How long can we carrry a player like Sterling?

[Cardie]

Just give him what he wants. If not somebody else will.

Yeah let's, I mean let's pay him like he's one of the top few players in the world. Then when he shows marginal improvement or decides he wants a new contract in two years time we can give him whatever he wants again.

 

Maybe if we're lucky he'll let us pay him 50% of our turnover to show how ace we are.

 

I think that's called the Seth Johnson technique.

 

 

[Major Tom]

Yeah let's, I mean let's pay him like he's one of the top few players in the world.

 

May as well hurl in a straw man.

 

Always adds to a debate.

[ZonkoVille77]

Sterling is one hamstring injury away from potentially losing his pace. Then we're stuck with a good player not a great player, on mad money. Football is gick these days.

[Cardie]

May as well hurl in a straw man.

 

Always adds to a debate.

Why wouldn't any player (or his agent) want to be paid like one of the top players in the world?

 

[Major Tom]

Why wouldn't any player (or his agent) want to be paid like one of the top players in the world?

 

You think Sterling is asking for £300k a week? Or whatever they are reported to be on.

[Cardie]

Sterling is one hamstring injury away from potentially losing his pace. Then we're stuck with a good player not a great player, on mad money. Football is gick these days.

Yep, he backs his ability as one of the best players then incentivise his contract with a more modest base salary and performance related pay to supplement it.

 

2 or 3 years time when he's actually matching his talk with consistent performances renegotiate for a larger base salary and less performance related add ons.

 

 

[Cardie]

You think Sterling is asking for £300k a week? Or whatever they are reported to be on.

No, I said why wouldn't any player or agent WANT to be paid like the best player in the world.

 

[Major Tom]

2 or 3 years time when he's actually matching his talk with consistent performances renegotiate for a larger base salary and less performance related add ons.

 

Yes, in an ideal world. A world where we don't need him more than he needs us. But we don't live in that world so Sterling holds the aces.

 

So, it's either pay up or sell up. They are the alternatives.

[Major Tom]

No, I said why wouldn't any player or agent WANT to be paid like the best player in the world.

 

Are you trying to make a point here? Or are you just asking an irrelevant question?

[Cardie]

So, it's either pay up or sell up. They are the alternatives.

I have no problems with option 2.

 

 

[Major Tom]

I have no problems with option 2.

 

Fair enough.

[Cardie]

Are you trying to make a point here? Or are you just asking an irrelevant question?

Just correcting your misunderstanding.

 

 

[Major Tom]

Just correcting your misunderstanding.

 

So, you weren't making a point. Just asking a pointless question.

 

Righto.

 

And your original post about 'paying him like the best players in the world' was the straw man I called it out to be.

[moof]

May as well hurl in a straw man.

 

Always adds to a debate.

I've counted multiple straw men on the last page alone. This argument is stupid now, may as well bow out.

[moof]

Yeah, nah.

 

 

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Yeah. How short is your memory?

[Cardie]

So, you weren't making a point. Just asking a pointless question.

 

Righto.

 

And your original post about 'paying him like the best players in the world' was the straw man I called it out to be.

No you just seem to struggle to differentiate.

 

What someone wants and what they ask for are often two different things. You remove the barrier by giving them what they want and you open yourself up to lots of issues.

[The Golden Eel]

And the award for longest post of the year goes to.......

It's got to be Tony Manero?

[Hand Shandy]

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[Cardie]

I've counted multiple straw men on the last page alone. This argument is stupid now, may as well bow out.

What do you do in a years time, having overpaid this time, when he wants a new deal. Given our new generous give him anything approach to the negotiations how do you prevent it happening with all players existing and new?

 

It's easy to say give him what he asks when you're treating the deal in isolation, not so easy when you have multiple other issues to consider as well.

 

 

[Major Tom]

No you just seem to struggle to differentiate.

 

What someone wants and what they ask for are often two different things. You remove the barrier by giving them what they want and you open yourself up to lots of issues.

 

What point are you trying to make here, Cardie? 

 

We all (probably) would like to be paid £300k a week. So what. What actually is your point? What's the relevance to Sterling?

[moof]

No you just seem to struggle to differentiate.

 

What someone wants and what they ask for are often two different things. You remove the barrier by giving them what they want and you open yourself up to lots of issues.

When someone says 'pay him what he wants' they don't mean a limitless amount. They mean 'come to an agreement where the player is happy to sign a contract even if we have to pay a little bit over what we wanted'

 

But you already knew that.

[Section_31]

It's telling that the main arguments for paying him what he wants seem to be based on (a) what he could become rather than what he is now and/or (b) how it will look if we lose him. 

 

We're starting to remind me of a mid table team that produces a quality player every now and then and dreads losing them. 

[moof]

What do you do in a years time, having overpaid this time, when he wants a new deal. Given our new generous give him anything approach to the negotiations how do you prevent it happening with all players existing and new?

 

It's easy to say give him what he asks when you're treating the deal in isolation, not so easy when you have multiple other issues to consider as well.

He'll already have a contract that reflects his value and there won't be teams willing to trump us. Hence, no problems.

 

Really don't understand what point you're making, nobody is advocating an open cheque book policy.

[Moo]

We're starting to remind me of a mid table team that produces a quality player every now and then and dreads losing them.

Exactly.

[Major Tom]

It's telling that the main arguments for paying him what he wants seem to be based on (a) what he could become rather than what he is now and/or ( B) how it will look if we lose him. 

 

We're starting to remind me of a mid table team that produces a quality player every now and then and dreads losing them. 

 

So, again, pay up or sell up, S? It may well come to that.