Racism in Southern America..

[Skidfingers McGonical]

4 minutes ago, John102 said:

I know it's America and its slightly different rules over there, however, I think whatever the answer to those questions is, that the answer still wouldn't be to get a gun and shoot an unarmed man.

 

Perhaps go in and ring the police instead of getting a gun?

 

Well, that’s looking at it without ever being in that situation, and hoping that I would do the exactly that.

 

However, we don’t know what’s gone on in the longer build up to that specific moment. It’s easy to be judge, jury and executioner on a 3-5 minute video clip. There are hundreds of questions that need to be asked about tue lead up before you get to the shooting. 
 

 

 

[Pidge]

13 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

 

We’ve done this already. He has no right to be on the property.  The kid isn’t there, he tells us that. 
 

He was killed after he grabbed a gun. Something you were on board with earlier in the week.  

 

He didn't have hold of the gun and there were a couple of metres between the shooter and the victim. So not sure what relevance grabbing the gun has. The shooter could have held the gun up and shot if the victim tried to close the distance, but he didn't. He had the gun and made a choice under no immediate threat to shoot and kill a man.

[John102]

10 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Well, that’s looking at it without ever being in that situation, and hoping that I would do the exactly that.

 

However, we don’t know what’s gone on in the longer build up to that specific moment. It’s easy to be judge, jury and executioner on a 3-5 minute video clip. There are hundreds of questions that need to be asked about tue lead up before you get to the shooting. 
 

 

 

What sort of things leading up to this would justify, in the context of whats seen on the video, him shooting him rather than ringing the police. I guess if he doesn't have a phone or mobile but seems unlikely.

[skend04]

7 minutes ago, John102 said:

What sort of things leading up to this would justify, in the context of whats seen on the video, him shooting him rather than ringing the police. I guess if he doesn't have a phone or mobile but seems unlikely.

Whoever is in the house had his mobile to film him killing Chad. Had no choice but to kill him rather than call the police. Or that's what he wants us to believe...

[Skidfingers McGonical]

8 minutes ago, John102 said:

What sort of things leading up to this would justify, in the context of whats seen on the video, him shooting him rather than ringing the police. I guess if he doesn't have a phone or mobile but seems unlikely.

Harassment by the Dad, jealousy, bitter divorce, threats made previously by the Dad to name a few. 
 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Whoever is in the house had his mobile to film him killing Chad. Had no choice but to kill him rather than call the police.

Maybe they were collecting evidence like the victims partner/friend in the car was. There is clearly more to this than just this  interaction.

 

Wether we personally think it’s justified based on that video alone is moot. There is a story, that we don’t know that has happened in the build up to this. 

 

[John102]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Harassment by the Dad, jealousy, bitter divorce, threats made previously by the Dad to name a few. 
 

 

Bitter divorce is justification to shoot him rather than get police? I disagree but fair enough if that's your reasoning.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 minute ago, John102 said:

Bitter divorce is justification to shoot him rather than get police? I disagree but fair enough if that's your reasoning.

That’s not what I said is it. 

[Rico1304]

27 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 

He didn't have hold of the gun and there were a couple of metres between the shooter and the victim. So not sure what relevance grabbing the gun has. The shooter could have held the gun up and shot if the victim tried to close the distance, but he didn't. He had the gun and made a choice under no immediate threat to shoot and kill a man.

Are you watching the same video as me? He said he’d take the gun off him and shoot him with it. He tried to take it off him, there’s the threat. He was shot about half a second later. Does he have to wait to be attacked again?  No, no he doesn’t. 

[Pureblood]

We should do an experiment where mighty members of the GF go door to door on US soil and try to disarm the owner of the property. 

[Pidge]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Are you watching the same video as me? He said he’d take the gun off him and shoot him with it. He tried to take it off him, there’s the threat. He was shot about half a second later. Does he have to wait to be attacked again?  No, no he doesn’t. 

He should have to, in my opinion, yeah. He has the gun and a lot of options to control the situation before executing a guy. That's why I said "immediate threat".

[Bjornebye]

So a fella goes and get loaded rifle. Walks back out with it and threatens a guy with it. Guys days he will take it off him and shoot him so gets shot dead in cold blood. And it’s the dead guys fault ? 

[Bjornebye]

15 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

That’s not what I said is it. 

What did you say then 

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Pidge said:

He should have to, in my opinion, yeah. He has the gun and a lot of options to control the situation before executing a guy. That's why I said "immediate threat".

You mean like firing a warning shot? Which he’d already done and was then attacked.  

[skend04]

 

Pretty decent breakdown, based on the videos that are available and nothing else. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

What did you say then 

Come on now, you can read. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Come on now, you can read. 

John asked what sort of things would justify this, you listed some things including bitter divorce. I’m not sure how you can say that’s not what you said unless you’re joking. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

19 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

John asked what sort of things would justify this, you listed some things including bitter divorce. I’m not sure how you can say that’s not what you said unless you’re joking. 

I listed, I didn’t say they were justified. 
 

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Harassment by the Dad, jealousy, bitter divorce, threats made previously by the Dad to name a few. 
 

 

Telling him he's bought him a half season ticket to watch Everton as his Christmas present? 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Telling him he's bought him a half season ticket to watch Everton as his Christmas present? 

He never got over the one2one phone contract. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

 

Pretty decent breakdown, based on the videos that are available and nothing else. 

I watched half, by then he hadn’t commented on the fact the dead guy said he was going to take the gun and shoot him. Does he cover that?  

[Bjornebye]

31 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I listed, I didn’t say they were justified. 
 

 

Erm ok. 

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Telling him he's bought him a half season ticket to watch Everton as his Christmas present? 

Well he should still be sent down, for only shooting him once. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Erm ok. 

Erm, no.
 

Show me where I said they were justified reasons. 

[skend04]

12 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I watched half, by then he hadn’t commented on the fact the dead guy said he was going to take the gun and shoot him. Does he cover that?  

Yep. Covers everything in the 2 videos.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Erm, no.
 

Show me where I said they were justified reasons. 

Apart from the bit where you listed reasons after being asked for justification?