US Election Thread 2016

[Fowlers God]

 

Actually on my FB

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Ohhh, a drone shot of the BBC billboard. My life is now fulfilled. Fucking dicks. 

[Em City]

Look on the bright side.

 

If you're a big Mad Max fan, the next four years will be the most vivid of interactive experiences.

[Trumo]

Actually on my FB

 

How are you friends with them?

[s(k)aturation]

The thing is, the "free" world is going to have to come up with a viable alternative to career politicians with extremely dubious track records... or risk more raving fucking lunatics getting a foothold.

[Red Phoenix]

a raving fucking lunatic.

 

That's what Clinton was to me as well with her anti-Russia hysteria and no fly zone plans. She could've been a serious threat to the world but you can all just conveniently brush that off because it's not going to happen now. Well no matter what Trump does, Clinton could've done something seriously bad as well with that attitude towards Russia and Syria, no matter how much you all deny it.

 

Later.

[Fowlers God]

How are you friends with them?

I've asked myself the same question-

[Mr Nando]

Looked it up. Trump is a Fascist.

 

You need to look up "race" and learn that there's no such thing. Doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist, sadly.

Whites hating blacks in America is racist.

Me hating America doesn't make me a racist. 

 

Well that's nice what definition did you look up? Because there is no agreed upon definition.

 

Italian fascism was vastly different from German national socialism and both were completely different to Franco's Spain and Salazar's Portugal Do you class all these countries as fascist? All had differing views on how to run the economy and what came first the party or the nation state.

 

Do you class Soviet Russia under Stalin as fascist? Because Stalinism is a lot closer to Nazisim then Salazar's government was.

[Kevin D]

It's been discussed here.There's undoubtedly some truth to it.

 

The fact that Clinton is an elite political insider - and ran as dull, conventional and uninspiring a campaign as Trump's was execrable - was a bigger factor I think.

I think Sanders and Obama would have wiped the floor with Trump. He was an incredibly weak candidate and an easy win for anybody who was likeable/trustworthy and not perceived to be in bed with the establishment.

[Champ]

It America. If you stick enough stars and stripes on it, they'll buy it .

Which is why no-one ever seems to call him out on the 'make America great again' bollocks. Because unless you are a wealthy white man, when did this utopia ever exist? And they're richer than they've ever been now

[lifetime fan]

Actually on my FB

I really wouldn't want to make that public if I were you.

[s(k)aturation]

I think Sanders and Obama would have wiped the floor with Trump. He was an incredibly weak candidate and an easy win for anybody who was likeable/trustworthy and not perceived to be in bed with the establishment.

Agreed.

That's why I think it was more down to her being crap - rather than a woman - that she lost.

[Anubis]

I don't normally come over to this side of the forum but I just wanted to register my horror at it all. Words actually fail me.

[Spy Bee]

My take on it is that NeoLiberal governments in the UK and US represent only the very few rich. This has led to people across the entire political spectrum feeling unrepresented, disenfranchised and pissed off. The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

You either support Clinton or you're in league with Trump!

 

Fucking butthurt, triggered bullshit. I was waiting for the Clintonoids to turn and here we go. Fuck all of your shithouse guilt tripping, just because I wanted Stein to do well.

 

Absolutely pathetic, gaslighting bullshit. There's no Trump supporters here so you're just having a go at someone who supported the Green Party instead. Wow.

 

Well at least I wanted a left wing candidate to do well instead of a fucking wall street psychopath that destroyed Libya. Hopefully she'll not be back in 4 years time. Time to have a break from the thread, this is completely stupid.

 

Russia!

Does anyone on here actually support Clinton?

 

Anyone?

 

To paraphrase Rich Hall, sure she was only the lesser of two evils - but that's still the lesser evil!

 

The contest was between a bog-standard corrupt Washington/Wall Street insider and a Fascist. Spoiling your ballot by voting for a Green or Libertarian or that bloke with a welly on his head is akin to Switzerland remaining neutral at the height of Nazism. When the Fascists are around, you're either with them or against them.

 

You have consistently argued against the only person who could have stopped this Fascist and you've barely raised a word of criticism against him. And today you're having a hearty chuckle at his triumph.

 

You see why it makes you look like you're on his side?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

My take on it is that NeoLiberal governments in the UK and US represent only the very few rich. This has led to people across the entire political spectrum feeling unrepresented, disenfranchised and pissed off. The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

So they voted for some other billionaires.

 

People are easily gulled.

[Cardie]

My take on it is that NeoLiberal governments in the UK and US represent only the very few rich. This has led to people across the entire political spectrum feeling unrepresented, disenfranchised and pissed off. The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

A protest vote against those who protect the rich and big business by voting for the rich and big business?

[s(k)aturation]

The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

That's the good that can come out of this - we just have to make sure it's good. Putting Trump to one side, I mean.

[Chairman Meow]

I don't normally come over to this side of the forum but I just wanted to register my horror at it all. Words actually fail me.

 

Ah come on. The GF isn't that bad. 

 

Which is why no-one ever seems to call him out on the 'make America great again' bollocks. Because unless you are a wealthy white man, when did this utopia ever exist? And they're richer than they've ever been now

 

We have the same here as well, Britain has never been Great for the majority. It seems to be a nostalgia for when we ruled half the globe through slavery, a sprinkling of selective ethnic cleansing and treating the lower classes in our own country only slightly better than the slaves were. 

[Spy Bee]

A protest vote against those who protect the rich and big business by voting for the rich and big business?

The point is this is as rebellious as they could possibly be. Sanders was the best candidate for the Democrats, but they stacked the cards against him with the Superdelegates. Sanders in't owned by Big Business and is a man of principle. Trump isn't owned by Big Business and well... that's where the similarities end.

[SasaS]

My take on it is that NeoLiberal governments in the UK and US represent only the very few rich. This has led to people across the entire political spectrum feeling unrepresented, disenfranchised and pissed off. The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

I think it is about immigration, people's fears and globalization, not neo-liberalism as such. Perception of a growing number of people that the establishment isn't addressing those issues properly. "Preserving the way of life" will be the dominant issue in Western politics over the next years, as the inevitable decline of the West accelerates.

[PestiRed]

Which is why no-one ever seems to call him out on the 'make America great again' bollocks. Because unless you are a wealthy white man, when did this utopia ever exist? And they're richer than they've ever been now

They want the American Dream back. The idea that a hard-working, non-college educated person can get a steady job that earns them enough to buy a house, raise a family, save for kids to go to college and provide for a reasonable retirement. No one has had the balls to explain to them that these days are long gone and will never return

[Guest Pistonbroke]

My take on it is that NeoLiberal governments in the UK and US represent only the very few rich. This has led to people across the entire political spectrum feeling unrepresented, disenfranchised and pissed off. The vote is one of rebellion. It's scary, but it does surely signal a change in politics.

 

So they voted for the other shit party, led by a lunatic, who will represent the very few rich but just use different soundbites. The vote may be a rebellious one but fuck all will change, thinking otherwise is deluded. Not just America, but the World has had the same shit dressed up in various disguises for more or less since modern politics began. 

[stringvest]

The point is this is as rebellious as they could possibly be. Sanders was the best candidate for the Democrats, but they stacked the cards against him with the Superdelegates. Sanders in't owned by Big Business and is a man of principle. Trump isn't owned by Big Business and well... that's where the similarities end.

Trump is now owned by big business.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Trump is now owned by big business.

 

Which he has always been a part of himself.