Strike Action

[Kepler-186]

36 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It's crazy thinking. He's paying his rent fair and square, just because whilst he has been living their he has increased his pay from being just a railway worker to 70-odd grand plus pension etc, it doesn't mean he should have to move. The idea that one bloke is the problem, not the fact we don't build houses, is a fucking sham. 

Don’t seem to remember many people like her getting upset when house prices pushed many people in London out beyond zone 6 and into having to surrender silly money for season tickets going up each year for on ahem “public” transport to get into their jobs in the “world’s greatest city”. 
 

[No2]

Would Labour not be better off splitting? Looks a win win to me.

[Creator Supreme]

4 minutes ago, No2 said:

Would Labour not be better off splitting? Looks a win win to me.

I like the basic idea of it, but unfortunately it just means splitting the centre to left vote, thus allowing the tories an even easier win!

[Section_31]

I'd genuinely be interested to see what the vote share would be for a Corbyn centric labour without the other labour votes along for the ride. It'd be similar to greens/socialist parties surely?  Unless the youth vote could be highly engaged. But I suspect doorstep voters by and large are less likely to be interested.

[No2]

Just now, Creator Supreme said:

I like the basic idea of it, but unfortunately it just means splitting the centre to left vote, thus allowing the tories an even easier win!

The current model is broken and can only be fixed by expelling everyone that isn't centre. This way at least its done in a clean way and with proper tactical voting the result is the same. The media attacks would all concentrate on the hard left but they will be in seats and area's that they will win regardless. Take the current strikes, if hypothetically there was government of new new Labour (Starmer) , the Lib Dems and old Labour (Lynch for example) then this wouldn't happen, properly paid workers would be a given or the Lynch side of the house pulls the government down.  Coalition of 3 parties with decent levels of power is the best way to run a country. 

[Creator Supreme]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

The current model is broken and can only be fixed by expelling everyone that isn't centre. This way at least its done in a clean way and with proper tactical voting the result is the same. The media attacks would all concentrate on the hard left but they will be in seats and area's that they will win regardless. Take the current strikes, if hypothetically there was government of new new Labour (Starmer) , the Lib Dems and old Labour (Lynch for example) then this wouldn't happen, properly paid workers would be a given or the Lynch side of the house pulls the government down.  Coalition of 3 parties with decent levels of power is the best way to run a country. 

Interesting idea, I wouldn't be against it, but don't forget about our sole Green MP.

[No2]

Just now, Creator Supreme said:

Interesting idea, I wouldn't be against it, but don't forget about our sole Green MP.

Bring the greens along.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, No2 said:

Would Labour not be better off splitting? Looks a win win to me.

All move into a new treehouse and call it the No Keirs Club?

 

"But you let in Keir Hardie."

"It says No Keirs. We're allowed to have one."

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, No2 said:

Would Labour not be better off splitting? Looks a win win to me.

Looks like a perpetual Tory win to me.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Looks like a perpetual Tory win to me.

To me it looks like the death of the ones who don’t keep the Labour name. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

16 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I'd genuinely be interested to see what the vote share would be for a Corbyn centric labour without the other labour votes along for the ride. It'd be similar to greens/socialist parties surely?  Unless the youth vote could be highly engaged. But I suspect doorstep voters by and large are less likely to be interested.

If by "Corbyn-centric" you mean people who supported the manifestos of 2017 and 2019, I think the vote share would be much closer to Labour's total vote share than to any fringe parties.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

To me it looks like the death of the ones who don’t keep the Labour name. 

They'd need a name to reflect their Socialist, democratic principles. How about the Socialist Democratic Party (or SDP for short)? 

 

Sounds like a winner to me!

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

They'd need a name to reflect their Socialist, democratic principles. How about the Socialist Democratic Party (or SDP for short)? 

 

Sounds like a winner to me!

Yeah, or maybe if the others leave they could reflect how they could Change the UK? 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I like the basic idea of it, but unfortunately it just means splitting the centre to left vote, thus allowing the tories an even easier win!

 

A lot of the Labour center broke off to form Change UK a few years ago, they sank like a stone, so it's interesting when those on the right suggest the left should make the split as its the left who have the support of unions and members. 

[Section_31]

26 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If by "Corbyn-centric" you mean people who supported the manifestos of 2017 and 2019, I think the vote share would be much closer to Labour's total vote share than to any fringe parties.

You know what I mean. The whole grass roots, let's ban trident we hate yanks stuff. 

[Bjornebye]

3 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

Not linking the tweet but I guess Hatefilled Brewery and her pal would bristle at the suggestion Sunak and his wife’s wealth, and how they acquired it, should be up for scrutiny like this. 

Well her and her lying evil hypocritical Cunt ilk are just like that. The other day a lady had a go at Starmer and people attacked her for being a millionaire. Even supporters of other millionaire politicians. Shameless gobshites who need to shit the fuck up. That brewer is a horrible snide piece of work. Racist soundbite Cunt 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

You know what I mean. The whole grass roots, let's ban trident we hate yanks stuff. 

Those people have, for the most part, already left (usually in a public flounce almost worthy of this place).

[Rushies tash]

If, by some miracle, an incoming Labour government (or Lib Lab coalition) introduced proportional representation, then I'd be happy for Labour to split. At least then there'd be some form of socialist presence in Parliament. I suppose it's for that very reason they'd never bring it in.

[Bruce Spanner]

19 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Those people have, for the most part, already left (usually in a public flounce almost worthy of this place).

 

Guy I know, who i've referenced a few times, made a big performative statement about cancelling his membership on Twitter.

 

Something along the lines of 'Can anybody point me in the direction of a charity or grassroots organisation that I can donate my membership money to as Labour are neo-liberal shills and red tories now and I can no longer allign myself with these people' He signed up, suprisingly, for the Corbyn leadership elections....

 

First response?

 

'Wow, I wonder what they'll do with all of that £1.65 a month, really a game changer. You're my hero'

 

Chump.

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, Rushies tash said:

If, by some miracle, an incoming Labour government (or Lib Lab coalition) introduced proportional representation, then I'd be happy for Labour to split. At least then there'd be some form of socialist presence in Parliament. I suppose it's for that very reason they'd never bring up in.

 

Same.

 

I've said it before but if Starmer is true in his will to change politics in the UK his greatest gift will be the death of the Labour Party as it is with the introduction of PR.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Creator Supreme said:

I like the basic idea of it, but unfortunately it just means splitting the centre to left vote, thus allowing the tories an even easier win!

Well if that's the case then the MPs who dont support Trades Unions can fuck off into obscurity given the Trades Union movement is the entity which gave birth to the Labour Party. 

[TheBitch]

14 hours ago, Section_31 said:

He did an article in the guardian recently about how he thought the gym was always full of narcissists, but then he decided he likes it so now it's not. 

Owen Jones ability to U turn on many things is quite spectacular. He’s a cock head and as Moody says, he’s a Tory enabler now. The fucking dickhead. 

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

Not linking the tweet but I guess Hatefilled Brewery and her pal would bristle at the suggestion Sunak and his wife’s wealth, and how they acquired it, should be up for scrutiny like this. 

Standard daily mail tactic

They know they can't win the argument, so they make it personal, usually about how much the union official is on.

The story appeared yesterday under a crawling article about johnsons lavish wedding.

Obviously working people aren't allowed to spend money.

[Arniepie]

I think there is definitely an appetite out there for a genuine left of centre party.

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Well if that's the case then the MPs who dont support Trades Unions can fuck off into obscurity given the Trades Union movement is the entity which gave birth to the Labour Party. 

Exactly. The right have already run the party into financial meltdown and without union money Labour wouldn't survive a strawberry season.