The Munich Air Disaster.

[reder]

Some gobshites were singing Shipman songs at City away this season. Sad thing was these guys were adults in their 30's and 40's, not silly little scallies!

[Rafaman]

Find Manchester United's behaviour a little hypocritical myself, especially when I've heard off a couple of arl fellas that the widows and families were evicted from the club houses only 12 months after the disaster.

[jamespp]

The Busby Babes are overrated. Because they died young they've been mythologised. It never ceases to amuse me when I hear a 15 year old cockney ManUre "fan" saying how Duncan Edwards was the greatest player ever. Deluded freaks.

 

well said, people who have seen a few highlights of Duncan Edwards say he's the best player ever

 

and the Busby Babes, just because players are promising when they are young dosnt mean anything, Gazza for example, had he died in 1990, people would say he would of been the greatest ever player

[Larry David]

The Busby Babes are overrated. Because they died young they've been mythologised. It never ceases to amuse me when I hear a 15 year old cockney ManUre "fan" saying how Duncan Edwards was the greatest player ever. Deluded freaks.

 

I want to agree with that and i am going to. I have lost count of the number of times i have heard them described as the best football team on the planet during that time. Ok they must have been a great side but the best team in world football? Sorry but no way Jose. The media have made them out to be technical wizards who all possessed complete mastery over the ball. I don't intend to be disrepectful in this post but the media just do my tits in over hyping everything these days. Why can't they just tell it like it is/was.

[Christian]

well said, people who have seen a few highlights of Duncan Edwards say he's the best player ever

 

and the Busby Babes, just because players are promising when they are young dosnt mean anything, Gazza for example, had he died in 1990, people would say he would of been the greatest ever player

 

I think for a few months Gazza WAS the best player in the world at that time.

I love Gazza the loon.

[Plewggs]

Find Manchester United's behaviour a little hypocritical myself, especially when I've heard off a couple of arl fellas that the widows and families were evicted from the club houses only 12 months after the disaster.

 

It’s such a moving moment in the history of Man U, the club have commemorated the tragedy by adoring the temporary memorial at Old Trafford with a sponsors logo.

Classy!

 

Still, Man U need to maintain the mawkish sentimentality of Munich to avoid losing fan-sympathy which they have milked for publicity and profit every since the accident occurred.

 

The anniversary is nothing more than a sponsors pay-day and cheap publicity for the MU brand. It’s not tragic, it’s shameful.

[aws]

Mancs tried to charge the BBC £5000 for permission to cover the memorial service.

[fivetimes]

Get on this. People wonder why they are disrespected. This is a disgrace.

 

Sorry but I have had to listen to their shite about every tragedy we have had - even when Paisley died etc - so there is no way I am going into national mass hysteria mourning when their own are doing this. Scumbags in the boardroom, scumbags in the stands.

 

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Man United chief exec David Gill says the club's debt is 'comfortable'. ' The banks are happy. What we have to do is harvest every opportunity.' Sure enough, among United's tributes to the Munich 58 victims - a new MUTV marketing campaign for the channel, featuring a one-day-free-to-view screening of the Munich memorial event (all other 'Munich week' content available to subscribers only); plus the logo-heavy Munich 58 poster outside Old Trafford, sponsored by AIG. '[The logo] is perfectly appropriate,' says a spokesman. 'AIG just want to remember that extraordinary team.' (Other new Munich 58 merchandise this week: a commemerative Munich 58 replica shirt (£49.99), and Munich 58 cashmere scarf (£49.99), featuring the old 'phoenix' badge, a registered trademark of Manchester City Council. 20% of the sale price goes to charity.)

[RedinSweden]

Get on this. People wonder why they are disrespected. This is a disgrace.

 

Sorry but I have had to listen to their shite about every tragedy we have had - even when Paisley died etc - so there is no way I am going into national mass hysteria mourning when their own are doing this. Scumbags in the boardroom, scumbags in the stands.

 

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Man United chief exec David Gill says the club's debt is 'comfortable'. ' The banks are happy. What we have to do is harvest every opportunity.' Sure enough, among United's tributes to the Munich 58 victims - a new MUTV marketing campaign for the channel, featuring a one-day-free-to-view screening of the Munich memorial event (all other 'Munich week' content available to subscribers only); plus the logo-heavy Munich 58 poster outside Old Trafford, sponsored by AIG. '[The logo] is perfectly appropriate,' says a spokesman. 'AIG just want to remember that extraordinary team.' (Other new Munich 58 merchandise this week: a commemerative Munich 58 replica shirt (£49.99), and Munich 58 cashmere scarf (£49.99), featuring the old 'phoenix' badge, a registered trademark of Manchester City Council. 20% of the sale price goes to charity.)

 

fuck me, they really are special

[Section_31]

I don't deny the club are cunts, as are many of their fans, aye the team was overated and in many ways the mancs built their fame and 'dynesty' on the disaster, but it still knocks me sick when our fans sink to that level.

[fivetimes]

Its forced on us every year and especially this year and we are meant to mourn for them and join in their grief?

 

Nah your'e ok, too much water passed under from that lot.

 

The way Man City fans are being patronised and portrayed just to get them to be quiet is also out of order. We all must bow to Man utd though and they have a completely different set of rules.

[navbasi]

Mancs tried to charge the BBC £5000 for permission to cover the memorial service.

 

MANYOO CASHING IN ON MUNICH?

 

With the 50th anniversary of the Munich aircrash approaching, Manchester United have managed to get themselves into a row after trying to charge £5,000 for footage of the memorial service.

 

Only MUTV cameras will be allowed at the event, which is being held tomorrow in an Old Trafford suite, and the BBC are furious after being told that they must pay for pictures from the service.

 

Eight of the Busby Babes were killed in the crash along with three club officials and there is a suggestion in the Daily Mail that Manchester United are trying to cash in on the biggest tragedy in the club's history.

 

Fans of the club were angered recently after a Munich mural, put up at Old Trafford in memory of those lost, contained club sponsor AIG's logo. The mural was recently paint-bombed.

 

 

Officials of the club have claimed that the fee they are demanding is retaliation

 

for the £3,500 that the BBC charged MUTV for their share of the TV rights of George Best's funeral.

 

However, after the row this has caused and how fans have responded to such behaviour over a sensitive issue, David Gill has claimed that the club will no longer be charging a fee for the TV rights.

 

"Notwithstanding the fact that the BBC charged MUTV for pictures of the George Best funeral, the board of MUTV have decided to provide live pictures of the 50th anniversary memorial service free of charge," Gill told the Daily Mail via email.

 

A BBC spokesperson said, "We can confirm we are taking footage of the memorial service from MUTV and we are pleased to be able to bring coverage of this even to BBC viewers."

 

Such a row over tragic events such as the Munich aircrash and the death of arguably the club's greatest-ever player is pathetic to say the least and does not bode well for the reputations of either Manchester United or the BBC.

 

Football365.com - MANYOO CASHING IN ON MUNICH? - All The News - Football365 News

[navbasi]

Its forced on us every year and especially this year and we are meant to mourn for them and join in their grief?

 

Nah your'e ok, too much water passed under from that lot.

 

The way Man City fans are being patronised and portrayed just to get them to be quiet is also out of order. We all must bow to Man utd though and they have a completely different set of rules.

 

Have to agree 100%. A manc at work asked me how I felt about it and I said I was indifferent about the whole thing.. and he was shocked like I was supposed to start crying or something and sit their reminising about the "Good Old Days"...

 

I'm not one to join in with the songs, but nor will I go out of my way on Sunday to make a special effort, I'll be too busy worrying about my team.

[Hermes]

people who have seen a few highlights of Duncan Edwards say he's the best player ever

 

 

I don't know what highlights they saw, there was no televised football when he was playing. There were only newsreel pictures. The lad only played about 150 games for Utd, so anybody who wasn't a United fan would have seen him 5/6 times at the most. He may have been a great player, but the myth and legend has grown due to the fact that he died young and people have read about him.

 

From what I read when I was a kid, Roy of The Rovers was far better.

[Red Mist]

Older mancs in the know say Edwards was in the mould of a young Stevie Gerrard (note the 'young' part...)

If that's the case he must have been a decent footballer, but hardly the best ever. If Dunc possessed an Englishman's technique then he cannot be the greatest. Only South American football gods like Pele and Maradona had the incomparable technique that set them apart from their inferior European counterparts, and which made them the best.

[Section_31]

^^ The mancs specialise in rewriting history anyway, that's why George best was the third best player ever after Pele and Maradona.

 

It's also why they were the 'biggest club in the world' even while Dennis Law's back heel was sending them down to the old first division.

[Hermes]

^^ The mancs specialise in rewriting history anyway, that's why George best was the third best player ever after Pele and Maradona.

 

It's also why they were the 'biggest club in the world' even while Dennis Law's back heel was sending them down to the old first division.

 

My dad hates the Mancs with a passion I've not seen in anybody, but he rates Best as the best player he's ever seen.

[stringvest]

Its forced on us every year and especially this year and we are meant to mourn for them and join in their grief?

 

Nah your'e ok, too much water passed under from that lot.

 

The way Man City fans are being patronised and portrayed just to get them to be quiet is also out of order. We all must bow to Man utd though and they have a completely different set of rules.

 

Why don't you read your own signature you fucking twerp? If you want people to respect that, you need to show a bit of respect yourself. This is about people that died you fucking imbecile.

[navbasi]

Why don't you read your own signature you fucking twerp? If you want people to respect that, you need to show a bit of respect yourself. This is about people that died you fucking imbecile.

 

I think you are missing the point BIG STYLE. It's not a matter of disrespect to those that died, it's more of a case that why is the whole football world being forced into this and made to feel bad if they don't share the same emotions as the mancs.

 

Like I said in my post, I'm indifferent, I don't disrespect the fact that 23 PEOPLE died on that plane, but I won't be wearing a black armband on Sunday.

 

Try reading posts before you jump in.

[fivetimes]

Why don't you read your own signature you fucking twerp? If you want people to respect that, you need to show a bit of respect yourself. This is about people that died you fucking imbecile.

 

Hold on "twerp" - at what point have I disrespected the people who died?

 

I just said that I feel its all too much, esp the way Man City fans are being protrayed. I wouldnt expect any other set of people or fans to join in with us, so why should I feel a great loss about people who died in a plane crash 50 years ago? Yes it was tragic and I am sorry for the families, truly I am, but I dont mourn the people who died in the Pan Am flight or the Tsunami in Thailand so why should I suddenly go overboard on this like the media is telling me too and because it is football??

 

Fucking gobshite stop with the super fan bollocks.

 

I have removed my signature just in case it, or MY opinions offends you.

[fivetimes]

Stringvest - Its also classy to see you joining in the sick thread on the GF about the poor young model who got killed and, possibly when dead, molested.

 

Where were you values then?

"This is about people that died you fucking imbecile" I believe are the words.

 

No?

[navbasi]

Maybe he's a closet Manc - one rule for him and one rule for everyone else.....

[stringvest]

That's me. No, I just thought we can't keep on about JFT96 while on the other hand saying I'm fed up of hearing about Munich and City fans shouldn't kow tow to United's request for a bit of order at the derby. It's the same thing really. I would like to think some fans of other clubs might be on our side re the 96, and some might at least respect the cause. And the JFT96 sig offends no-one as far as I'm aware, certainly not me.

[fivetimes]

That's me. No, I just thought we can't keep on about JFT96 while on the other hand saying I'm fed up of hearing about Munich and City fans shouldn't kow tow to United's request for a bit of order at the derby. It's the same thing really. I would like to think some fans of other clubs might be on our side re the 96, and some might at least respect the cause. And the JFT96 sig offends no-one as far as I'm aware, certainly not me.

 

 

My point about the city fans was that they are being patronised to high heaven and being "expected" to disrupt it. Give them a little bit of credit to think that they wouldnt and would show respect, not have to be made out to be cunts and have every wannabe journalist and ex-player patronising them on television before anything has even happened.

 

My points about United making money out of the disaster and the actual victims losing out big time still stands and a lot of Man Utd fans would agree.

Anyway, today shouldnt really be the day to discuss this.

[moxter]

For what it's worth, can I propose a minutes refraining from posting on here in an hour or so's time?