Rocky 3

[Tony Moanero]

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[redheart]

For me they are very different films. Rocky was gritty and brim whilst 3 and 4 were pure comic book action.

 

For the correct order is

 

3, 4, 1, 6, 2 and 5 is turd

[Bjornebye]

1,4,3,2,5,6,

 

this changes a lot. 

[Stickman]

For me they are very different films. Rocky was gritty and brim whilst 3 and 4 were pure comic book action.

 

For the correct order is

 

3, 4, 1, 6, 2 and 5 is turd

I thought you had 1 as third ?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Rocky IV

 

You will lose."

"If he dies, he dies."

"I must break you."

"He's not human, he's like a piece of iron."

 

The training scenes are better too,oh and the beard

 

 

 

Look how shit it is though. It is severely let down by the make up department that beard.

 

It has the opportunity to be one films greatest beards. Yet it is let down by some fucking YTS beard gluing on guy who has probably never experienced the real feel of a beard growing on his own face.

 

Look at how wonky it is. Shame on Hollywood, fucking shame.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Reminds me of a weird defence of Ivan Drago - http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/783/rocky-iv-the-misunderstood-ivan-drago/

 

 

History has not given Ivan Drago a fair shake. Not even close. In all likelihood, Drago, a.k.a. The Siberian Bull, a.k.a. Death From Above, will go down as one of the defining terrors of the 1980s. Our grandchildren will remember him as a barely human manifestation of everything that was wrong with the Soviet Union. But that shit isn’t right. The elitist intellectual scholars who are in a rush to place Drago in a league with the Takagi-fortune-Stealing, non-girl-needing, Wade-murdering, Boddicker-esque villains that defined the 80s couldn’t be more wrong. At worst, he is a misunderstood abomination, the monster to the Soviet Union’s Frankenstein; a beast with incredible (and sometimes lethal) capabilities whose character is deeply buried beneath its freakish appearance and distorted by the fear it inspires. At best, Ivan is nothing short of a hero, a revolutionary, and, in 1985, one of humanity’s brightest lights.

 

Yeah, okay, so he caved in Apollo Creed’s head. What? That’s his fault? Fuck no. Like his wife said, he’s a professional fighter, not a killer. He never wanted to hurt Creed, who was well known and very respected in the Soviet Union. No, Ivan Drago didn’t kill Apollo Creed. Apollo Creed killed Apollo Creed, with assists from Rocky Balboa and an incompetent referee.

 

The fact of the matter is that Creed killed himself when he manipulated his way into fighting Drago. He had no business getting in the ring with anyone, for that matter. He was a god damned Has Been, just like straight-shooting Russian antagonist Nicoli Koloff said he was. Honestly, it could be argued that Creed was washed up before his first fight with Rocky. He eked out a controversial spit-decision victory against a struggling club fighter who only had six weeks to train for the fight. Then, a year later, he was knocked out by the same club fighter, who was boxing right-handed for the first time, nursing a surgically repaired eye, and had virtually no strategy (Run through him? Run over him? Thanks, Mick).

 

And that was some eight odd years before the Drago fight, when he was beaten to death in the second round by an amateur fighter. The Counte of Monte Fisto evaded exactly zero of the 41 punches Drago threw. The only reason he didn’t die sooner was because Drago wasted five or six punches on his body. And it’s not like he wasn’t warned beforehand. Rocky reminded Apollo that he was an old man, and cautioned him against mixing it up with Drago. Did he listen? Fuck no. He bitched about someone else stealing his glory. He was a fucking Has Been that died because he was everything Drago and Rocky weren’t: arrogant, boastful, flashy, superficial, lazy, and, at the risk of being redundant, black.

 

Speaking of Rocky, THROW THE DAMN TOWEL! It was pretty clear that Apollo was being beaten to death by the end of the first round. Drago even gave him a shake of the head, all but pleading for Rocky to shut Apollo down. What? He mumbled something to you, after suffering severe head trauma, about not stopping the fight? That’s your justification for letting him die in an exhibition match? In front of his wife? In front of James Brown? And where was the ref? Yeah, he made half an effort to get between Drago and Creed, but he obviously wasn’t trying hard enough. He probably wasn’t even a licensed ref. He was probably one of James Brown’s entourage. That fight was such a god damned circus, it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

Anyway, while Creed’s death wasn’t going to make anyone look good, Drago’s bad rap comes mostly from the shit stoically proclaimed as Apollo was dying in Stallone’s arms. But what does he say that’s so awful? “I cannot be defeated. I defeat all men.” Nothing wrong there. You can hear his anger at being forced into this situation bubbling up through his words, but he hasn’t crossed any lines. “I defeat real champion.” Yeah, the liberal media assumes he means he wants to fight Rocky, but he hasn’t fought Rocky. He fought Apollo. I’m pretty sure he just called Apollo a Real Champion. Pretty fucking generous words for a man who lost his last two fights to a club fighter and an amateur, respectively.

 

Of course, everyone got their panties in a twist when the gentle giant calmly explained that “If he dies, he dies.” Yeah, that shit sounds pretty callous until you realize that Drago knows virtually no English. I mean, the guy is doing his damnedest to explain what’s happening, but he just doesn’t have the vocabulary to expand upon his philosophy. A young guy from a small town in the Soviet Union, on his first trip to America, forced to fight a childhood hero on a stage in Las Vegas, who has a legendary fighter and trainer in his corner, and was just was dancing with Soul Brother Number One. And now his idol is dying by his hand. Fuck, man, it’s a miracle that he remembered any English at all. And who knows what he was trying to say? He was probably trying to be compassionate. Maybe he was trying to relate to Americans a Soviet parable that would bring dignity to Creed as he lay dying on the mat.

 

His words to Rocky before the climactic fight illustrate his fragile state of mind: “I must break you.” Must. As in, against his will. He didn’t say “I want to break you,” or “I will take pleasure in breaking you,” or even a more passive “You shall be broken by me.” He must break him. Drago was clearly shaken by the death of Apollo Creed, and wanted Rocky to understand that he was being forced into the ring.

 

And then there’s the fight. Drago spared Rocky’s life. There’s no two ways about it. We have all wondered, laughingly, how Rocky could survive a fight with a man that threw punches with 2150 pounds per square inch behind them. Just a stupid movie plot hole, right? Wrong. Drago was pulling punches for the entire fight. You think Drago didn’t see those readings when he punched that psi bag, or whatever it was? Of course he did, and he knew what would happen if actually unloaded on Rocky: he’d be dead by the second round.

 

Not only did Drago keep Balboa alive, he threw that fight. I’m certain of it. Even in the early rounds, you can see him setting the stage. Yeah, Rocky is like a piece of iron. My ass. I doubt Drago would even notice if Rocky was, in fact, made of iron. With more than 2,000 psi behind his punches, he could probably punch a hole in God.

And you know why he threw it? Because he loved America and he loved capitalism, and he wanted to bring righteous American values to his own country. The idea that Drago was representative of Soviet values was bullshit. We all remember what Drago declared before the 15th round. He bellowed at his handlers, the Soviets in attendance, and the fucking politburo: “I WIN FOR ME! FOR ME!”

 

For me? Does that sound like a Communist to you? It doesn’t sound like any fucking Red I’ve ever heard of. And you’ll notice that he only said that he wins. He didn’t say he wins boxing matches. That’s because he never intended to win that boxing match. His goal was to let this noble American come into Moscow and, against all odds, emerge victorious, thus displaying the magnificent virtues of capitalism for all of the Soviet Union and its citizenry to see. I mean, you didn’t see Drago rushing to stop Rocky during his climactic speech, did you? Fuck, he probably wrote it for him. The broken English is a dead give away.

 

Without a doubt, Drago had a plan, and it did not involve winning the fight. How else can you explain Drago lifting a man, who looked to weigh in excess of 200 lbs, several feet off the ground, with a single arm, and then going out and losing to a man who, by that point, had literally been beaten retarded (in yet another example of recklessness by American trainers; hit the one in the middle? Are you shitting me? Throw the damn towel!). Or the panicked manner in which Drago openly begs Rocky to take a swing at him in the 15th round, so he can take a believable dive?

 

“To the end,” Drago tells Rocky before the final round. To the end is right: the end of the Soviet Fucking Union. If that wasn’t a toast, then I’ve never heard one. And yet, Drago’s legacy is that of a scoundrel, and it is Rocky Balboa, a man who won American hearts by bludgeoning successful black men and AIDS victims, that we remember as the hero. Who is the real monster? Not the Siberian Bull. Not Ivan.

[Lee909]

1,4,3,2,5,6,

 

this changes a lot.

5 before 6!

The shame

[KMD7]

3, 1, 4, 2, 6, and 5 would be my choices. 

[jonnybastard]

The correct order for greatest Rocky films is- Rocky III at the pictures, followed by Rocky III on VHS, and finally a nostalgic look at Rocky III on DVD with the kids- where you finally appreciate that boxing was robbed of a true champion in Clubber Lang, by a retarded punch bag who fought nothing but bums, has-beens, and never-wases.

[Bjornebye]

The correct order for greatest Rocky films is- Rocky III at the pictures, followed by Rocky III on VHS, and finally a nostalgic look at Rocky III on DVD with the kids- where you finally appreciate that boxing was robbed of a true champion in Clubber Lang, by a retarded punch bag who fought nothing but bums, has-beens, and never-wases.

 

So Rocky took the champion to the final bell, then beat him, then beat this clubber lang prick when his head was straight (within only a few rounds I might add) then flew to russia to beat a 7ft machine in ivan drago in his own backyard against all the odds???? You clearly know zip about boxing 

 

Rocky is up there with the greats. 

[jonnybastard]

Hype and hyperbole created the illusion of a "7ft machine". Real boxing officionadoes saw it for what it was- a retard (with retard strength) beating a promising Russian amateur before he'd gained the skill and experience necessary to fight at the top level.

Far from knowing nothing, I think you will find I know everything. Now that age has robbed me of the innocence of youth, I see the 'Italian horse cock' for what he really was- a big boned simpleton exploited by all who met him.

[Bjornebye]

Hype and hyperbole created the illusion of a "7ft machine". Real boxing officionadoes saw it for what it was- a retard (with retard strength) beating a promising Russian amateur before he'd gained the skill and experience necessary to fight at the top level.

Far from knowing nothing, I think you will find I know everything. Now that age has robbed me of the innocence of youth, I see the 'Italian horse cock' for what he really was- a big boned simpleton exploited by all who met him.

 

Say it to his face. 

[jonnybastard]

Say it to his face.

Fuck that. The whole point of the internet is to allow gobshites an opinion.

[jonnybastard]

That was a harsh neg for an opinion widely shared by those 'in the know'. It is an established fact that after beating Creed (who had postponed retirement for one last payday, despite being of pensionable age) Balboa was fed a series of stiffs in order to realise maximum profit from minimum risk. His first opponent of calibre (Lang) beat him like a bitch. Balboa then secured the services of Creed for the re-match, who used his considerable influence within the black Muslims to ensure that Lang did a Liston, despite being ahead on all judges score cards. You can't argue with facts stig, not when I'm making them up.

[Lee909]

As good as place as any

[Bjornebye]

That was a harsh neg for an opinion widely shared by those 'in the know'. It is an established fact that after beating Creed (who had postponed retirement for one last payday, despite being of pensionable age) Balboa was fed a series of stiffs in order to realise maximum profit from minimum risk. His first opponent of calibre (Lang) beat him like a bitch. Balboa then secured the services of Creed for the re-match, who used his considerable influence within the black Muslims to ensure that Lang did a Liston, despite being ahead on all judges score cards. You can't argue with facts stig, not when I'm making them up.

 

I evened it out with a rep earlier. 

 

Creed was a top boxer and Rocky was at his worst when he fought him the 1st time. Creed was due to fight a big fight in philadelphia and was fully in his prime yet rocky took him all the way? This also despite the fact that Rocky smoked 4 joints before the fight and Creed had lead weights in his gloves. 

[Lee909]

Thunderlips would have beaten them all if it wasnt a exhibition 

[Harry Squatter]

Wonder what happened to Clubber Lang after Rocky 3, maybe he turned out like Gazza

[Tony Moanero]

Wonder what happened to Clubber Lang after Rocky 3, maybe he turned out like Gazza

Nah, he became a soldier of fortune.

[Harry Squatter]

I bet he turned up at Apollo's fight with Drago with a fishing rod, bucket of KFC and some Carling in his dressing gown.

[JagSquared]

I stil reckon rocky 6 gets a bad rep its actually a decent film. The fact they didnt throw in talia shire in again should win it points on its own. Originally they wanted lang to be eating in the restaurant and helping out with the dishes instead of spider rico to show us what had happened to clubber but Mr T didnt want to join in.

 

for me the order stands at 1, 4 (sound track gives it the edge over 3), 3, 2, 6 and way down 5 which could have been decent but the last half is shockingly bad.

 

the order of these films varies quite a bit though depending on my mood.

[JagSquared]

My favourite changes all the time. The first 3 are all excellent, and I like IV aswell. V is terrible but at least they made Rocky Balboa as even though not as good as the original 3 it's a much better ending than V.

 

I've been trying to get my misses to watch all of the Rocky films as she's never seen them. I dragged her to the pictures to see Rocky Balboa and she liked it, and bought the DVD for me at Christmas. She's finally agreed to watch them all now, tonight we start with Rocky.

how did this turn out? My missus wont watch them despite them being some of the best films ever made. I reckon its to do her lot being on the losing side of the cold war.

[Lee909]

But Rocky showed that if we could change and they could change then everybody could change.

[Kevin D]

Channel 5 +1, folks.

[Guest LFD]

Channel 5 +1, folks.

 

That's Rocky IV.