Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

Tribalism has always been present in politics, but with the popularity of social media and the lacking standards in the mainstream news outlets, it is almost a self-parody now. You now have a subsection of the left doing what they absolutely hated centrists for doing on Twitter and trumping up unrest over antisemitism. It's all a fuckin' game. It's not even about left and right anymore, it's not about political ideology and beliefs most of the time. It's about winning a point for your tribe. If there weren't lots of politically disengaged people suffering because of it, the ridiculous of it all would make you laugh. In principle, Boris Johnson becoming Prime Minister is fucking hilarious. In reality, it's a fucking nightmare. We can sit and giggle at these Tory debates, chuntering about they're all fucking morons and wankers, but one of these cunts - likely the most vacuous of them - is going to be running the country in a few weeks, assuming BoJo the Clown doesn't try to get us into a war so he can suspend democratic freedoms. 

 

Those pinning everything on Corbyn whilst he was running are bellends, those trying to bring him down from the inside are even bigger cunts. Like, serious cunts. The idea that it makes it okay for some sort of political revenge against Starmer, who is the first Labour leader in a long time that looks to have what it takes to actually get the Tories out, is bullshit. At times we're our own worst enemy, and the others times are being manipulated into being our own worst enemy by the media or Twitter. In short, burn it down 'til the embers smoke on the ground. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

52 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Is that a parody account?

Apparently not - but I had to check.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Remember when Corbyn went for a meal with some Jewish friends to celebrate a Jewish festival and got accused of "trolling the Jewish community" for doing so?

 

Great days.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Looks like Hodge and Smeeth are being disingenuous about the CAA now.  Nobody suggested it was anything other than appropriate for him to visit the Holocaust Memorial: the complaint is about the use of that image in a party political clip that has got fuck all to do with the Holocaust.

 

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

 

[Section_31]

You can adjust the whole antisemitism labour thing anyway you want can't you? Cunt for going, cunt for not going, depending on your agenda.

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

You can adjust the whole antisemitism labour thing anyway you want can't you? Cunt for going, cunt for not going, depending on your agenda.

Yes. 

 

Although in the case of Margaret Hodge simply - Cunt.

[Section_31]

Has the Israeli government got an issue with Labour or just Corbyn? Is it a Corbyn pro Palestine thing or is it a wider issue about not providing arms or whatever the fuck?

[Gnasher]

22 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

You can adjust the whole antisemitism labour thing anyway you want can't you? Cunt for going, cunt for not going, depending on your agenda.

 

Yes you can but not sure the issue is attendance but using the memorial site as a prop for political gain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Has the Israeli government got an issue with Labour or just Corbyn? Is it a Corbyn pro Palestine thing or is it a wider issue about not providing arms or whatever the fuck?

As long as LFI are in the ascendancy, I'm sure the Israeli government will be happy.

[Gnasher]

Rachel Reeves was wamping on about Corbyn and antisemitism in yesterday's Sunday Times.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

That CAA statement says that a high proportion of British Jews don't think Starmer's Labour are doing enough to combat anti-Semitism and that's sort of understandable.  After the likes of Hodge and the anti-Corbyn mob put so much effort into trying to convince everyone that every nook and cranny of the party was lousy with anti-Semites, it's reasonable to expect the new leadership to expel these racists in their tens of thousands; of course, he can't do that, because those people never really existed.

[Creator Supreme]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Rachel Reeves was wamping on about Corbyn and antisemitism in yesterday's Sunday Times.

She's a waste of oxygen her, a truly pointless bastard!

[Gnasher]

When Ian Austin sounds like the voice of reason you know you're in trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Let's not lose sight of the "fact" that Corbynites demonstrably made Jews feel less safe in their own homes.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Really glad this has been weaponised again. It should be a lovely distraction for the Tories, when they say 'just like Corbyn'. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Really glad this has been weaponised again. It should be a lovely distraction for the Tories, when they say 'just like Corbyn'. 

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

Until now it hasn't been a viable attack line on Starmer himself. The Tories are going to obviously go after him on this. 

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

Barely a week goes by without someone on the Labour front bench mentioning Jeremy Corbyn or anti semitism or both. 

[Anubis]

There is something wryly amusing that a 73 year old, allotment and manhole cover loving vegan, who has spent his career advocating for fairness, equality and peace, is the Keyser Söze of British politics.

[Fowlers God]

On 08/07/2022 at 10:02, Nelly-Matip said:

He is. But why? I thought he was boss.
And wanted him to become PM.

 

But, he’s now a 73 year old backbench MP. Not even that now, he’s an independent MP. The mission was successful. His goals and ideology have pretty much been killed off, for all intents and purposes. That should be enough. Just let the old fella live in peace now that the job is done.

If you think Corbyn was the first person to promote socialism then you're very much mistaken. 
 

if you think socialism is dead and the ideologies he ran with buried with his legacy you are very much mistaken

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

32 minutes ago, Fowlers God said:

If you think Corbyn was the first person to promote socialism then you're very much mistaken. 
 

if you think socialism is dead and the ideologies he ran with buried with his legacy you are very much mistaken

“For all intents and purposes.”

 

Socialism isn’t dead. But, it’s an ideology that the Labour Party no longer seem to be following and there’s no other socialist party which could come anywhere near forming a government. A lot of people saw Corbyn as offering hope and someone who could deliver real change to the country. And who could actually get in to power to implement that change. They might have been mistaken. But, he came close. Will anybody else ever come that close again? I seriously doubt it. So, for me, the idea of a democratic socialist government is now a massive long shot and that idea is dead in the water, with democratic socialism once again being relegated from mainstream political thinking to being more of a fringe, around the edges movement. 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

11 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Accusations of people weaponising antisemitism? Does anybody know when Margaret will be suspended and have the whip withdrawn from her? 
 

Consistency, kids…

[Numero Veinticinco]

52 minutes ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Accusations of people weaponising antisemitism? Does anybody know when Margaret will be suspended and have the whip withdrawn from her? 
 

Consistency, kids…

Who had the whip withdrawn for accusations of weaponising antisemitism?