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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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41 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I have never met, or even encountered online, anyone who meets that description. (I know plentyof women I could describe as modern feminists; none of them hate men. I don't know what "third-wave" means.)

You haven't spent much time on Twitter, then. It's tribalism but with women having a greater in-group preference, it's amplified.

 

This article, though talking about political tribalism, makes a similar point about us retreating to essentialist, rather than value-based, groupthink.

 

https://quillette.com/2018/11/06/blame-modern-life-for-political-strife/

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If anyone still has even the slightest notion that the media in this country are interested in anything of actual importance, in the midst of the biggest self-inflicted catastrofuck this country has ever seen (not to mention homelessness, universal credit, NHS at breaking point etc etc), the front page of today's Daily Mail will soon put you right.

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Where do they find these people?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-who-lied-to-avoid-speeding-charge-compares-herself-to-jesus-d9tlpjg2t

 

The Labour MP found guilty of lying to police to avoid a speeding charge has compared herself to Jesus and Moses in a defiant message to her colleagues.

 

Fiona Onasanya, 35, was suspended and urged to quit the Commons by the Labour Party yesterday after her conviction for perverting the course of justice.

 

The solicitor lied “persistently and deliberately” to police about who was driving her car in an attempt to avoid penalty points after it was recorded at 41mph in a 30mph zone near Thorney in her Peterborough constituency.

 

But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.

 

She wrote: “As many of you are already aware, due to widespread media coverage, I was found guilty of perverting the course of justice. Although I vigorously maintained my innocence, the jury has decided that I am guilty.

 

“I campaigned for justice and for the interests of ordinary people throughout my entire working life to date, but it is this which has made both national and international press. The first jury was dismissed having failed to reach a decision last month but the second jury reached their conclusion within days.”

 

She continued: “Regardless of what you believe or suspect, the fact remains that I Fiona, sought to be the choice and voice of change — but this may now take a different path. More than ever before I am asking that you commit time in prayer for my family.

 

“In times like these the natural inclination of believers is to ask God why? I personally do not, because in my experience the answers are usually far above and beyond my reach. What I do know is that I am in good biblical company along with Joseph, Moses, Daniel and his three Hebrew friends who were each found guilty by the courts of their day.

 

“While God did not save them from a guilty verdict he did save them in it and ensured that their greatest days of impact were on the other side of a guilty verdict. Of course this is equally true of Christ who was accused and convicted by the courts of his day and yet this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter in his story.

 

“Please pray that my family will find peace and strength in this perilous time through this guilty verdict.”

Labour cannot force Ms Onasanya to stand down, although by urging her to resign they effectively called for a by-election in the seat which she narrowly won from the Conservative last year by 607 votes.

 

Ms Onasanya was accused of colluding with her brother Festus, who a week before the original trial admitted perverting the course of justice to avoid speeding prosecutions on three occasions, including this incident. He already had nine points and risked losing his licence and his job if he incurred any more. The brother and sister face possible jail terms when they are sentenced at the Old Bailey at a future date.

 

MPs are automatically disqualified from holding their seat if they are sentenced to more than a year in jail. Under laws introduced in 2015 any prison term, even a suspended one, can trigger a “recall” petition. This can force a by-election if signed by 10 per cent of voters in a constituency.

 

In court Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, described Ms Onasanya as honest and trustworthy, citing her faith.

In a character witness statement read out in court, Mr Brown said his colleague was “a decent, outgoing character” who was committed to her work in her constituency and as a parliamentarian.

 

He said: “She is a person of strong personal beliefs rooted in her religious faith.

 

“I judge her to be honest, trustworthy and reliable.”

 

Ms Oansanya has previously said: “My faith is very, very important. I like to take care of what I call my ‘spirit man’ which is to make sure that I’m always positive and looking at the best in things. My faith shapes my perspective,” she said.

 

“When I won the election I put my hands together, looked up and said ‘thank you and thank you’. Without Him I could not do this. That is my belief.”

 

Ms Onasanya was contacted for comment.

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8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Just don't know why you would take a risk like that just for speeding. If she does time though she'll be in good company, half the Lords have been sent down before.

 

I always tell my missus that I’ll take any points of hers if she ever gets them because her legs will be working long after mine have given up the ghost. Neither of us have got any points like but that’s not to say we’ve never gone over the speed limit. 

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42 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Imagine being a "comedian" big fan of Tony Blair plus hater of all things Corbyn and in your haste to have a dig at said leader you end up being owned by of all people Heartless Brewer.

 

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If Matt Forde appears on anything on tv I have to turn over or I'll put my foot through the screen! An absolutely fuckwitted tory lite cockwomble who is about as funny as a dose of bad AIDS!

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We get the politics we deserve. The yanks deserved Trump and they've got him, rather than bring him down he'll runout his term then end up on Dancing on Ice or something, Spicer is teaching at Harvard FFS. 

 

Top jobs for Osborne, Clegg, Blair, all of them rolling in cash. Corbyn the bad guy for wearing a rain coat.

 

Nuke us from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

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Just now, Section_31 said:

We get the politics we deserve. The yanks deserved Trump and they've got him, rather than bring him down he'll runout his term then end up on Dancing on Ice or something, Spicer is teaching at Harvard FFS. 

 

Top jobs for Osborne, Clegg, Blair, all of them rolling in cash. Corbyn the bad guy for wearing a rain coat.

 

Nuke us from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Like your thinking, vote S31!

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Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

I’ve always hated that idiom, and that’s one of the reasons why; more people voted for Hillary than Trump. 

Regardless of the perculiarities of their system, the grotesque shitstain should never in a million years been anything other than a joke outsider. 

 

He mastered the ability to deliver simple solutions to complex problems. If you asked a six year old how they'd stop people from getting from one country into another they'd say 'build a great big wall'. If you asked them  how to defeat an enemy they'd say 'drop a big bomb, the mother of all bombs'. 

 

A generation of people incapable of reading past a headline to the point where they'd be taken in by some blag headline produced by some barely literate fat cunt in a Belarus basement on the Kremlin's nipple. They all fell for it hook, line, und sinker. 

 

Exactly the same here, no difference at all. Vast majority incapable of digesting anything other than a headline shared on Facebook or of informing themselves of the real issues - that's why they're all into this 'poverty porn' I raised on the other thread. Simple stories (bloke cuts homeless man's hair) (Corbyn calls woman stupid, Corbyn wears rain coat in rain). 

 

Fuck'em. As their living standards continue to erode and they find themselves on that crumbling edge Indiana Jones style, I'll have no sympathy.    

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16 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

This is Kremlin propaganda, it really isn't what happened at all. This "undermining" amounted to four retweets of articles critical of Corbyn, from the likes of the New Statesman and politics.co.uk. They also retweeted stuff that was critical of the Tories (more than four articles, incidentally). Some covert operation that is publicly tweeting stuff from mainstream media outlets. Their whole raison d'etre is to target disinformation from Russia, which they are totally open and above board about.

 

Stronts returns to classic mode.

 

From what I can see from them and similar groups, one of the main reasons they exist is to generate disinformation about Russia, not target from. Probably funded by NATO, US state dept, neocons and several other fucked up groups.

 

A few tweets about Jezza is one of the least things that concerns me about them.

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1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

‘Probably funded by NATO’. Well alright then. 

Well I'm not gonna say they "are" funded by them when I'm not 100% sure, but after having a look around a bit and knowing what some of these groups are like I'd guess it's true. Have seen the supposedly hacked documents and it says they applied for funding from NATO, State Dept and others, but I'm not so sure they actually got that as it doesn't seem to be confirmed.

 

It's been reported in several places that it's the case though and Max Blumenthal has ran with it too who I think is a decent journo, so I'll just join him and others in being wrong if it's not true.

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