Thatcher.

[piscinin]

Now is the time to reveal truth about Thatcher’s response to Hillsborough.

 

...

 

 

Don't the times mind you breaching their paywall?

[JohnnyH]

...Now is the time to reveal truth about Thatcher’s response to Hillsborough.....

 

Thanks Tony. Well written as usual. Just a shame this, and more articles like it couldn’t have come out while she was still alive.

[navbasi]

Margaret Thatcher: a legacy fueled by greed

 

That’s it, she’s gone. And just like when in power, controversy surrounding The Iron Woman is as ever prominent. For those of you who’ve endured my recent Twitter bashing will know all too well; I will not be shedding tears for the loss. It’s not that I seek to disrespect the dead, but with her life ended, it is time to reflect, and it’s her own doing that this reflection contains deep hatred and resentment.

 

Decisions of mass destruction

Thatcher’s time as Prime Minister saw her make a decision, a decision between the economy and the people. As the Government raked in taxes, privatised companies and closed mines, the economy grew whilst the people saw their homes, their jobs, their livelihoods stamped on by one woman’s self-obsessed greed. Thatcher personifies capitalist ruthlessness, and backbone or not, there is no silver lining to that fact.

 

Communities destroyed

It takes little effort to notice the way she single-handedly abolished the entire community of the working class. Today just to drive through an old mining town is all you need to see. Windows boarded up, streets empty, workingmen’s clubs abandoned. This wasn’t the doing of a women building Britain for a better future, she in fact paralysed a country socially reliant on these communities. She “tore the heart out of the mining communities of the North” said David Hopper, the general secretary of Durhan Miners’ Association, “although millionaires like those in David Cameron’s Cabinet certainly did alright”. Greed was the cornerstone of Thatcher’s leadership. Her lust for money, her desire for power, her stubbornness.

This was all too evident in her dealing of Governmental businesses; tossing responsibility of public paid investments to the highest bidder. So little regard for how it would affect the quality says so much of Thatcher’s carelessness. Carelessness that’s still prominent today; I often travel by train in the UK and don’t envy those commuters amongst you, enduring delayed, overpriced services, day in, day out. But you’ve Thatcher to thank for that.

 

The Funeral

When it comes to the burial, the proposal that an individual who destroyed a state would be buried by it’s own resources is ludicrous. If her actions were replicated in any other country, we would condemn them as a tyrant, demand that they step down, are extradited. Yet in the UK, the elite go on giving destructive people like Thatcher a completely unjustified respect, using money ordinary people have earned and neglecting the fact that the Thatcher’s sit on a comfortable sixty-six million. I say justice would be to bury out of her own pocket, and to allow those who lost their livelihoods to be given what they deserved two decades ago.

 

The cover up

And how can we forget the cover up. Another shining example of her ruthless neglect was her part to play – or indeed the part she didn’t play – in the Hillsborough disaster. The tragedy on that day, the loss of life and the corruption involved in its cover-up remains a disgrace to this day. It was carried out by an evil, twisted woman, willing to tarnish an entire city’s reputation and scar the lives of hundreds of families. This is symbolic of Thatcher’s regard for the people of the north. Just yesterday, both Dave Whelan and John Madejski twisted the knife even further into the backs of those associated with Hillsborough; favouring a minute silence at all games this weekend (a weekend that coincides with the 24th anniversary of Hillsborough). Again, a stark reminder of the insensitivity drilled into her minions.

I can stretch only so far as to accept she was determined, but what use does determination serve if it’s to follow-through with her warped vision? Obama claimed she had “broken the glass ceiling for other women”, I can only hope that she is no role model for anyone else in the future.

 

Margaret Thatcher: a legacy fueled by greed | Joey Barton

[Liquid football]

Don't the times mind you breaching their paywall?

 

A paywall for text on the internet is fucking hilarious.

[xerxes]

Who needs Glenda when we have Joey..................

[navbasi]

The BBC have decided they won't pay the full "Ding Dong the witches dead" song when the charts air this Sunday, instead they'll play a 5 second clip. What a joke.

[Lee909]

Fucking Tory loving cunts

[moof]

I wasn't expecting them to play it but fuck them all the same. Cowards. A large percentage of this country truly despise that cunt and it's all being brushed under the carpet.

[Reckoner]

good, it will cause more controversy and discussion, thereby exposing the majorities true feelings to the embarrassment of the establishment. ie bbc. they once pulled 'relax' by frankie cause they realised in was about gay people. The outrage. Meanwhile they were fucking children in the dressing rooms.

[razor]

The BBC have decided they won't pay the full "Ding Dong the witches dead" song when the charts air this Sunday, instead they'll play a 5 second clip. What a joke.

 

I hope it stays at number one. The people have spoken.

 

Those people who didn't have a voice, and those people who still don't have a voice through mainstream media, evidenced by the narrative-establishing UK media coverage - where are dissenting voices? - are able at last to express THEIR feelings about this sham and about the perpetrator of mass misery's passing..

 

Mind you, the parties and this little trick are all being orchestrated by "anarchists".

 

So the question on everybody's lips is, Do anarchists have iTunes accounts?

[Strontium]

Fucking Tory loving cunts

 

 

The idea that the BBC, of all organisations, is Tory-loving in any way, shape or form, is quite hilarious.

[razor]

The idea that the BBC, of all organisations, is Tory-loving in any way, shape or form, is quite hilarious.

 

Oh, come on, Stronts, don't trot out that line again.

 

They used to advertise for posts only in Tory newspapers. Yes, it had a few key people who were socialists in the past. But the reason it's got a reputation for being left wing is that EVERY NOW AND AGAIN they show a documentary or other which Thatcher and her ilk would deem unpatriotic.

 

Look at their coverage of the inner city riots last year and things like The Battle of Ogreave.

 

And they're not exactly been representative of the people in this instance, are they?

 

 

"This is the impartial BBC broadcasting on behalf of the Conservative Party..."

Edited April 12, 2013 by razor
Dimbleby

[Gym Beglin]

I hope it stays at number one. The people have spoken.

 

Those people who didn't have a voice, and those people who still don't have a voice through mainstream media, evidenced by the narrative-establishing UK media coverage - where are dissenting voices? - are able at last to express THEIR feelings about this sham and about the perpetrator of mass misery's passing..

 

Mind you, the parties and this little trick are all being orchestrated by "anarchists".

 

So the question on everybody's lips is, Do anarchists have iTunes accounts?

 

Democracy through music downloads. Sad state of affairs.

[razor]

Democracy through music downloads. Sad state of affairs.

 

True dat.

 

And if you see Sid, tell him.

[Coro]

A large percentage of this country truly despise that cunt and it's all being brushed under the carpet.

 

Why? Because the corporate media aren't broadcasting certain opinions?

 

Fuck them, we know who they pander to and they become more irrelevant with every passing day and they know it.

 

There's this beautiful thing called the world wide web which is teeming with information and provides a platform to voice any dissent.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

 

Don't agree at all. Labour' date=' under Blair, introduced a raft of policies aimed at the lesser privileged. Something Thatcher was never interested in.

 

How people can liken Labour under Blair to the Tories under Thatcher is actually beyond me. In terms of socialist policies anyway. The rest, well, you can't govern from either extreme any more. The Tories will find this out in 2015.[/quote']

 

Blair was certainly facilitated by the policies of the Tories during the 80's, they presented a political climate that allowed him to take the Labour Party in the direction of new labour.

 

As you and others have stated, new labour did engender policies which benefitted those at the lower end of the socio-economic scale, but he also kept up with his buddies at the business end. He was no Tony Benn, but an honest politico such as Benn would never have got to lead the Labour Party at that time, and as such it is moot as to whether a truly socialist labour government would have lasted as long as new labour or achieve quite as much.

It did all turn to shit due to the financial crisis, but I think a hell of a lot of people got a lot more out of life in the halcyon decade of 1997-2007. Life was generally better all around before the bubble burst, but as the old saying goes - you find out who your friends are when the chips are down, and now people are a lot more guarded of the "riches" they acquired when times were good, thus we have the nationalistic daily mail nimby approach adopted much more by what was once the working class, who have now 'invested' so much.

[Dicko]

Why? Because the corporate media aren't broadcasting certain opinions?

 

Fuck them, we know who they pander to and they become more irrelevant with every passing day and they know it.

 

There's this beautiful thing called the world wide web which is teeming with information and provides a platform to voice any dissent.

 

After which you then lose your job because some snide cunt blows you up to the Daily Mail.

[s(k)aturation]

The Young Ones was on the BBC, wasn't it?

It kicked the shit out of Thatcher when she was in her pomp.

Elton, Sayle etc... a bunch of incisive lefties given free reign.

I don't think they advertised for those comedians in The Telegraph.

[Anny Road]

Am I the only one who thinks this Ding Dong thing is a bit shit. Is that the best we can do. Download a fucking song.

I hated Thatcher, still do. I was 9 when she got in and my old man was a docker so I pretty much recon I got it as much in the arse as anyone (except maybe miners).

Not only do I find this whole ding dong thing shit it is also distasteful. We should not take the piss out of the dead especially when we have not had the balls to do it when they were alive.

I am sick of 20 something nobheads lecturing me about something they never lived with.

 

The whole country should have a fancy dress day on the day of the funeral, either that or torch parliament.

[Preston Red]

Why suggesting a minute's silence for Thatcher is a misjudgement of football and its fans - Brian Reade - Mirror Online

 

I can't post the full article as I'm on my phone. The King tells it like it is too.

 

Sorry for posting Mirror articles but Brian Reade is awesome to read on stuff like this.

[s(k)aturation]

Am I the only one who thinks this Ding Dong thing is a bit shit. Is that the best we can do. Download a fucking song.

I hated Thatcher, still do. I was 9 when she got in and my old man was a docker so I pretty much recon I got it as much in the arse as anyone (except maybe miners).

Not only do I find this whole ding dong thing shit it is also distasteful. We should not take the piss out of the dead especially when we have not had the balls to do it when they were alive.

I am sick of 20 something nobheads lecturing me about something they never lived with.

 

The whole country should have a fancy dress day on the day of the funeral, either that or torch parliament.

 

No.

[razor]

The Young Ones was on the BBC, wasn't it?

It kicked the shit out of Thatcher when she was in her pomp.

Elton, Sayle etc... a bunch of incisive lefties given free reign.

I don't think they advertised for those comedians in The Telegraph.

 

Oh dear.

 

So you think a sad and childish "anarchist" making mocking "right on' comments about Thatcher was actually politically motivated?

 

Rick was an ironic parody. "Kicked the shit out of Thatcher"? Which bit was that, then? The stereotype Glaswegian hamster, or the performance of Rip Rig and Panic? Did you watch The Young Ones?? Not exactly Frankfurt School is it?

 

Yes the alternative comedy movement had a political slant, but to use the Young Ones as an example is way off, mate.

 

And aside from BBC2 comedy programmes, let's look at the full BBC canon before we can fairly politically align.

[FanchesterCity]

People voted her in. First time might be forgiven as wanting change...

The second time suggests many were happy with what she was doing.

 

Where are these people now? Still around. Lots of them.

 

I think it's well wide of the mark to believe any majority of people loathe her. Plenty do, plenty don't.

 

Went to a party last night, exactly the same old arguments. One person would argue she killed communities, another would argue they were dying anyway.

One would say she killed mining, another would say more mines were closed under the previous labour regime than during hers.

 

Love her, or hate her, she doesn't matter any more. What's done is done, and we shouldn't forget, but this nation is still in the shit 35 years on, only successive governments have learned to gloss over it far better than they used to.

 

Me personally? I've no time for her. But I'll say this. I wish more politicians had balls. I don't want to be pandered to, I don't want them to be 'guy next door' types. I want them to have real conviction and a bit of fight in them.

 

She's gone now, and people waste their efforts in protest of her. They need to be protesting against TODAY's politicians.

I knew where I stood with Thatcher and Kinnock. Oil and Water, and they didn't mix.... but now I'm served up with a blend fruit blend of Cameron and Milliband and I'm expected to be able to differentiate between their watered down strawberry flavoured policies and their raspberry ones.

[Jack the Sipper]

People voted her in. First time might be forgiven as wanting change...

The second time suggests many were happy with what she was doing.

 

Where are these people now? Still around. Lots of them.

 

I think it's well wide of the mark to believe any majority of people loathe her. Plenty do, plenty don't.

 

Went to a party last night, exactly the same old arguments. One person would argue she killed communities, another would argue they were dying anyway.

One would say she killed mining, another would say more mines were closed under the previous labour regime than during hers.

 

Love her, or hate her, she doesn't matter any more. What's done is done, and we shouldn't forget, but this nation is still in the shit 35 years on, only successive governments have learned to gloss over it far better than they used to.

 

Me personally? I've no time for her. But I'll say this. I wish more politicians had balls. I don't want to be pandered to, I don't want them to be 'guy next door' types. I want them to have real conviction and a bit of fight in them.

 

She's gone now, and people waste their efforts in protest of her. They need to be protesting against TODAY's politicians.

I knew where I stood with Thatcher and Kinnock. Oil and Water, and they didn't mix.... but now I'm served up with a blend fruit blend of Cameron and Milliband and I'm expected to be able to differentiate between their watered down strawberry flavoured policies and their raspberry ones.

 

It would be more accurate to say that a minority of the electorate voted the Tories in. Also, many of the majority of the electorate who never voted her in are also around. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

I'm also fed-up of the trite argument being made in her favour - that she was a 'conviction politican'. Yes, she was, but so were many of the worst despots the world has ever seen. It's not much comfort to know your nation's leader holds fast to their convictions in the face of mass disquiet and social ruin unless you share those convictions.

[xerxes]

In the same way that there was a grief frenzy around Lady Diana’s death so there is a hate frenzy around Thatcher’s death. Both say much about the time.

 

A positive is that the Thatcher era is at last being dispassionately assessed. Such things often require distance. The conviction politician/ defender of freedom tags sit uneasily. She was the friend of one South American despot in Pinochet, but the enemy of another in Galtieri. Harold Wilson closed more pits than she did. She closed more grammar schools than Labour did. She opposed and resisted German reunification. Her sense of empowerment by allowing people to buy their own council houses and owning shares won many ordinary votes, the poll tax lost those same votes. She was a nationalist and a patriot, but she signed the European Union Act which ceded more powers from Westminister than any politician has ever done.

 

The current football dimension is pretty oblique. She didn’t like football and football committed hari-kari in the 80’s with no assistance from her. The Hillsborough debate has become pretty skewed too. The SYP, the FA, the football clubs and the licensing authorities were the ones with something to hide.

 

For me, the period of cool analysis that times like this bring offer far more value than the love her/hate her convulsions can ever offer.