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31 minutes ago, an tha said:

"Very clever play" according to BBC site at time.....

 

Ratboy said "clever play"  about 12 times.

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2 minutes ago, Em City said:

 

Ratboy said "clever play"  about 12 times.

Not watching match of the day but will be interesting to hear what they say about it.

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Didn't shearer say that mane was a disgrace for diving against villa where there was evidence of contact and he got booked! I wonder what he has to say about that decision. If you asked somebody who didn't know what the decision was to look at it and give their opinion, they'd say it was a yellow card for Fernandes and a free out.

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18 pens for united this season! Yeah, you can go on a 17 game unbeaten run when refs and VAR are fucking handing them to you on a silver platter not to mention when your own player commits the foul. Even Schmichel said the decision was a joke apparently.

 

Still, let them think solskjaer has cracked it and will lead them to the title next season. They'll be kicking off about him when they're out of the race come Christmas.

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Consistency - it really is all you can ask for:

 

Incorrect penalty decisions were made by the video assistant referee in all three of Thursday's games, the Premier League has told BBC Match of the Day.

Bruno Fernandes won a spot-kick which he scored in Manchester United's 3-0 win over Aston Villa.

James Ward-Prowse hit the bar after a disputed penalty as Southampton drew 1-1 with Everton.

And Tottenham should have had a penalty for a Joshua King shove on Harry Kane in a 0-0 draw with Bournemouth.

The Premier League confirmed United and Southampton should not have been given penalties, but Tottenham should have been awarded one.

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25 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Not my fault, guv.

 

 

 

I sink 5G and lizard people don’t want Tottenham to get 8th place. I sink agenda. 

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United look good. If they buy well and where they need they could be a threat. A couple of years ago we went from 30 odd points 4th place to second 1 point behind city. I know people will say yeah but "Ole" but they have good players and will act as a battering Ram to most the league's sides. Greenwood looks to be a special talent their whole forward line is singing at the minute. Rat features Bruno looks to be a hell of a signing a real catalyst for them.

 

Cunts. We need a couple of signings a real shot in the arm no to out do United but to push ourselves.

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10 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Only just seen it, and that was a diabolical penalty decision. What part of it was a foul by the defender? Contrast that with the one Kane didn't get earlier.

Apparently the ball fouled Bruno Fernandes - VAR confirmed it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This may or may not be true but it's the only reasonable explanation I can see. 

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If the Premier League are saying the decisions were wrong, that should mean the referees involved would have action taken against them. Right? 

 

In the longer term, maybe it's a good thing Jon Moss has been called out. 

 

On Mourinho, apparently 'technical problems' forced him to leave the post match interview. When asked if he could hear the interviewer, he replied 'No' and took the earphones off. Interesting that he heard the question. Mind reader? 

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9 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

If the Premier League are saying the decisions were wrong, that should mean the referees involved would have action taken against them. Right? 

 

 

3 on field refs and 3 in the VAR room. There will none for the weekend. Null and void may get their way yet.

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I said from the start that for VAR to work it needed to be implemented with outside technicians , whether foreign refs or persons trained specifically for that role, as the present refs will always disappear up their own arsehole to shield their mates from having to admit a mistake.

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You can’t trust refs in this country (apart from Sian) on the field fuck know why anyone could think they’d get it right hidden miles away in some building looking at monitors.

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11 minutes ago, J-V said:

You can’t trust refs in this country (apart from Sian) on the field fuck know why anyone could think they’d get it right hidden miles away in some building looking at monitors.

Their first thought is how can I validate my mate's decision so he wont turn one of mine over next time.

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PGMOL and Riley have created a culture where the refs live in a bubble in which they are all brilliant, consistent and effective at their job. They are answerable to no-one, and any criticism of them by players and coaches is met with a harsh rebuke and a financial penalty.

 

People criticise VAR but while the system is not foolproof, the real problem lies with those entrusted to apply it. If the ref on the pitch misjudges an incident because it happened so quickly, you can accept that because it's not always easy to see things in real time. However, when they are being discouraged from using pitchside monitors which are there to help them, and when the man in the VAR booth is still getting decisions wrong despite having the benefit of multiple replays, it's no wonder so many people want VAR to be binned.

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No transparency. No accountability. Lots of incompetence. Some clear bias.  Lots of back covering of their mates. The technology is not perfect but works just fine most of the time. The problem is with the users. 

 

Cahill and Dublin on MotD were talking about having ex-pros in the VAR room, which makes sense. However you only need to have played a bit of footy at amateur level, which probably most of us on here have done, to have an appreciation of what these players are up to and when they're conning the refs. It's crystal clear that none of the current refs have played any footy based on the number of times they woefully misinterpret situations.

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2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

United look good. If they buy well and where they need they could be a threat. A couple of years ago we went from 30 odd points 4th place to second 1 point behind city. I know people will say yeah but "Ole" but they have good players and will act as a battering Ram to most the league's sides. Greenwood looks to be a special talent their whole forward line is singing at the minute. Rat features Bruno looks to be a hell of a signing a real catalyst for them.

 

Cunts. We need a couple of signings a real shot in the arm no to out do United but to push ourselves.

Agree with this. I don't think they win a league next season, but credit to them they are smashing teams, albeit shit ones. I much rather them being the comedy act they were a few months ago than what they are now.

 

They have goals galore in their team against 70 percent of the teams in the league. That makes them dangerous. I find it hard to fear Martial and Pogba because they are self serving shithouses that could fuck off at the drop of a hat. Rashford is a really good player and Greenwood is bloody outstanding. Fernandes is really really good and is the player they have lacked for years. 

 

Right now they remind me of us in 2014. I think that doesn't beat us or City to a title, but if we get an injury crisis and have a 10-12 point drop off and City are in the shit with not being able to sign any world class players, then who knows thet could be a real threat.

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28 minutes ago, Trumo said:

PGMOL and Riley have created a culture where the refs live in a bubble in which they are all brilliant, consistent and effective at their job. They are answerable to no-one, and any criticism of them by players and coaches is met with a harsh rebuke and a financial penalty.

 

People criticise VAR but while the system is not foolproof, the real problem lies with those entrusted to apply it. If the ref on the pitch misjudges an incident because it happened so quickly, you can accept that because it's not always easy to see things in real time. However, when they are being discouraged from using pitchside monitors which are there to help them, and when the man in the VAR booth is still getting decisions wrong despite having the benefit of multiple replays, it's no wonder so many people want VAR to be binned.

The wording around "clear and obvious error" I think needs to change as well. At the minute you've got referees in the VAR room who don't want to overrule their colleagues on the field because in doing so, they're specifying that they've made a clear and obvious error - which sounds pretty damning (like it's a massive fuck up), and as it could easily enough be them on the receiving end the next week they don't like publicly embarrassing each other like that. At the same time the "clear and obvious error" creates a nice line in ambiguity which allows them not to get involved - so last night's farce can be explained away with a "yes it probably isn't a penalty but I can't say for absolute certain that it definitely, definitely isn't, so there's not quite enough evidence to call out my colleague as having made a clear and obvious error. A minor error at most, but not a clear and obvious one." Endless cycle of non-accountability.

 

Change the wording around what can and cannot be challenged to make a decision reversal less emphatic, and have specialist VAR officials who don't have to worry about VAR making them look like a tit on the field next week.

 

And in an ideal world, if the technology allows it (I'm no expert, this is just a thought), set the VAR room up so that the officials don't know the score or general match situation, and show them some sort of anonymised decision footage where they can't see faces or kits (as I say, know idea if this is even remotely feasible!). It'd add to their credibility if fans thought that they were making decisions in a completely neutral environment without any bias - conscious or unconscious - having even the slightest impact on their decision-making.

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