Lib Dems

[ZonkoVille77]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

What's anti-democratic about winning an election and implementing the policies you ran on?

 

Nothing. But that's not what is being suggested, and you know it.

The suggestion is to completely overturn the Referendum, ignoring democracy.

 

Lib Dems: If we win a majority, we'll then cancel Brexit.

17.4m people will can get to fuck, maybe they'll all leave the UK.

 

What's the policy if they don't get a majority? fuck knows, because it's all just a show and so disingenuous. Almost Tory-like.

[Strontium]

25 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Nothing. But that's not what is being suggested, and you know it.

The suggestion is to completely overturn the Referendum, ignoring democracy.

 

Er, overturning the referendum result is the policy we're running on, so yes, that's exactly what it is. You're going to have to explain to me how winning an election would be ignoring democracy.

[ZonkoVille77]

7 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Er, overturning the referendum result is the policy we're running on, so yes, that's exactly what it is. You're going to have to explain to me how winning an election would be ignoring democracy.

 

Because it isn't democracy. It is ignoring the will of 17 million people, just to get what you want.

I am fully behind remain. But the way the Lib Dems are doing it is not democratic.

 

Hypothetically speaking, if the LD's got a majority government and simply cancelled Brexit, do you think people would be OK with that?

At least with Labour's position the decision is fully put to a People's Vote, which is what many Lib Dems were screaming for before Jo Swinson went full Trump. (Never go full Trump)

 

 

[Anubis]

46 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Because it isn't democracy. It is ignoring the will of 17 million people, just to get what you want.

I am fully behind remain. But the way the Lib Dems are doing it is not democratic.

 

Hypothetically speaking, if the LD's got a majority government and simply cancelled Brexit, do you think people would be OK with that?

At least with Labour's position the decision is fully put to a People's Vote, which is what many Lib Dems were screaming for before Jo Swinson went full Trump. (Never go full Trump)

 

 

 

Its because there is a subset of Remainers (usually with FBPE after their twitter handle) who are equally as rabid as their Brexiteer counterparts. It has to be what they want, and only what they want, or else. For both sets.

[Strontium]

45 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Because it isn't democracy. It is ignoring the will of 17 million people, just to get what you want.

I am fully behind remain. But the way the Lib Dems are doing it is not democratic.

 

Hypothetically speaking, if the LD's got a majority government and simply cancelled Brexit, do you think people would be OK with that?

At least with Labour's position the decision is fully put to a People's Vote, which is what many Lib Dems were screaming for before Jo Swinson went full Trump. (Never go full Trump)

 

Winning an election is definitely democracy. I'm pretty sure the experts will back me up on that.

 

Would the people be okay with it? Well, if they're not okay with revoking Brexit, then they probably shouldn't elect a government who promises to revoke Brexit.

 

Incidentally, the Lib Dem position is still to support a second referendum, but if we don't get it and have a general election instead, then we'll treat the general election as a proxy referendum and run on revoke.

 

I'm quite sure Trump wants to see Brexit happen, so I'm unclear how doing the exact opposite of what Trump wants is "going full Trump".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Is little Jo back on the PV train now?

 

 

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Is little Jo back on the PV train now?

 

Did I miss something? When was she off it?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

42 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Did I miss something? When was she off it?

Didn't they pledge to go into a General Election on a platform of Remain - no ifs, no buts, no vote?

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Didn't they pledge to go into a General Election on a platform of Remain - no ifs, no buts, no vote?

 

No, there is a big if, and that's if we don't get a second referendum. We want a second referendum. If we don't get one, we campaign in a general election for revoke.

 

This way, people get to have their democratic say even if parliament denies them a referendum.

[moof]

Gosh, the Lib Dem position on this is so confusing. Shambolic

[A Red]

3 minutes ago, moof said:

Gosh, the Lib Dem position on this is so confusing. Shambolic

I understand it so it cant be that difficult

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

No, there is a big if, and that's if we don't get a second referendum. We want a second referendum. If we don't get one, we campaign in a general election for revoke.

 

This way, people get to have their democratic say even if parliament denies them a referendum.

Cool.

Vote Labour and you'll definitely get a second referendum; that way, you don't have to use the General Election as some sort of proxy referendum. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Incidentally, I just had to neg that Swinson SS picture. I mean, there's plenty to disagree with her about, but that's not quite right.

[Anubis]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Incidentally, I just had to neg that Swinson SS picture. I mean, there's plenty to disagree with her about, but that's not quite right.

 

I thought that was meant to be a certain subset of porn, not a comment on her politics?

 

*puts box of tissues away*

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Anubis said:

 

I thought that was meant to be a certain subset of porn, not a comment on her politics?

 

*puts box of tissues away*

Agreed -- easily the best thing I have seen from her.

[Bjornebye]

#ResignJoSwinson is trending on twitter.

 

 

[Anubis]

37 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

#ResignJoSwinson is trending on twitter.

 

 

Why?

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Why?

Mix of remainers calling her out saying she should side with Corbyn or fuck off and racist weirdos calling her a remaining slut. 

 

Shit thing to be trading really. Has she even stated her position since the SNP pretty much said they would if it meant delaying Brexit? 

 

My suspicion is she is too keen to hold on to her seat and will sit tight, let Brexit happen then try a pointless all out assault on the PM position as the country collapses. 

 

She has a history of being a cunt and all that "no Brexit no matter what" stuff will probably be her usual shite. 

[magicrat]

She may not think the VONC has the numbers . I don't believe she is putting her dislike of Corbyn ahead of a crash out. She would get pilloried if that happened . They need the Tory rebels on board and cant see that happening with JC at the helm. The Lib Dems will come on board if all else fails but for now they want a compromise leader.

[polymerpunkah]

Meanwhile on the deck of the Titanic....

 

"Well, I'm not getting in the life-boat with him until everyone else does!"
 

 

 

 

 

 

[aRdja]

8 hours ago, magicrat said:

She may not think the VONC has the numbers . I don't believe she is putting her dislike of Corbyn ahead of a crash out. She would get pilloried if that happened . They need the Tory rebels on board and cant see that happening with JC at the helm. The Lib Dems will come on board if all else fails but for now they want a compromise leader.

Corbyn IS a compromise leader. He’s being pilloried for his unwillingness to take a binary stance on Brexit!

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Corbyn IS a compromise leader. He’s being pilloried for his unwillingness to take a binary stance on Brexit!

So the Tory rebels will back him ?

 

This is do or die to prevent a train wreck . I don't give a fuck who leads for the next couple of months if it stops the Tories nor should JC if others won't back down. Now is not the time for intransigence from Lab or the LD's

[sir roger]

I think Corbyn should announce he will serve as the nominal head of a government committee comprising all leaders of the opposition parties and a leader identified by the Tory rebels.

 

The second Corbyn went a millimetre away from the agreed aims the alliance would split and an election would be called , so I can’t really see Swinsons and the LDs issue with that if they feel Brexit is such an evil imposition.

 

i think the bigger issue is how many of the Tory ‘rebels’ are hoping for a recall into the fold.

[Mudface]

The remoaner junta, as the Mail will dub it.

[lifetime fan]

SNP are even calling her out now...

 

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson has said an "emergency government" may be necessary but argued that MPs from all parties would not be able to unite around Mr Corbyn as a temporary leader.

She said her party had suggested other MPs as possibilities, including senior MPs who are planning to step down at the next election.

Mr Hosie said: "If another name came forward that was acceptable to everybody, a Ken Clarke or Dominic Grieve-type figure, then self-evidently that would be a good thing to do.

"But it is also self-evidently the case that the second largest party (Labour) should have the first chance to form that administration.

"If Jo Swinson and the Lib Dems are actually serious about their stopping Brexit position then they need to stop playing political games, get on board with everybody else."