Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Vincent Vega]

11 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I am not sure about that. She's said the fall back position is letting parliament decide. I think (perhaps hoping), she knows that ship has already sailed. and her withdrawl agreement will not change under her offer as i understand it, just the political declaration. this is a no lose for her. if they get an agreement and it goes through and is succesful, she will be seen/remembered as the prime minisiter who stood up to the ERG and got the deal over the line  and compromised in the national interest. if it goes to shit, she's gone anyway and the deal has corbyn's fingerprints all over it. 

 

Just seen this from the Guardian's live feed:

 

22m ago10:31

After yesterday’s cabinet, for a brief moment people thought Penny Mordaunt, the Brexiter international development secretary, might have resigned. But she hadn’t, and this morning, speaking to reporters outside her home, she said she still hoped the PM’s deal would be passed with Tory and DUP voters. She said:

The only way to leave is with the withdrawal agreement. The prime minister is trying to get it through on Conservative votes and has not been able to, she’s now trying to do it with Labour votes.

I would say to colleagues who want a truer Brexit, I still hope we can do this with Conservative and DUP votes.

But above all else, the public are fed-up of the limbo and business needs certainty.

That implies she thinks the prospect of a softer Brexit might persuade Tory Brexiters and DUP MPs who have opposed to deal until now to change their minds.

 

One problem with this strategy is that the DUP are more opposed to the backstop than they are to the idea of a soft Brexit.

[No2]

Can someone clarify what difference, if any, a resignation makes to anything? I'm confused by this, in normal circumstances it's a big deal but in the current climate does anyone give a fuck or does it have a meaningful affect on anything?

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

 

Just seen this from the Guardian's live feed:

 

22m ago10:31

After yesterday’s cabinet, for a brief moment people thought Penny Mordaunt, the Brexiter international development secretary, might have resigned. But she hadn’t, and this morning, speaking to reporters outside her home, she said she still hoped the PM’s deal would be passed with Tory and DUP voters. She said:

The only way to leave is with the withdrawal agreement. The prime minister is trying to get it through on Conservative votes and has not been able to, she’s now trying to do it with Labour votes.

I would say to colleagues who want a truer Brexit, I still hope we can do this with Conservative and DUP votes.

But above all else, the public are fed-up of the limbo and business needs certainty.

That implies she thinks the prospect of a softer Brexit might persuade Tory Brexiters and DUP MPs who have opposed to deal until now to change their minds.

 

One problem with this strategy is that the DUP are more opposed to the backstop than they are to the idea of a soft Brexit.

I thought the DUP were holding out for a bigger backhander 

[Jenson]

The DUP are never voting for the WA as long as the backstop is part of it. Question is if there are enough wobbly ERGers to get it over the line.

Corbyn needs to be very careful here. If May won't budge on the WA he should walk imo and put out some kind of joint statement with Sturgeon and Drakeford to emphasise that May's offer of compromise is a sham.

Anything added to the political declaration won't be worth the paper it's written on once May goes and someone like Johnson takes over.

[M_B]

The problem is the EU won't negotiate the WA. The only thing that can be changed is the Political Declaration.

[magicrat]

8 minutes ago, M_B said:

The problem is the EU won't negotiate the WA. The only thing that can be changed is the Political Declaration.

I'm pretty sure the EU would agree a confirmatory vote vs remain tagged onto the WA

[Captain Turdseye]

[magicrat]

The fucking cheek of this cunt.  He's up against the same wall as Mogg and Johnson come the revolution . 5 minutes alone with him and a 5 iron isn't too much to ask is it ?

 

'Appalled' by Brexit talks with Corbyn

Conservative MP Iain Duncan Smith says Theresa May's talks with Jeremy Corbyn "legitimise a Marxist whose sole purpose in life is to do real damage to the country".

[Jenson]

Iain Duncan Smith is an absolute fucking twat of the highest order. Easily my most hated Tory amongst some of the fiercest competition in history.

[Anubis]

 

 

I’m sure the population of NI were thrilled to hear this. Leadsom is an idiot.

 

[magicrat]

Leadsom really is a thick repulsive bint.

[Bobby Hundreds]

The fucking balls on IDS. A man who has done nothing but destroy peoples lives the sadistic leeching little shit. How much money did that fucker waste how much has he claimed in EU farming subsidies.  He's a fucking poobag.

[Marko121]

They are all fucking horrible but that Leadsom twat takes the biscuit. I hope she never gets in. Horrible, horrible cunt. 

 

Society is is so selfish nowadays. Tories have succeeded in putting people’s brains and morals in their pockets and all the general public ever think about is protecting what is “mine”

 

[Anubis]

EU ramping up the pressure? Tweeted this 10 mins ago.

 

 

 

[Anubis]

 

 

[Strontium]

Labour has confirmed it wants to end freedom of movement.

 

https://labourlist.org/2019/04/labour-confirms-it-wants-to-end-freedom-of-movement/

[skend04]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Labour has confirmed it wants to end freedom of movement.

 

https://labourlist.org/2019/04/labour-confirms-it-wants-to-end-freedom-of-movement/

An utter fucking disgrace. Brexiteers love to shout out "EUSSR" but there's only one parliament that's stripping rights and placing restrictions on its citizens like some mad communist state.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

They confirmed it ages ago. Nothing new here. 

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, skend04 said:

An utter fucking disgrace. Brexiteers love to shout out "EUSSR" but there's only one parliament that's stripping rights and placing restrictions on its citizens like some mad communist state.

 

It's just a natural progression. First we have socialism, then we turn into good old commies for a bit, then we take the final step of Corbyn's allotment anarchism. At that point we'll refuse to recognise any borders and free movement will return.

 

I'm more bothered about our bananas. I don't want the EU messing with them and leaving will make sure that's sorted.

[Anubis]

Benn’s amendment to put indicative votes on the business schedule defeated. It was tied 310-310 and Bercow used casting vote for the ‘noes’ in accordance with precedent.

 

On to voting about the Letwin/Cooper Bill.

 

 

Quote

 

My recollection - and I’ve been saying this for years across the country to audiences, so I hope it’s right - is that the last occasion on which the speaker had to exercise a casting vote was in 1993, and I believe it was appertaining to the Maastricht Treaty bill ... I think it was on an amendment relating to the social chapter, and it was an amendment in the name of the then leader of the opposition [John Smith] and Speaker Boothroyd cast her vote in the way that she did, against that amendment. And the rationale ... for the exercise of the casting vote is that it is not for the chair to create a majority that doesn’t otherwise exist. 

 

The way in which the casting vote is exercised does also depend upon the stage at which the matter is being aired. So, for example, it would be exercised differently on the second reading of a bill, where there is an important principle of encouraging further debate ... but if it’s the final stage of a bill, the casting vote would be against.

 

In a situation in which a decision would be made that a day would be allocated for particular business [ie, the Benn amendment], I judge that it is not right for me to make that decision if the house hasn’t by a clear majority done so.

 

 

[M_B]

Passed by 1 vote!

[Anubis]

Cooper/Letwin bill on the menu. 312-311. Skin of its teeth.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Cooper/Letwin bill on the menu. 312-311. Skin of its teeth.

Skin of the Speaker's teeth!

 

EDIT: Read the fucking post, NV. Twat.

[Numero Veinticinco]

"We could be looking at a Tory split, we could be looking at the end on Tory Party," says Spectator editor Fraser Nelson. He says if Theresa May does a deal with Jeremy Corbyn there will be many more resignations.

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

"We could be looking at a Tory split, we could be looking at the end on Tory Party," says Spectator editor Fraser Nelson. He says if Theresa May does a deal with Jeremy Corbyn there will be many more resignations.

 

David Cameron's grand plan to prevent a Tory split going well, then.