Wheres Baros

[CHARLIE]

Jose Reina

Scott Carson

 

Steve Finnan

Sami Hyypia

Jamie Carragher

Stephen Warnock

Zak Whitbread

Josemi

John Arne Riise

 

Steven Gerrard

Darren Potter

Bolo Zenden

Luis Garcia

Dietmar Hamann

Xabi Alonso

 

Djibril Cisse

Fernando Morientes

Anthony Le Tallec

 

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[Total Longo]

In the same place as Dudek. The shop window.

[cochcaer]

Cheek! Didn't bother to ask 'where's Diao?'

[danhaddad]

Cant believe we are shipping out the best striker at the club.

 

Dont care what anyone says about "systems" we should be keeping our best players.

[Hermes]

Cant believe we are shipping out the best striker at the club.

 

Dont care what anyone says about "systems" we should be keeping our best players.

 

Exactly. Rafa has made it clear from day 1 that Baros was not in his plans. He's making a big mistake.

[The Party Boy]

Deffo, just hope he doesn't go to another premiership club. Milan is twice the player Cisse is, he's only young aswell and is only gonna get better. Why sell him, makes no sense to me

[Guest FarmersBoy]

Why sell him?

 

1. Because he's only scored something like 2 in 23 games.

2. Because he's often going into the press about how he should be playing more/longer and will be 'considering options' if not.

3. Because he's congenitally incapable of lifting his head to see what's going on.

4. Because he's not a great finisher (think of all the one on ones he missed last season - would you rather Milan had been taking that penalty in the shootout than Cisse?)

5. Because his principal asset - his pace - is not as good as Cisse's

 

I think Rafa has this one spot on. I don't think he's going to improve as a player. At the end of last season he was on about leaving if things didn't improve with his chances to play - even though he was the main striker. Then we win the CL and he's prepared to fight for his place again? Keeping him will be just garnering a bucketload of whinging.

[The Party Boy]

To be fair this so called whinging was in the czech press were you can bet his words were twisted in translation. Yeah he never scored that many in the second half of the season but he was always the first to get hauled off. First half of the season he was are best player along with Carragher. He might not lift his head up at times, still he aint got an elephant touch like Cisse

[Zippy]

To be fair this so called whinging was in the czech press were you can bet his words were twisted in translation. Yeah he never scored that many in the second half of the season but he was always the first to get hauled off. First half of the season he was are best player along with Carragher. He might not lift his head up at times, still he aint got an elephant touch like Cisse

 

I wonder why if he is so good why nobody (besides Gh) seems remotely interested in signing him. Baros is available for a knock down price (as we always selll our players off cheap). He does some things really well and on his day is quality but his day doesn't happen often enough.

[sammya]

Why sell him?

 

1. Because he's only scored something like 2 in 23 games.

2. Because he's often going into the press about how he should be playing more/longer and will be 'considering options' if not.

3. Because he's congenitally incapable of lifting his head to see what's going on.

4. Because he's not a great finisher (think of all the one on ones he missed last season - would you rather Milan had been taking that penalty in the shootout than Cisse?)

5. Because his principal asset - his pace - is not as good as Cisse's

 

I think Rafa has this one spot on. I don't think he's going to improve as a player. At the end of last season he was on about leaving if things didn't improve with his chances to play - even though he was the main striker. Then we win the CL and he's prepared to fight for his place again? Keeping him will be just garnering a bucketload of whinging.

 

Yeah, but apart from that.

[MLB]

It might be that Rafa doesn't rate Cisse that highly either...

[James H]

Why sell him?

 

1. Because he's only scored something like 2 in 23 games.

2. Because he's often going into the press about how he should be playing more/longer and will be 'considering options' if not.

3. Because he's congenitally incapable of lifting his head to see what's going on.

4. Because he's not a great finisher (think of all the one on ones he missed last season - would you rather Milan had been taking that penalty in the shootout than Cisse?)

5. Because his principal asset - his pace - is not as good as Cisse's

 

I think Rafa has this one spot on. I don't think he's going to improve as a player. At the end of last season he was on about leaving if things didn't improve with his chances to play - even though he was the main striker. Then we win the CL and he's prepared to fight for his place again? Keeping him will be just garnering a bucketload of whinging.

 

I've got a lot of time for Baros but its hard to disagree with any of that.

[James H]

Plus can anyone name one top side he's ever scored for us against?

[CHARLIE]

exactly , we want to keep baros, hell come back to haunt us if we dont

[Red Nick]

exactly , we want to keep baros, hell come back to haunt us if we dont

 

I was told a year ago that Rafa didnt rate any of the then 4 strikers ie Pongolle, Owen, Cisse & Baros and with Bascombes recent remarks about Cisse this information looks to be bang on the money as he doesnt seem that keen to have Owen back either.

[Sutty]

I was told a year ago that Rafa didnt rate any of the then 4 strikers ie Pongolle, Owen, Cisse & Baros and with Bascombes recent remarks about Cisse this information looks to be bang on the money as he doesnt seem that keen to have Owen back either.

I am sure I read when Rafa first joined that he tried to sign Cisse when Rafa was manager of Valencia but of course he wasn't allowed to. I think that about Owen too - I am also sure I read a Carra interview and Carra would have liked Owen back but reckoned Rafa wasn't too keen. I think. god I wish my memory worked!!

[LiverpoolFreak]

In my honest oppinon, Rafa rates Pongolle highly and has plans for him in the future. However, if I was to be wrong and he was sold in the age of under 22 I will be uterly dissapointed.

[Red Nick]

In my honest oppinon, Rafa rates Pongolle highly and has plans for him in the future. However, if I was to be wrong and he was sold in the age of under 22 I will be uterly dissapointed.

 

i think Pongolle has a future but not as a striker but in the wide positions.

 

Rafa did say he rated Cisse but also said he wanted to keep Murphy, in fact he said he had the best 4 strikers in the prem but I doubt he really believed it, just trying to instil confidence in those players

[Skidfingers McGonical]

this is just the same arguement from a few weeks ago, and last season, the sason before adn the season before that. So its the same old same old.

[fivetimes]

If he isnt losing the ball on his first touch, he is pulling the shirt of the defender and giving away silly fouls. Not good enough if we need to push on for the league.

[Guest Kaelin]

I am sure I read when Rafa first joined that he tried to sign Cisse when Rafa was manager of Valencia but of course he wasn't allowed to. I think that about Owen too - I am also sure I read a Carra interview and Carra would have liked Owen back but reckoned Rafa wasn't too keen. I think. god I wish my memory worked!!

 

He said that his scouting team or head Scout at Valencia told him if they buy Cisse they'll win the league for the next 2 seasons.

Dunno bout thye Owen part tho.

[Brownie]

If he isnt losing the ball on his first touch, he is pulling the shirt of the defender and giving away silly fouls. Not good enough if we need to push on for the league.

 

Enough of Diao mate, what about Baros? :whistle:

[fivetimes]

ha haaa.

 

seriously though, you only have to watch the first half of the final, it is a perfect microcosm of baros the player.

 

his attitude stucnk towards the end of last year, and when games are tight and you need to be sure of taking chances, he fails us. (the derby, juve away to name two)

[Big Ig]

Why sell him?

 

1. Because he's only scored something like 2 in 23 games.

2. Because he's often going into the press about how he should be playing more/longer and will be 'considering options' if not.

3. Because he's congenitally incapable of lifting his head to see what's going on.

4. Because he's not a great finisher (think of all the one on ones he missed last season - would you rather Milan had been taking that penalty in the shootout than Cisse?)

5. Because his principal asset - his pace - is not as good as Cisse's

 

I think Rafa has this one spot on. I don't think he's going to improve as a player. At the end of last season he was on about leaving if things didn't improve with his chances to play - even though he was the main striker. Then we win the CL and he's prepared to fight for his place again? Keeping him will be just garnering a bucketload of whinging.

Baros's principle asset is excellent close control under pressure and ability to hold the ball up, combined with decent pace. Still not yet sure about Cisse's close control, as most of what we've seen is him on the wing knocking the ball past left-backs, but he seems to be improving.

[Big Ig]

I was told a year ago that Rafa didnt rate any of the then 4 strikers ie Pongolle, Owen, Cisse & Baros and with Bascombes recent remarks about Cisse this information looks to be bang on the money as he doesnt seem that keen to have Owen back either.

 

I would have though he'd have changed his mind about Pongolle after this season, not necessarily as a frontline striker, but definitely as a very useful squad player.