Coronavirus

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Surely they'd still be better off having a single dose than no dose.

Theoretically but that's a big chance to take.  What if protection falls off a cliff after 3 weeks because the second dose has been missed?  There is no data on this as confirmed by Pfizer, they cannot confirm the usefulness of the first dose after the initial 21 days so it's a massive risk to take on the most vulnerable in particular, not to mention potentially a huge waste of vaccinnes.

[Moo]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

There's more than the vulnerable and old in hospital though isn't there. It's all about the absolute dire state they've left the NHS in that it can't cope with anything out of the.ordinary, it doesn't even cope with a bad flu season. 

Of course. 

I was being slightly sarcastic re those who have played it down saying it doesn't affect the vast majority of the population etc etc.  Nevertheless I still think the initial focus for the vaccine should be on the most vulnerable, perhaps those who received shielding letters back in March (which according to the BBC was about a million) and those in care homes.

[Vincent Vega]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Nah I doubt it mate. This is the bit that really gets me down. The British public is complicit in all of this. Johnson was not an unknown quantity. If you had a time machine and asked someone who loves him and voted for him, had pictures of him on the wall, 'how do you think he'd handle a pandemic?', they'd say stuff along the lines of 'positivity', 'bombast', 'patriotism', and 'perhaps not great attention to detail'. 

 

They put him there, and they tolerate corruption that's now basically widespread and in plain site. 

 

I was thinking before about how I'd seen something years ago about the Gestapo and how there wasn't actually that many of them, but that it was dependent on people grassing their neighbours up and keeping each other under surveilance. That's basically what you've got here now, the Tories aren't really the enemy - they are what they are, Tory gonna Tory, the enemy are the people around you, people who live at the back of you, accross the office from you, the random racist relative, the cancer is widespread and malignant. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stickman said:

Nah this is a bloke who missed numerous COBRA meetings , calls to order mass supplies of PPR were waved away , ignored scientific warnings about the virus and failed to lockdown early that has since cost thousands of lives , and was just February.

Since then it’s been continual fuck up after fuck and each fuck up has led to more and more deaths and yet if there was an election tomorrow he’d win again as now they and their mates in the media are blaming teachers ruining the futures of poor working class children’s futures (which is a joke after 10 years of austerity) when In reality they’re trying to stay safe and halt the threat of the virus 

 

I just think when shit starts to affect you and yours and it’s not just affecting other people, things may start to turn. When these old Tory voters can’t get the vaccine, or your parents and grandparents can’t get it, and it’s due to government incompetence, the worm may start to turn. We’re also seeing it with schools, I heard some woman from Surrey on the radio earlier going apeshit that her kids school is having to stay open whilst another school down the road is closing simply because it’s another borough. She simply couldn’t understand how it was safe for one school to open whilst another just a few hundred yards away has to stay closed. As I said when their shitness starts to affect you, you start to take notice.

 

We will see, hopefully enough people are pissed off with them that the local elections in May are a shitfest for them.

[Section_31]

I dunno what to make of the vaccine stuff, I think if infections are going nuts then their  thinking would seem to be  to give more people 70% protection than fewer people 95%, which I suppose makes sense. It's a big if though and the problem with a government and a leader that lies all the time is that, well, you can't trust them. Not fun really when it's potentially a matter of life and death. 

 

 

[johnsusername]

Life is just one big wheeze to these private schools cunts. Being an MP is just an opportunity to grease the wheels  of industry for a couple of years, get a queen's honour for the family name, then move back into the private sector to make some proper money with those wheels you earlier greased. They couldn't give less of a shit about the general public. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Moo said:

Of course. 

I was being slightly sarcastic re those who have played it down saying it doesn't affect the vast majority of the population etc etc.  Nevertheless I still think the initial focus for the vaccine should be on the most vulnerable, perhaps those who received shielding letters back in March (which according to the BBC was about a million) and those in care homes.

I might be wrong, but I think those shielding letters (1.5m iirc) went only to those outside the age groups that had been instructed to shield. So there's the 1.5m plus however may oldies there are. As I understand what is happening now, they're doing care homes (staff and residents) and the over 80s (I know of some over 80s who've had the 1st jab and were due the 2nd next week). Next in line are over 75s, NHS workers (although that's clearly begun in some roles) and the 1.5m on that list. My ma is over 70 but under 75 and I am on that list (cancer remission, but not full remission) and we checked the website that predicts where you'd be in the queue and I was in front of her. So I do think they're pretty much scheduling it in the way you mention, it's just going forward nobody is going to get the 2nd jab for 3 months. 

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, Mudface said:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1344774555718590464.html

 

Summary of the Imperial report on the new strain. It's very grim reading and probably explains the desperation to get the vaccine out more quickly. As was obvious since they reopened, schools are a big driver of this.

I've just read through that thread. They touch on what could be causing the rise is because the kids are symptomatic when with the previous strain they weren't. Yet seem to make no attempt to consider it just might not be more contagious but more symptomatic. They just seem to go "we know about that, but we're not arsed". I'll start to believe this is more contagious when other countries confirm it because I don't believe anything any of them say any more. And that includes the scientists, as they just seem to bow to government pressure at the drop of a hat. The whole system for me has zero credibility. It's like this mixing of vaccine thing they're allowing. When just days ago they said this wouldn't be done without a trial to understand the results. 

[Barrington Womble]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/02/cancer-operations-face-cancellation-across-london-as-covid-patients-fill-hospitals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

Cancer operations face cancellation across London as Covid patients fill hospitals

Exclusive: lifesaving surgery to be postponed in capital as cases top 57,000, while other parts of UK brace for effects of Christmas Day mixing

 

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NHS bosses are set to cancel urgent surgery across London in a move that could mean cancer patients waiting months for potentially lifesaving operations, the Observer can reveal.

 

NHS England chiefs are considering the drastic action because hospitals across the capital are becoming overwhelmed by people who are very sick with Covid-19.

 

The operations likely to be cancelled, known as “priority two” procedures, mainly involve surgery for cancer where specialists have judged that the patients need to be operated on within four weeks. Any delay could allow their tumour to grow, the disease to spread or both, thus reducing their chances of survival.

 

Health service executives and cancer experts fear patients’ cancers may worsen, or even become inoperable, if surgery is postponed for an unknown length of time.

 

“These are operations that are curative if done within four weeks but if you wait longer they may not be so effective”, said one senior London NHS figure. “The impact of this on patients’ health depends on when they get rebooked. Delaying cancer surgery can lead to tumours growing or spreading – and worse outcomes.”

 

 

The situation has arisen because London hospitals are running out of intensive care beds and thus cannot perform types of cancer surgery that would require an ICU bed for the patient to recover in.

 

These operations are the second most pressing of the four categories of surgery the NHS undertakes. Priority four cases are elective procedures that can be deferred for longer than three months; priority three operations should be done within three months; and priority two should be done within 28 days. The only types deemed more urgent are emergency operations, which need to be done within 24 or 72 hours.

 

The decision came as the UK recorded a further 57,725 cases of Covid-19, the fifth day running that the figure has topped 50,000. A further 445 deaths were also recorded on Saturday.

 

In another sign of the intense strain on the capital’s NHS, five hospitalson Saturday had to divert emergency patients to other hospitals because their A&E units were so overloaded.

 

Meanwhile, senior doctors and hospital bosses are warning that the NHS is at risk of becoming “maxed out”, with a widespread shutdown of normal care, because of the surging number of Covid cases needing hospital care.

 

They fear that the inter-household mixing that was allowed in some parts of the UK on Christmas Day will lead to a further rise in the already dramatic numbers of people becoming very ill.

 

“When you factor in that any surge in infections due to Christmas mixing may only just have started to show, it’s clear that the situation could get even worse over the next 10-21 days as the effects of Christmas and New Year become apparent,” said Dr Nick Scriven of the Society for Acute Medicine, which represents many hospital doctors.

 

“The NHS could well reach a ‘maxed out’ stage that will manifest itself as cancellation of all non-acute work, in terms of operations and clinics, causing further chaos to those waiting for treatment.” The crisis is so grave that the suspension of non-Covid care could last until Easter, he added.

 

Nicki Credland, chair of the British Association of Critical Care Nurses, said: “Some hospitals are now running at up to 200% of their pre-Covid capacity. This is putting massive pressure on staff. We’ve not yet seen the effects of mixing on Christmas Day: there is a two- to three-week timelag. The risk of overwhelming services is a very real one.”

 

 

Credland and NHS Providers, which represents hospital trusts in England, warned that the quality of care inpatients receive could suffer because of staff shortages and the strain on hospitals.

 

“There is significant staff sickness, which impacts on safe staffing levels. Ultimately, this will compromise patient care,” said Credland. Some trusts, she said, are already using one critical care nurse to care for three or even four very sick patients at a time, when the norm is 1:1.

 

Saffron Cordery, deputy chief executive of NHS Providers, said hospitals were supporting each other where they could, for example by taking patients from busy neighbours: “There’s a real concern that things could get worse before they get better. And given the increasing demand, alongside high levels of staff absences caused by the virus, it’s going to be harder to ensure the right quality of care for patients, many of whom are very sick.”

 

Key London hospital preparing for Covid-only care as cases surge

Dr Alison Pittard, the dean of the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, said: “I share the concern that the already dire situation facing the NHS will get even worse over the next few weeks, given the huge spike in infections and hospitalisations, and given that many hospitals are already close to being overwhelmed.

 

“Numbers [of people in hospital with Covid] are already higher than in April – and the relaxation of restrictions on Christmas Day, and people not following ‘hands, face, space’, will lead to increased transmissions, translating to hospital admissions in a few weeks.

 

“I don’t think the NHS will collapse. But it will be hard, and the NHS is likely to cancel some normal activity and perhaps use the Nightingale hospitals for less sick patients, to free up hospital capacity.”

 

Macmillan Cancer Support’s director of policy, Steven McIntosh, said: “Any cancer patient who sees delays to tests or treatment as a result of these extreme NHS pressures will be desperately anxious and scared. It is critical that any changes to cancer care are carefully discussed with patients and are based on their individual needs, to ensure they access vital tests and treatment and are kept safe from the virus.”

[Section_31]

How come the shitbirds haven't drafted in the private sector like they did in April? Shit loads of empty beds and staff sat around planning their next holiday, national emergency style shit this. During the war they used to pull up people's railings and turn them into Spitfires.  

[3 Stacks]

There are a few too many "we're going to engineer resistant and worse variants of Covid with some of our treatment and vaccination protocols" theories going about that sound annoyingly plausible.

[mattyq]

Things are not looking good

 

 

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

They (the UK) do not have access to anywhere near the amount of vaxx they have suggested. All this other stuff is trying to mask (heh) that fact.

I agree hence the decision to spread out the doses in the face of objections from the Vax co boffins. The stupid cunts wont even listen to people that developed the fucking thing . Apart from the danger the single dose wont protect it will encourage people to lower their guard in the false belief they are immune. It will spread more of the virus throughout the community as a result giving it more time to mutate and possibly become immune to vax. I can honestly see the Government fucking up the whole thing so badly we end up in a worse state with a rampant strain of the virus that will need a whole new vaccine required to combat it.  

 

The success of the plan hinges on getting as many double doses out as quickly as possible to the majority of the population. This bunch of lying shitstains are so corrupt and incompetent I can't see it being possible.  

[Section_31]

Looking at those graphs it basically looks like lockdown wasn't long enough? We should have a six week total lockdown like Northern Ireland, kids off school, and people should only be leaving the house to get a jab. We're so close to the end of this now, anything else is willfully throwing away lives. 

[magicrat]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

Looking at those graphs it basically looks like lockdown wasn't long enough? We should have a six week total lockdown like Northern Ireland, kids off school, and people should only be leaving the house to get a jab. We're so close to the end of this now, anything else is willfully throwing away lives. 

Mate I don't think we are near the end or even close. 

[mattyq]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Looking at those graphs it basically looks like lockdown wasn't long enough? We should have a six week total lockdown like Northern Ireland, kids off school, and people should only be leaving the house to get a jab. We're so close to the end of this now, anything else is willfully throwing away lives. 

We're near the end if they don't fuck up the vaccine rollout

My hope would be that things start looking better in April

[Moo]

5 minutes ago, mattyq said:

We're near the end if they don't fuck up the vaccine rollout

Errr, it's already not looking great.

[Moo]

18 minutes ago, magicrat said:

I agree hence the decision to spread out the doses in the face of objections from the Vax co boffins. The stupid cunts wont even listen to people that developed the fucking thing . Apart from the danger the single dose wont protect it will encourage people to lower their guard in the false belief they are immune. It will spread more of the virus throughout the community as a result giving it more time to mutate and possibly become immune to vax. I can honestly see the Government fucking up the whole thing so badly we end up in a worse state with a rampant strain of the virus that will need a whole new vaccine required to combat it.  

 

The success of the plan hinges on getting as many double doses out as quickly as possible to the majority of the population. This bunch of lying shitstains are so corrupt and incompetent I can't see it being possible.  

All of this.  It's so unimaginable that they could get it so wrong, you have to hope these fears are somewhat unfounded and they're more confident in the plan than they're letting on.

[magicrat]

13 minutes ago, Moo said:

All of this.  It's so unimaginable that they could get it so wrong, you have to hope these fears are somewhat unfounded and they're more confident in the plan than they're letting on.

They have no credible plan and are making it up as they go along and the media for the most part lap it up then regurgitate it to the masses. At the moment they are lying about the number of doses at hand and making policy to fit that reality , ignoring expert advice . I am pleased to see more and more health-workers getting on social media and telling it like it is. Despite all efforts to gag them social media is the best chance we have of getting the Government held to account and a grown-up put in charge of vaccinations.  My prediction is Johnson will be thrown under his battle bus very soon .

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, magicrat said:

They have no credible plan and are making it up as they go along and the media for the most part lap it up then regurgitate it to the masses. At the moment they are lying about the number of doses at hand and making policy to fit that reality , ignoring expert advice . I am pleased to see more and more health-workers getting on social media and telling it like it is. Despite all efforts to gag them social media is the best chance we have of getting the Government held to account and a grown-up put in charge of vaccinations.  My prediction is Johnson will be thrown under his battle bus very soon .

Spot on that except the last sentence. I think that cunt got some type of vaccine that prevents the majority of people seeing him for the cunt he is. 

[Megadrive Man]

Haven't Pfizer already confirmed that there is no evidence that 1 dose works and that you should stick to the 21 days between injections?

[Megadrive Man]

My girlfriends auntie has had the first dose of the vaccine. She wasn't supposed to yet, but they arrived at the hospital she works at and didn't have anywhere to store it so they had to frantically start giving it to hospital staff so as not to waste it!

 

No doubt there will be many of these sort of stories over the next few weeks.

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

My girlfriends auntie has had the first dose of the vaccine. She wasn't supposed to yet, but they arrived at the hospital she works at and didn't have anywhere to store it so they had to frantically start giving it to hospital staff so as not to waste it!

 

No doubt there will be many of these sort of stories over the next few weeks.

Is she up to 4 bars yet? 

[Section_31]

9 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

My girlfriends auntie has had the first dose of the vaccine. She wasn't supposed to yet, but they arrived at the hospital she works at and didn't have anywhere to store it so they had to frantically start giving it to hospital staff so as not to waste it!

 

No doubt there will be many of these sort of stories over the next few weeks.

Ah the old "fridge is broken" trick eh? I did the same thing with some minted lamb grills and sausages back in the day.

[Harry's Lad]

24 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Spot on that except the last sentence. I think that cunt got some type of vaccine that prevents the majority of people seeing him for the cunt he is. 

Now that the Brexit deal has been done and is now in play, the 1922 Committee may well be plotting his demise as we speak.

 

[Barrington Womble]

26 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

Now that the Brexit deal has been done and is now in play, the 1922 Committee may well be plotting his demise as we speak.

 

I don't see that myself. It's like how hard it is for the GOP to turn their back on trump. Like trump, he tapped into a section of the community their party had never done before. With trump it's mostly people who didn't vote, with Johnson it's the disolussioned labour voters of the north. Both voters feel they've never been heard before and both are incredibly loyal and have made a difference to the right wing parties. And all that was required to get both onside was to wave a flag and blame the foreigners. The Tories, just like the GOP, will be petrified of losing that vote, because without it they're fucked, especially if they those voters vote the other way or split the right wing in two. The 1922 committee are probably desperate to get rid of Johnson, but while he keeps those voters onside, they won't turn against him.