Keir Starmer

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I think it probably only stops when the left gives up and fucks off and everyone just accepts that the Labour party is a centrist party. Change the "Democratic Socialist" bit on the membership card, etc. Maybe just replace it with a picture of Peter Mandelson.

 

Obviously it would guarantee decades of Tory governments, which looks fairly likely anyway in all fairness.

 

The Labour party has gone from something to be hated or laughed at to something no-one gives a fuck about any more. They're becoming the Lib Dems.

Not sure about the last line (they won’t go full tory) but the rest is spot on. 

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Not sure about the last line (they won’t go full tory) but the rest is spot on. 

In the Lib Dems defence they wouldn't have ministers talking about drowning refugees or a leader in the middle of a pandemic talking about letting the bodies pile up. They're not sociopaths. 

 

They're just empty suits, or people fighting ferociously for nothing to change. And it's this that they have in common with much of the Labour party. They inspire apathy.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

In the Lib Dems defence they wouldn't have ministers talking about drowning refugees or a leader in the middle of a pandemic talking about letting the bodies pile up. They're not sociopaths. 

 

They're just empty suits, or people fighting ferociously for nothing to change. And it's this that they have in common with much of the Labour party. They inspire apathy.

Can you see Labour entering into a coalition with them though ….? 

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Can you see Labour entering into a coalition with them though ….? 

With the Tories? Well, no. Although I doubt the dynamic would never get so bad for Labour that they become such a miniscule party that they'd simply leap at the chance of any sniff of power. Even if it essentially meant being David Cameron's gopher. Exchanging the enormous win of getting supermarkets to charge 5p for plastic bags with sending tens of thousands of vulnerable people to an early grave.

 

However, I could see them going into coalition with each other and it's probably the best people can hope for now. As utterly uninspiring a prospect as it would be. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Jairzinho said:

With the Tories? Well, no. Although I doubt the dynamic would never get so bad for Labour that they become such a miniscule party that they'd simply leap at the chance of any sniff of power. Even if it essentially meant being David Cameron's gopher. Exchanging the enormous win of getting supermarkets to charge 5p for plastic bags with sending tens of thousands of vulnerable people to an early grave.

 

However, I could see them going into coalition with each other and it's probably the best people can hope for now. As utterly uninspiring a prospect as it would be. 

Should have happened last time but nope ….. I’m sure some bank accounts didn’t benefit honest …… 

[Jairzinho]

Nick Clegg certainly seems to have done well out of it. Swapping dinner parties with George Osborne to pumping out propaganda for Mark Zuckerberg.

 

Really is quite tragic what has happened to that party post Charles Kennedy. They were a proper alternative for people who thought Blair was/is a fucking cunt.

[Moo]

If "they" wanted to re-create New Labour then Starmer is a poor choice.

But I don't think that's why he won the leadership. I think the hope was that he was a smart, in words and looks, left-winger at heart but that has proven not to be the case. It seems the party under his leadership wants to distance itself from the left by moving further to the right, but Starmer simply does not have the charisma or personality to take people with him.

A disastrous choice so far.

[Jairzinho]

4 minutes ago, Moo said:

If "they" wanted to re-create New Labour then Starmer is a poor choice.

But I don't think that's why he won the leadership. I think the hope was that he was a smart, in words and looks, left-winger at heart but that has proven not to be the case. It seems the party under his leadership wants to distance itself from the left by moving further to the right, but Starmer simply does not have the charisma or personality to take people with him.

A disastrous choice so far.

The hope for who though?

 

I think for those whose only interest was wrestling back control of the party the hope was that he would be an empty vessel. Job done.

 

Quite different for the membership of course. Didn't help that Long-Bailey was such an atrocious option from the left that many who might actually consider themselves socialists voted for Starmer.

[Captain Turdseye]

If the unions start disaffiliating then surely that’s the end of the party. Like the actual end of it, not just people crying about it on Twitter. 

[Bruce Spanner]

19 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

If the unions start disaffiliating then surely that’s the end of the party. Like the actual end of it, not just people crying about it on Twitter. 

Sharon Graham has taken Unite so there’s breathing space there,

[Gnasher]

Talking of Unite I was at Tony Benn House yesterday to try to sort of some fairly minor issues, no answer from the front door bell. Decided to pop over the road to an old haunt named after some old fella who wrote a few plays back in the day, god only knows why in the 17th century they named pubs after these people.

 

https://www.yeshakespearebristol.co.uk/

 

Anyway on telling the barman of my plight he responded 'ah, them lot are always out the back room' 'great'I replied 'they out there now?' '"No" he answered. 

 

Not the most exciting story I admit, sorry, as you were.. 

[Bjornebye]

Much ado about nothing 

[lifetime fan]

55 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Nick Clegg certainly seems to have done well out of it. Swapping dinner parties with George Osborne to pumping out propaganda for Mark Zuckerberg.

 

Really is quite tragic what has happened to that party post Charles Kennedy. They were a proper alternative for people who thought Blair was/is a fucking cunt.

I’ve just accepted a job for a company who had Clegg as Chair of their advisory board when they were caught out putting fake reviews on trust pilot and…yeah, you guessed it. Facebook. 

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I’ve just accepted a job for a company who had Clegg as Chair of their advisory board when they were caught out putting fake reviews on trust pilot and…yeah, you guessed it. Facebook. 

Ha.

[lifetime fan]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Talking of Unite I was at Tony Benn House yesterday to try to sort of some fairly minor issues, no answer from the front door bell. Decided to pop over the road to an old haunt named after some old fella who wrote a few plays back in the day, god only knows why in the 17th century they named pubs after these people.

 

https://www.yeshakespearebristol.co.uk/

 

Anyway on telling the barman of my plight he responded 'ah, them lot are always out the back room' 'great'I replied 'they out there now?' '"No" he answered. 

 

Not the most exciting story I admit, sorry, as you were.. 

 

Its a shit pub. 

[Arniepie]

Maybe it would be better if there was some sort of split?

There just seems an utter gulf between the 2 sides of the party.

[lifetime fan]

Just now, Jairzinho said:

Ha.

Health care in this country is absolutely fucked! 
 

I fully expect to be looking for another job within 6 months after clashing with senior management yet again. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, lifetime fan said:

 

Its a shit pub. 

Ive always liked the place, I go there very infrequently now as i dont live in Bristol. Lovely pint of Inches cider in there Lifey, everyone to their own though.

[lifetime fan]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ive always liked the place, I go there very infrequently now as i dont live in Bristol. Lovely pint of Inches cider in there Lifey, everyone to their own though.

Inches is too sweet for me. 
 

If you’re down there again try the apple bar. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Inches is too sweet for me. 
 

If you’re down there again try the apple bar. 

Didn’t we establish yesterday on the breakfast thread that apple juice turns men into fat cunts ?

[Gnasher]

32 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Inches is too sweet for me. 
 

If you’re down there again try the apple bar. 

Went there, boat on the harbour,had a pint of Tauntons, driest on the menu, fucking lovely it was Lifey, when in Rome an that. Also had to meet a fella in the Hatchet, right next to the concert hall, The Benn union building not so welcoming though, had an election on their minds apparently, never mind. 

[lifetime fan]

35 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Didn’t we establish yesterday on the breakfast thread that apple juice turns men into fat cunts ?

Not as quickly as cider does. 

[lifetime fan]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Went there, boat on the harbour,had a pint of Tauntons, driest on the menu, fucking lovely it was Lifey, when in Rome an that. Also had to meet a fella in the Hatchet, right next to the concert hall, The Benn union building not so welcoming though, had an election on their minds apparently, never mind. 

Now that is good pub. They reckon The Hatchet is the oldest pub in Bristol. 
 

Back when we were at college it was a gay friendly pub. You used to get a weird mix of hairy gay bikers, lipstick lesbians and pisshead students in there on a Friday/Saturday evening taking advantage of the £1.50 a pint/bottle/double offer before we then went clubbing. 
 

Had many a great night in there. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Now that is good pub. They reckon The Hatchet is the oldest pub in Bristol. 
 

Back when we were at college it was a gay friendly pub. You used to get a weird mix of hairy gay bikers, lipstick lesbians and pisshead students in there on a Friday/Saturday evening taking advantage of the £1.50 a pint/bottle/double offer before we then went clubbing. 
 

Had many a great night in there. 

Yeah it's a cracking pub.

[lifetime fan]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah it's a cracking pub.

The Old Duke and Llandoger Trow on King Street are always worth a visit too.