Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Other than being old and involved in politics for a long while I can't see many similarities in Biden & Corbyn. A much more sensible pairing would be Corbyn and Sanders whose histories share many similarities and both still have the fire in their bellies.

Yep - I used Biden as he is polling top but Sanders is in the same boat and more of the same mold.

I feel all three are unelectable - though I will bow to the opinions of those able to vote for the one fella.

 

For the US I hope we can find a more effective candidate than either of the other two old boys.

[Creator Supreme]

1 hour ago, Duff Man said:

Yes but Caroline Lucas and ten other female MPs just taking over! Just... because!

As a green I'm a big fan of Caroline Lucas, but not her finest hour!

[sir roger]

17 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Yep - I used Biden as he is polling top but Sanders is in the same boat and more of the same mold.

I feel all three are unelectable - though I will bow to the opinions of those able to vote for the one fella.

 

For the US I hope we can find a more effective candidate than either of the other two old boys.

I think the UK is a bit more volatile due to Brexit and the FPST system in each constituency which means in reality Corbyn could do far worse votes-wise and do better seats-wise ( There is no guarantee there will even be an election for 3 years )

 

Over your side, I believe there is apparently a jinx on Democrat front-runners , but have a horrible feeling that Biden will bumble through to the nomination and Trump will beat him handily.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Haven't they both chosen to become exceedingly wealthy through a lifetime as "elected officials"?

 

Does that help the public - should it be a lifetime gig?

Corbyn has "chosen to become exceedingly wealthy" by consistently claiming the lowest expenses of any of the 650 MPs?  Have you seen where Corbyn lives compared to Johnson's place? I'm not sure you can draw any equivalence. 

 

Mind you, I'm also unsure what "elected officials" (in quotes) is supposed to mean.

 

Being an elected representative obviously does help the public, if you do it properly.  And no, it shouldn't be a lifetime gig: there should be, y'know, elections.

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

And no, it shouldn't be a lifetime gig: there should be, y'know, elections.

I think his house is worth 1mil 

 

In the quoted -- doesn't that mindset enable career politicians? Experience is a blessing in this?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Sorry - forgot about the word count.

 

 

Term limits -- good/bad?

Anyone else Labour could elect now in a GE?

Career politicians  - agents of change?

How are you defining "career politicians?"

 

Most people would understand the term to mean a person who uses the political system as a career path: do what it takes to climb the greasy pole (enrichingyourself along the way) then use all the connections you made to secure yourself an easy and lucrative life of directorships, consultancy, column-writing and speaking engagements. It's the standard careerist CV of Blair-era principle-free managerialists.

 

It's a million miles from someone who gets into politics to try to change things for the better - and is still trying 40 or 50 years later. 

 

Short answers:

Term-limits bad.

No other current Labour MP could win a General Election. 

"Career politicians" are in politics for different reasons than lifelong agents of change. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think the politics of America are more applicable now than have ever been in Britain 

If I understand American politics correctly, I think the influence of election expenditure and lobbying money (and the concomitant opportunities for an elected person to become corrupted - or for a corrupt person to get elected) is much greater in the USA than over here. Also, incumbency seems to be a much more powerful influence in the USA: piss-poor senators and congressmen are much less likely to be voted out than piss-poor MPs. (This is why arguments for term-limits make more sense in the US context.)

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think his house is worth 1mil 

 

According to the Daily Express  (in a hit piece trying to paint him as a hypocritical champagne Socialist) it's market value is £800k: about £36k above the average for Islington.  I don't know how long he's lived there or what he paid: if he bought it when house prices were still halfway sane, then it would be a bit of a stretch to try to use it as evidence of him getting rich off public money. 

[A Red]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

According to the Daily Express  (in a hit piece trying to paint him as a hypocritical champagne Socialist) it's market value is £800k: about £36k above the average for Islington.  I don't know how long he's lived there or what he paid: if he bought it when house prices were still halfway sane, then it would be a bit of a stretch to try to use it as evidence of him getting rich off public money. 

Mansion tax him!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 minutes ago, A Red said:

Mansion tax him!

Wouldn't meet the threshold. 

 

Boris Johnson's houses, on the other hand...

 

https://www.tatler.com/article/boris-johnson-house-on-market-375-million

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

According to the Daily Express  (in a hit piece trying to paint him as a hypocritical champagne Socialist) it's market value is £800k: about £36k above the average for Islington.  I don't know how long he's lived there or what he paid: if he bought it when house prices were still halfway sane, then it would be a bit of a stretch to try to use it as evidence of him getting rich off public money. 

Not sure if it relates to his current house but this says he's lived in the community for more than 30 years.

 

“The Jeremy Corbyn we know…the most decent man in politics”

 

http://islingtontribune.com/article/the-jeremy-corbyn-we-know-the-most-decent-man-in-politics

[Creator Supreme]

Socialists can't win, if they live in a house like Corbyn that's worth £800k, they're champagne socialists. If they live in a council house like Bob Crow did, they're stealing a home from those that need it.

 

Should just buy a fucking tent and live outside parliament!

[Bobby Hundreds]

My aunty lives in a house just outside London its mediocre. The house would cost about a 100 grand up north, where she lives it's 600 grand. She bought it for around 20 grand in 1980. In London an expensive house doesn't mean your loaded.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

My aunty lives in a house just outside London its mediocre. The house would cost about a 100 grand up north, where she lives it's 600 grand. She bought it for around 20 grand in 1980. In London an expensive house doesn't mean your loaded.

 

Unless you sell the house. Then you are. 

[Rico1304]

8 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Wouldn't meet the threshold. 

 

Boris Johnson's houses, on the other hand...

 

https://www.tatler.com/article/boris-johnson-house-on-market-375-million

 

Can’t blame JC for his house going up in value. He’s got to live somewhere and has not taken the piss on expenses.  Bob Crow on the other hand was a theiving bastard. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

33 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Unless you sell the house. Then you are. 

 

If she moves back north she would be alright but both her kids died and are buried in the cemetery around the corner, she will never leave. She works as a cleaner in a hotel. There's so many different stories and circumstances it's too simplistic to pigeon hole every one. The daily mail always puts the value of someone's house in their stories no matter what the subject is about like the value defines the quality of the person or how that person should behave.

[A Red]

Variable house prices around the country are why you cant tax people on the value of their property. Unless you make it something like £5 million plus

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, A Red said:

Variable house prices around the country are why you cant tax people on the value of their property. Unless you make it something like £5 million plus

I think Ed Milliband's proposals started at £2m, with a higher rate for houses more than  £3m.

[Pureblood]

Can't be taxing rich people.  Austerity is way better.

[aRdja]

Tax the Capital Gain when you sell it or pass it on. That would be the easiest.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Tax the Capital Gain when you sell it or pass it on. That would be the easiest.

It should be about what's fairest, not what's easiest. 

[Boss]

33 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Tax the Capital Gain when you sell it or pass it on. That would be the easiest.

 

They already do that - in both instances.

[Boss]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It should be about what's fairest, not what's easiest. 

What's fairest is not taxing people again for income that's already been taxed. That's what's fairest. 

[TheHowieLama]

Certainly a capital gain is additional income.

[Boss]

Actually that's not true (on my part). It's not taxed until it's sold by the person who inherited it. And it works on a fair market value basis, so you only get taxed on the stock price when you acquired it versus what it was sold for, not the price that the person who left it to you bought it for.