How good is Dirk (Paco style)?

[Sangria]

It is a six for me, sadly not fit to lace the kings boots but very few are, if any in my book.

How can you not like him anyone who gives the effort that he does is impossible not to like. One thing I expect of any player is to give one hundred percent and he gives it in full.

[Cardie]

Do a Poll to Vote on Gerrard and I would give him a 9 and be in the minority.

 

most would give 7 or 8 IMO 1 more than Kuyt and obviously he's light years ahead of Kuyt

 

Different positions, different criteria, diffrent poll.

[Sangria]

Thought I had posted on the wrong thread is this not about Kuyt.

[Rashid]

You don't want to hear that he has a record of a goal every 2.2/2.3 games over his career or that he was our top scorer in the league last season.

 

You don't want to here that the reason he's not scoring as many is because he's playing a different role at the moment dropping deeper instead of higher up.

 

You've already pidgeonholed Kuyt (and most of our players/manager) and they don't fit into your narrow, idealistic, view of football so why bother debating it with you. In your eyes they'll never be good enough no matter what they do because they don't fit with how you view things.

 

I don't want to hear about him being the next Kezman though, he certainly doesn't have a one in 2.3 for us does he?

 

I have pidgeon hole'd Kuyt as having poor first touch, lack of technique etc because that's what I see. As for his lack of goals, fine, agree about his new position, but that doesn't explain his poor shooting accuracy.

[stringvest]

It is a six for me, sadly not fit to lace the kings boots but very few are, if any in my book.

How can you not like him anyone who gives the effort that he does is impossible not to like. One thing I expect of any player is to give one hundred percent and he gives it in full.

 

what's not to like about Kuyt? You can't confuse footballing ability with personal attributes. It's all about footballing ability though. Look at Dalglish - while he undoubtedly worked hard for the team, he certainly didn't put the effort in that Kuyt does. But I would mark him as a 10, because at the end of the day, mental toughness or effort don't mean a flying fuck if you can't translate them into something positive for the team - and harrying the odd defender doesn't really qualify - even Dalglish would do it if the defender was conveniently positioned...

[Zippy]

Different positions, different criteria, diffrent poll.

 

You answered Rashid about Kuyts goals but what do you think about the other 5 points he listed. Genuinely interested.

[Rashid]

Different positions, different criteria, diffrent poll.

 

He has a point, if Gerrard was compared to Kenny most would put him in at 7 or 8... yet Kuyt has mainly 7. What a joke.

[Cardie]

As for his lack of goals, fine, agree about his new position, but that doesn't explain his poor shooting accuracy.

 

 

Err, it does when it's tied to his positioning and he's shooting from further out.

[Cardie]

Genuinely interested.

 

Why?

 

I'M genuinely interested.

[Cardie]

He has a point, if Gerrard was compared to Kenny most would put him in at 7 or 8... yet Kuyt has mainly 7. What a joke.

 

No he hasn't.

 

The question wasn't where do you rate Kuyt in relation to Dalglish.

[Red Nick]

who the fuck is jkfelix ?

[Zippy]

Because I wanted to see if you ever did anything other than snipe at other people's points. I wanted to know if you genuinely rated Kuyt or if you were just arguing because you like arguing.

[Cardie]

Where did I snipe?

 

I asked firstly what was arguable about his mental strength to which I got no response except the fact he wanted to give Paul at least one. I then took Rash's most crucial quality for a striker (having already summed up the other points with Vieri as an exampe) and said his goalscoring isn't as bad as people are making out.

 

The fact Rash pidgeon holes players was admitted by him.

 

Perhaps you should be a little less touchy and a little more involved in the discussion if you're so bothered?

[Section_31]

I voted 6, but just to be an arse I'd say around 6.5!

 

He's a grafter and a good number-2 striker, but he's completely bereft of any kind of guile or football brain.

 

He's like an alternate universe version of Le Tissier.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

I gone 6 to.I think the problem is not Dirk so much because his goal ratio in Holland was second to none.Rafa seems to play him more as link player between midfield and attack.To be honest until Rafa sticks to a team formation/strategy for the prem every striker here will have probs imo.Just shows how good Torres is.

[Harry Squatter]

Are Erk Meijer Sean Dundee and Piechnik rated at minus 1?

[Red Nick]

On that scoring system id give Souness 11, Barnes & Hansen 10, Gerrard, Rush, Beardsley, Fowler, Owen, Lawrenson, Keegan & co 9, McDermott, Neal, Hughes & co 8, Hammann, Fairclough, Aldridge & co 7, McMahon, Thompson, Henchoz, Johnson & Co 6 and probably someone like Dean Saunders 5 who was still light years better than Kuyt

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

Are Erk Meijer Sean Dundee and Piechnik rated at minus 1?

 

[Guest TK-421]

who the fuck is jkfelix ?

 

I think he wrote some Harry Potter books.

[Rashid]

Where did I snipe?

 

I asked firstly what was arguable about his mental strength to which I got no response except the fact he wanted to give Paul at least one. I then took Rash's most crucial quality for a striker (having already summed up the other points with Vieri as an exampe) and said his goalscoring isn't as bad as people are making out.

 

The fact Rash pidgeon holes players was admitted by him.

 

Perhaps you should be a little less touchy and a little more involved in the discussion if you're so bothered?

 

I think his poor finishing in England is linked to his mental strength - don't you? I have seen him miss open goals.... and free headers. His goal scoring for Holland and Liverpool is not exactly prolific is it?

 

You didn not sum up the other points at all, for one Kuyt is no Vieri, Vieri scored in every league he played in... and Kuyt is a 5 out of 10 at best for the other attributes..

 

Now are you going to answer Zippy? Do you rate Kuyt? And what are your reasons for doing so or not doing so?

 

In my mind he is a good striker for a smaller team/league, but not good enough for one of Europe's big teams...

[Owen]

It never fails to amaze me how much some people rate the likable Dutchman. So, on a scale of one to ten, with one being Josemi and ten being Kenny, how do you rate him?

 

(I know numbers are a very crass way to quantify a player's talent, but it's about the easiest way to gauge the forum view. See it as a sliding scale of LFC talent over the years, if that helps. Where would you place him on that scale?)

 

Fucking hell, Paul. It's one thing to sympathise with Rashid, another completely to begin to turn into him.

 

Edit - just to say, I haven't read the thread. Haven't got the energy.

[Guest TK-421]

Fucking hell, Paul. It's one thing to sympathise with Rashid, another completely to begin to turn into him.

 

Edit - just to say, I haven't read the thread. Haven't got the energy.

 

Read it, it's comedy gold.

[Owen]

Read it, it's comedy gold.

 

I'm in a foul mood already today - really don't need to read what the dribbling mongs on here have been up to. First time on the *f since Wednesday afternoon, and there're threads like this. Grrr.

[Thants]

 

Great film. And very random choice of reference.

[Cardie]

I think his poor finishing in England is linked to his mental strength - don't you? I have seen him miss open goals.... and free headers. His goal scoring for Holland and Liverpool is not exactly prolific is it?

 

You didn not sum up the other points at all, for one Kuyt is no Vieri, Vieri scored in every league he played in... and Kuyt is a 5 out of 10 at best for the other attributes..

 

Now are you going to answer Zippy? Do you rate Kuyt? And what are your reasons for doing so or not doing so?

 

In my mind he is a good striker for a smaller team/league, but not good enough for one of Europe's big teams...

 

Starter for ten: What positions have Kuyt played for Liverpool and Holland.

 

You may find your answer for a poorer goalscoring record in that question.

 

As for mental strength, missing an open goal has nothing to do with it unless you're telling me Henry lacks the mental strength. Mental Strength would be taking a penalty in the Derby then stepping up to take the potential winner.....except in your world obviously where it's down to luck or freak wind or something.