  not surrender. Aleppo was the stark example of what could have happened.

Now Russia has given the green light to Donbass independence, protected by Russian military might, as was the case in Crimea.*

 

https://johnmenadue.com/ukraine-shrinks-again/

 

 

[Pureblood]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

He's gone a bit bonkers Pilger. He laments guardian journalists not telling it like he thinks they should, but keeps shtum when entire buildings of journalists in Hong Kong are placed under lock and key.

 

Rabid anti Westernism is some kind of mental illness. The concerns and anger often contains a kernel of truth but then spins totally out of control until the west gets the blame for everything.

Classic mental health slurs because he holds a different view.  Excellent. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Classic mental health slurs because he holds a different view.  Excellent. 

Views being different doesn't make them any more valid or any less bonkers. 

 

7 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

The first part of the tweet is the important bit. Pilger probably coloured the tweet with a personal touch. That doesn’t make the point re: Putin offering a reasonable solution invalid.

Ah, thanks for clarifying what you were quoting it for. Okay, I think it's hard to know what's real on that one. 

[Dave D]

Western propaganda suggest Putin is failing. Im sure RT news says different. 

 

The big thing here for me is unlike the nazis, there is no ongoing conquests or more importantly, no death camps.

 

Essentially Putin hopes to overthrow a few parliament buildings and convince the large population to just lay down and take it. 

 

Dont think thats going to happen- which leaves him in a lose lose scenario.

 

Stupid bastard thinks its 1974

 

 

 

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Views being different doesn't make them any more valid or any less bonkers. 

It's a perfectly valid point of view, backed up with logic, chronology of events and rationale and one that's shared by a growing number of people.  The very opposite of "bonkers".  You'd do well to listen to it and appraise yourself of it properly, instead of being so blithely dismissive.  

[Red Phoenix]

I'm trying not to get drawn into arguments about what Russia will or won't do. At the end of the day I want Russia out of Ukraine like everyone else. We've seen how this turns out each time I try explaining what I think and any mention of NATO being a factor starts off drama so I'm just watching what's happening and hoping it ends with the least lives lost possible, and as soon as possible.

[Arniepie]

37 minutes ago, Nelly-Fauci said:

I'm sute that will be widely reported here.