Fuck off George W Bush!!!

[Kevin D]

Memoirs out today. Says he's "at peace with himself". Has caused a meltdown on the Guardian - even if it is just a repititon of previous positions - not quite at the level of Blair, which was as incensed as I've ever seen the site, but still entertaining.

[dennis tooth]

As Obama has shown part of a bigger machine.

[Guest davelfc]

Memoirs out today. Says he's "at peace with himself". Has caused a meltdown on the Guardian - even if it is just a repititon of previous positions - not quite at the level of Blair, which was as incensed as I've ever seen the site, but still entertaining.

 

I wonder how 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina look in 'pop-up'

[Section_31]

I think Bush has always viewed himself (no doubt with the prompting of others) as some kind of white Christian crusader, so no matter how abhorrent his actions, he will feel the ends justified the means in the context of the end times and the Bible code.

[Wee-bey]

A few years ago I was in Jamaica, and they had a few US TV channels over there. They had an advert starring a bunch of NeoCons (Ann Coulter etc) promoting a charity which you could "Sponsor a Jew to move to Israel". The reason? To make the Rapture begin quicker. A seriously fucked up place under that nutter.

[Section_31]

A few years ago I was in Jamaica, and they had a few US TV channels over there. They had an advert starring a bunch of NeoCons (Ann Coulter etc) promoting a charity which you could "Sponsor a Jew to move to Israel". The reason? To make the Rapture begin quicker. A seriously fucked up place under that nutter.

 

Seriously?!? fuck me!

[torahboy]

Bush was nothing more than a puppet for the cunts of the New American Century. Horrible Zionist scum like Richard Pearle, William Kristol and Rob Edelman directed the Bush administration from the first minute of its time in office. The invasion of Iraq was the most astounding and criminal act of war since Germany invaded Poland. Blair supporting this action just proved how far right the Labour Party had lurched since 1979.......and they were hardly acting like socialists even then.

[dennis tooth]

Bush says waterboarding and torture has saved the lives of Uk citizens but I don't beleive him after his claims about WMD's. Perhaps we should waterboard and torture him, find out what he knows, its the only way to be sure.

[Strontium]

Bush was nothing more than a puppet for the cunts of the New American Century. Horrible Zionist scum like Richard Pearle, William Kristol and Rob Edelman directed the Bush administration from the first minute of its time in office.

 

 

This is all a bit Protocols of the Elders of Zion, isn't it?

 

You forgot the shape-changing lizards though.

[migs]

Fuck all organised religion, and the bigotry they spout*

 

*Except Buddhists, they generally seem like awfully nice people.

[torahboy]

This is all a bit Protocols of the Elders of Zion, isn't it?

 

You forgot the shape-changing lizards though.

 

 

 

Are you a Zionist? Or do you take the Naturei Karta view that Zionism is anti-Judaic? Or don't you care - but just like seeing Arabs getting slaughtered?

[Newport]

Clearly a puppet, but also a greedy cynic that doesn't care about people's lives.

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Oh and :

Among other things, Bush says the lowest moment of his presidency was when rapper Kanye West declared in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina that "Bush doesn't care about black people." "That 'he's a racist,' " Bush told Lauer. "I resent it, it's not true, and it was one of the most disgusting moments of my presidency."

 

[23CARRAGOLD]

Fuck all organised religion, and the bigotry they spout*

 

*Except Buddhists, they generally seem like awfully nice people.

 

Money is on a different level of evil compared to religion.

[Stu Monty]

Money is on a different level of evil compared to religion.

 

Neither are evil, a tool cannot be evil or good.

[DJLJ]

Bush says waterboarding and torture has saved the lives of Uk citizens but I don't beleive him after his claims about WMD's. Perhaps we should waterboard and torture him, find out what he knows, its the only way to be sure.

 

You mean the WMD claims that was proven to be true in the wikileaks documents, those claims?

[WaltonRed]

Neither are evil, a tool cannot be evil or good.

 

Peter Sutcliffes hammer?

[23CARRAGOLD]

Neither are evil, a tool cannot be evil or good.

 

Both have created evil in this world, money as far as I'm concerned, has and always will create more. But people love and embrace money so its not seen in the totally evil light that religion is portrayed in on a daily basis.

[Stu Monty]

Both have created evil in this world, money as far as I'm concerned, has and always will create more. But people love and embrace money so its not seen in the totally evil light that religion is portrayed in on a daily basis.

 

Read what I said again. A tool cannot be evil. A hammer or a sword cannot be evil, and that is all religion and money are, man-made tools. Only the person using it as they decide can be evil, in the commonly used defenition of the term.

[23CARRAGOLD]

Read what I said again. A tool cannot be evil. A hammer or a sword cannot be evil, and that is all religion and money are, man-made tools. Only the person using it as they decide can be evil, in the commonly used defenition of the term.

 

A tool can create evil I said.

 

Religion and money being the tool and both are capable, and proven may I add, of creating evil of epic proportions.

[Stu Monty]

A tool can create evil I said.

 

Religion and money being the tool and both are capable, and proven may I add, of creating evil of epic proportions.

 

Of course it can't. It can be used by someone to create evil but it can't just create it. Microsoft Word can't create a play, it can only be used to create a play by a sentient being.

 

Humans are capable of creating evil, through very different means. The fact that I can beat someone to death with a pineapple does not mean it can create evil. I create the evil and twisted the fruit (system of structuring a society) its end.

[23CARRAGOLD]

Of course it can't. It can be used by someone to create evil but it can't just create it. Microsoft Word can't create a play, it can only be used to create a play by a sentient being.

 

Humans are capable of creating evil, through very different means. The fact that I can beat someone to death with a pineapple does not mean it can create evil. I create the evil and twisted the fruit (system of structuring a society) its end.

 

You were correct to start with.

 

Its peoples desire for money that is evil. I stand corrected sir.

[Section_31]

You were correct to start with.

 

Its peoples desire for money that is evil. I stand corrected sir.

 

I don't think desire for money is a bad thing at all, it's a supreme motivator, society would quite literally collapse without it, but it needs to be restrained. Adam Smith, capitalism's poster boy, thought that human beings had an inate desire to do good and would restrain capitalism's worst excesses - which is quite clearly bollocks.

 

Short termism is the enemy, whether it's inspired by being floated on the stock markets or not (there are some supremely well run companies that aren't publically run, such as Peel Holdings, George Henry Lee (which has an almost socialist element to it) yet I find the ones that put share price above all else make quick and rash decisions, slashing costs and jobs to see short term gains, rather than make long-range financial plans based on solid foundations.

 

This rampant, unrestrained and predatory capitalism is pehnominon of the last twenty years or so IMO and it has destroyed, or will destroy everything. It's certainly destroyed the news-gathering industry, arguanly TV, and is in the process of doing so with the high street. (I went to Manchester the other day in the vain hopes of buying a leather jacket again, imagine my surprise when I spotted a Next, River Island and a Burtons, and er - nowt else.)

[Hermes]

Bush says waterboarding and torture has saved the lives of Uk citizens

 

Tough decision that one.

 

"Do I allow hundreds, maybe thousands more innocent people to be murdered by this terrorists accomplices. Or, do I allow people to pour water on his face until he tells us of their plans".

 

The only decision worth considering was whether to waste a clean, dry towel on him when he was finished with.

[Wee-bey]

Seriously?!? fuck me!

 

That was my reaction as well. Frigging insane mindset.

[Stu Monty]

Tough decision that one.

 

"Do I allow hundreds, maybe thousands more innocent people to be murdered by this terrorists accomplices. Or, do I allow people to pour water on his face until he tells us of their plans".

 

The only decision worth considering was whether to waste a clean, dry towel on him when he was finished with.

 

Franklin had it right:

 

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".