Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Not for Roman Abramovic. 10 year exemption with no declaration required. 

 

Well, the super-rich play by different rules to the rest of us, don't they. It stinks, but it needs international coordination for the situation to be properly addressed.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

 

It worries me that if we find ourselves in a similar situation again, where we need to use British forces to prevent a genocide, that Prime Minister Corbyn won't endorse the necessary action.

Like East Timor?

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I just think you should know better than to assume that the concerns of Jewish people, many of whom have been involved in the labour movement for decades, are not legitimately held (irrespective of whether you think them valid or not), but are secretly motivated by the fear of losing money.

I don't know what the concerns are. Of-course I don't Strontz. My point being though that it is a  fair question because the amount of false anti-semitic claims and smears over the last 18 months. It has been a daily militant attack since Corbyn proposed tax increases on the rich. Jews make up around .5% of the UK population but hold about 20% of the times rich list. I'm not coming out with some Rothschild conspiracy shite at all, I am simply posing it as something to think about. 

 

Its not a dig at the Jewish religion, more a pondering that certain people could be using their religion and falsely shouting anti-Semitism in order to help protect their own assets. Im not saying thats the case but I'm not scared of questioning it. What other explanations can you give for the amount of anti-semitic rubbish spouted about Corbyn? It really is weird. In a sick way. 

 

Fuck me SD, if I was set to lose 20 million extra quid to tax under a Corbyn government I might accuse him of once trying to have a 3 way with me and my old dog.

 

Something that is just preposterous because everyone knows he is a cat man. 

[Captain Turdseye]

23 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Audrey White spoke to Rodger Phillips on radio merseyside phone in today. Listen to this from 6 mins 45 seconds in.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07tby93

 

Not much later in the same programme, someone called in to accuse the bbc of anti Labour bias of which Phillips was having none of it. 

 

Ta for that. Good for her. She also put the current situation into words far more eloquently than I can.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

36 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Jewish people make up 20% of the Sunday times Uk rich-list. Tax for the super- rich under Labour will be harsher than under the tories and Corbyn has stated this time and time again. Its a fair point to make. More than fair. People shouldn't be scared of mentioning things like this without fear of someone 'insinuating' it is anti-semitic. 

Fuck me, that's dodgy ground.

 

If you want to question an individual's greed and amorality - whether that's Philip Green, Roman Abramovic or whoever - then that's fair enough  (without any reference to religion or ethnicity). Once you start counting what proportion of the Rich List - who are, let's face it, the closest there is to an evil cabal running the world  - are Jewish, you're tapping straight into some deep-rooted anti-Semitic traditions. 

 

Best not to do that.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Fuck me, that's dodgy ground.

 

If you want to question an individual's greed and amorality - whether that's Philip Green, Roman Abramovic or whoever - then that's fair enough  (without any reference to religion or ethnicity). Once you start counting what proportion of the Rich List - who are, let's face it, the closest there is to an evil cabal running the world  - are Jewish, you're tapping straight into some deep-rooted anti-Semitic traditions. 

 

Best not to do that.

Im not being Anti-Semitic. At all. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I just think you should know better than to assume that the concerns of Jewish people, many of whom have been involved in the labour movement for decades, are not legitimately held (irrespective of whether you think them valid or not), but are secretly motivated by the fear of losing money.

For what it's worth, I think that the concerns of most of the high-profile (former) party members who claim that the party is suddenly institutionally anti-Semitic are not legitimately held. They are lying about racism, because what they really fear is the growth of a democratic Socialism that they have always opposed.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

For what it's worth, I think that the concerns of most of the high-profile (former) party members who claim that the party is suddenly institutionally anti-Semitic are not legitimately held. They are lying about racism, because what they really fear is the growth of a democratic Socialism that they have always opposed.

This is what I am wondering. The tax angle is one of many that can be considered. People shouldn't be scared of asking these questions when the people being questioned are lying about anti-semitism! 

 

Im probably not articulating my point as well as I should be but I know what the fuck I mean. 

[aRdja]

33 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Audrey White spoke to Rodger Phillips on radio merseyside phone in today. Listen to this from 6 mins 45 seconds in.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07tby93

 

Not much later in the same programme, someone called in to accuse the bbc of anti Labour bias of which Phillips was having none of it. 

I just finished listening to that section with my missus. Fuck me that was a depressing listen. The line that the Tories have been using “Jewish MPs have been bullied out of the party” has been proven to be a lie. There is even a recording to back her up. And she’s right... the biggest victims in this smear are Jewish community. I genuinely feel for her. So sad that no mainstream media is interested to publish the truth. Begs the question though, why did they do it? For what purpose? Why motivated the Jewish Chronicles to publish four articles to smear this lady?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

35 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I just finished listening to that section with my missus. Fuck me that was a depressing listen. The line that the Tories have been using “Jewish MPs have been bullied out of the party” has been proven to be a lie. There is even a recording to back her up. And she’s right... the biggest victims in this smear are Jewish community. I genuinely feel for her. So sad that no mainstream media is interested to publish the truth. Begs the question though, why did they do it? For what purpose? Why motivated the Jewish Chronicles to publish four articles to smear this lady?

It's mad. I was accused on here of being antisemitic for slagging off Louise Ellman. It now transpires that any criticism was warranted as there are now two clear instances when she's told damaging lies, as well as her not challenging the claims of other's that she was "forced out" of the Labour Party. Which are now demonstrably untrue. 

[moof]

Brilliant video on David Graeber’s twitter on this subject

[Dougie Do'ins]

46 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

. Begs the question though, why did they do it? For what purpose? Why motivated the Jewish Chronicles to publish four articles to smear this lady?

Thank fuck for that. For a second there, I thought you were going to ask what was I doing listening to the Rodger Phillips moan in. Phew!

[Captain Turdseye]

8 minutes ago, moof said:

Brilliant video on David Graeber’s twitter on this subject

 

 

[moof]

Cheers cap

[aRdja]

Ah FFS Jeremy... two of them are Jewish. Wait 9 days you idiot!

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

Says in that article that Corbyn named Murdoch as someone he’d target. For the love of fucking god, make it so. 

[moof]

11 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Ah FFS Jeremy... two of them are Jewish. Wait 9 days you idiot!

 

 

Don’t criticise billionaires if they are Jewish? Are you sure about that mate?

[aRdja]

Just now, moof said:

Don’t criticise billionaires if they are Jewish? Are you sure about that mate?

Until after the election. The right are really ramping up their smears at the moment. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

17 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Ah FFS Jeremy... two of them are Jewish. Wait 9 days you idiot!

 

 

 

Stop being stupid lad. The knobbers are all to quick to sling dirt, no need for a so called intelligent bloke to muck in with them. 

[aRdja]

13 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Stop being stupid lad. The knobbers are all to quick to sling dirt, no need for a so called intelligent bloke to muck in with them. 

I wasn’t trying to ‘sling dirt’ at him. I just would like for him him to bit more careful leading up to the votes... try to be a bit more ‘disciplined’, if you like . Just watch, tomorrow the usual suspects will use this to smear him.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

I wasn’t trying to ‘sling dirt’ at him. I just would like for him him to bit more careful leading up to the votes... try to be a bit more ‘disciplined’ about it if you like . Just watch, tomorrow the usual suspects will use this to smear him.

 

Why, because you read something in a report that isn't there? You are every bit as daft of those slinging the mud by using their foolish logic to come up with that being anywhere near AS. Fuck me, do you want him to ignore important issues in case it upsets the Jewish community, I'm sure most Jews wouldn't think what he said is AS. Those who like slinging the mud will carry on regardless, they just use the AS as a go to excuse like a kid saying the dog has chewed his homework. 

[aRdja]

13 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Why, because you read something in a report that isn't there? You are every bit as daft of those slinging the mud by using their foolish logic to come up with that being anywhere near AS. Fuck me, do you want him to ignore important issues in case it upsets the Jewish community, I'm sure most Jews wouldn't think what he said is AS. Those who like slinging the mud will carry on regardless, they just use the AS as a go to excuse like a kid saying the dog has chewed his homework. 

As we’ve seen from @Strontium Dog™’s post earlier, criticising someone like Phillip Green could be (mis)interpreted as anti-semitic in the current political climate. Do you know think it’s worth being clever about this just for now at least? We have an election coming up!

[Brownie]

Give your head a wobble mate.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

10 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

As we’ve seen from @Strontium Dog™’s post earlier, criticising someone like Phillip Green could be (mis)interpreted as anti-semitic in the current political climate. Do you know think it’s worth being clever about this just for now at least? We have an election coming up!

 

Fuck me, SD is not the voice of the Jewish community. Those voters who have made up their mind that Corbyn is AS are not going to be bothered either, they've made up their petty little minds ages ago. You on the other hand just like posting stuff like this for arguments sake. I've said my piece though, so no point making a Mountain out of a Molehill. 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

As we’ve seen from @Strontium Dog™’s post earlier, criticising someone like Phillip Green could be (mis)interpreted as anti-semitic in the current political climate. Do you know think it’s worth being clever about this just for now at least? We have an election coming up!

 

I thought it was abundantly clear to even the merest mind that it was the singling out which I had a problem with, and that is not happening here.

 

Not that I have much time for the simplistic zero sum logic which thinks a few people having a lot of money means that loads of other people have to be poor, but there's nothing racist about Corbyn's tweet.