Penalties - Decisions - This season

[Bob]

Now, I dont want to sound bitter, so let me start by saying I don't think we should have had a pen yesterday as i think it was handball, but just outside the box in my opinion.

 

But having said that, it seems to me we've had a much rougher time of penalty decisions this season than most. Not just the ones not givem, but the ones given against too.

 

So as an exercise, I thought i'd try to compile a list of the big penalty decisions that have gone for and against us this season, just to see if it actually balances out.

 

the problem is, my memory is shite (especially about the ones that are in our favour, surprisingly), so if we all put our noggins together, a really comprehensive list can be put together just to see, for the sake of science, where we stand.

 

Here's my starting list for 10;

 

Decisions in our favour: (bold means wrong decision)

 

Penalty against Spurs (away)

Penalty against spurs (home)

Penalty against Birmingham (home)

No penalty for foul on crouch (home)

 

Decisions against us: (again, bold means wrong)

 

No penalty for foul on gerrard against arse (home)

Penalty given to reading (home)

No penalty for assault on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for pull on Lucas against Stoke (away)

 

 

as i say, my memory is shite, so there are loads more that i have forgotten, can you guys help me put the list together just for the purposes of science?

[.net]

You missed Kuyts against Villa were Dunne did him.

[pr1tpal]

Not a penalty, but that bastard beachball has to be in there somewhere

[The Golden Eel]

The one at home to Arse and the Lucas one against Stoke - i still can't believe those weren't given...

 

The Defoe thing against Spurs at home might have gone in our favour, not a penalty though.

[Kurt]

Now, I dont want to sound bitter, so let me start by saying I don't think we should have had a pen yesterday as i think it was handball, but just outside the box in my opinion.

 

But having said that, it seems to me we've had a much rougher time of penalty decisions this season than most. Not just the ones not givem, but the ones given against too.

 

So as an exercise, I thought i'd try to compile a list of the big penalty decisions that have gone for and against us this season, just to see if it actually balances out.

 

the problem is, my memory is shite (especially about the ones that are in our favour, surprisingly), so if we all put our noggins together, a really comprehensive list can be put together just to see, for the sake of science, where we stand.

 

Here's my starting list for 10;

 

Decisions in our favour: (bold means wrong decision)

 

Penalty against Spurs (away)

Penalty against spurs (home)

Penalty against Birmingham (home)

No penalty for foul on crouch (home)

 

Decisions against us: (again, bold means wrong)

 

No penalty for foul on gerrard against arse (home)

Penalty given to reading (home)

No penalty for assault on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for pull on Lucas against Stoke (away)

 

 

as i say, my memory is shite, so there are loads more that i have forgotten, can you guys help me put the list together just for the purposes of science?

 

We were denied two penalties in the last 5 minutes against Spurs in the opening match. The handball was 50/50, sometimes given, sometimes not. But Ekotto`s tackle on Voronin was as clear as stonewall penalties can get.

 

Was`nt we denied a pen against Arsenal in the league cup as well? I seem to remember a handball from the Aquilani overhead kick in the last minutes...

 

If decisions like this evens out over a season, we are due som serious luck with referees the coming months.

 

Also, N`gog dive against Birmingham was a decision in our favour.

[zigackly]

If it's a handball it's a penalty. Foot was on the line.

[El Rojo]

As bad as we've played, we've had some wretched luck and some disgraceful refereeing decision against us this season.

 

Maybe we should look at how United, Chelsea and Arsenal consistently crowd the ref at every available opportunity. I've only really seen us doing it against United and the Bitters this season. Hardly the most sporting of activities, but we need to get as dirty as our rivals in this regard.

[Bob]

If it's a handball it's a penalty. Foot was on the line.

 

I heard gray say that, but wasnt sure it was right. To me, if a goalie was on the line and was still holding the ball across the line, I'd say it was a free kick for handball, so i applied the same logic to the pen.

 

but if you know the rules for defo, then it was a pen, because there is no doubt it was definately hand ball.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Part and parcel of the game, ref's will get things wrong time and again, it happens to every team. Don't see any point whatsoever in moaning about decisions, refereeing needs to be seriously looked at and untill it does it will just keep happening. That tit last night is supposedly the best ref in the league. He will be our example of the high standard we have in England when the World cup comes around, what a joke.

[zigackly]

EDIT: let me go check something. I'm not sure about the goalie with the ball outside example.

[Duncan Clench]

The Fabregas thing should've been a pen. Them's the rules.

 

Agger last night? Quite fortunate with that tackle on Bender. He didn't make contact and I don't think it was a pen but they're usually given.

[Ted]

Fabregas was outside the area.

[Scott_M]

The one at West Ham where the guy kicked the pen twice should have been disallowed.

[zigackly]

Ok, I can't find the UEFA referee guidelines online and I have limited time, but I did find the USSF guidelines which are very similar.

 

The relevant part is in section 14.1: "Referees are reminded that it is the location of the foul, not the position of the ball, which determines whether a penalty kick is the correct restart."

 

Foot on the line means that Fabregas is considered inside the area. It's where he is, not where the ball is that determines whether it is a penalty.

 

I don't have time to look up the goalie handling the ball now, maybe later.

[Ted]

I thought he looked just outside. That's not even the point as Webb should still be doing his job.

[zigackly]

Most of him was outside Ted, but his foot was on the line.

 

Doesn't matter anyway because Webb is constructed entirely of monkey jism.

[Bob]

So far...

 

Decisions in our favour: (bold means wrong decision)

 

Penalty against Spurs (away)

Penalty against spurs (home)

Penalty against Birmingham (home)

No penalty for foul on crouch (home)

defoe goal disallowed

 

Decisions against us: (again, bold means wrong)

 

No penalty for foul on gerrard against arse (home)

Penalty given to reading (home)

No penalty for assault on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for pull on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for fould on voronin vs spurs (away)

No penalty for foul on Kuyt vs Villa (away)

The fucking beachball vs Sunderland (away)

Diamante penalty kicked twice vs Wes Ham (away)

 

 

And then to Red Cards; 5 for, I can only think of the Wolves one against.

[AL66GOLF]

So far...

 

Decisions in our favour: (bold means wrong decision)

 

Penalty against Spurs (away)

Penalty against spurs (home)

Penalty against Birmingham (home)

No penalty for foul on crouch (home)

defoe goal disallowed

 

Decisions against us: (again, bold means wrong)

 

No penalty for foul on gerrard against arse (home)

Penalty given to reading (home)

No penalty for assault on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for pull on Lucas against Stoke (away)

No penalty for fould on voronin vs spurs (away)

No penalty for foul on Kuyt vs Villa (away)

The fucking beachball vs Sunderland (away)

Diamante penalty kicked twice vs Wes Ham (away)

 

 

And then to Red Cards; 5 for, I can only think of the Wolves one against.

 

Are you really saying that the reason we are in such a mess is because of a few penalty shouts going against us?

[Torvald Utne]

Even if he was outside the box he shouldn't have been as it was never 10 yards. In a fair and just world you combine the encroachment and handball and general fabregas cuntery into a penalty.

[Bob]

Are you really saying that the reason we are in such a mess is because of a few penalty shouts going against us?

 

Nope. And I think I made that fairly clear. This is purely in the interests of science man. Fucking Science.

 

I have to put on a white lab jacket every time I add to this thread. Now fuck off out of here, you are contaminating my experiment.

[Guest TK-421]

Are you really saying that the reason we are in such a mess is because of a few penalty shouts going against us?

 

I can't see any words from Bob to that effect.

[AL66GOLF]

Sorry Bob, I should have read all the thread first not just post #17.

Continue with your science..........................

[Bob]

Sorry Bob, I should have read all the thread first not just post #17.

Continue with your science..........................

 

thank you kindly.

 

I have a spare white lab jacket, two petri dishes and a pippette kicking about if you would like to add anything?

[AL66GOLF]

thank you kindly.

 

I have a spare white lab jacket, two petri dishes and a pippette kicking about if you would like to add anything?

 

I need a female assistant whose ample bosom is bulging out of her white jacket...................

[Bogman]

thank you kindly.

 

I have a spare white lab jacket, two petri dishes and a pippette kicking about if you would like to add anything?

 

If you have a spare smoking jacket, a flat cap, a pipe and carpet slippers and a whippet to boot, you may tempt me.