Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Jose Jones]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

On the privatisation issue, I’m yet to be convinced that the cost would justify the benefits. It seems like upheaval that isn’t particularly necessary at a time like this. 

I think there is an excellent argument that nationalised services in a lot of sectors are better than privatised ones, and there are winnable arguments over most in that Labour doc, but they would be best served picking the obvious ones, and sorting one or two first. 

Otherwise they leave themselves open to the “how can we afford it?” “typical Labour throwing money away” talk.

[Jose Jones]

Just now, Jose Jones said:

I think there is an excellent argument that nationalised services in a lot of sectors are better than privatised ones, and there are winnable arguments over most in that Labour doc, but they would be best served picking the obvious ones, and sorting one or two first. 

Otherwise they leave themselves open to the “how can we afford it?” “typical Labour throwing money away” talk.

As above with A Red.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, A Red said:

But perhaps it is if it gives power to Labour/Unions to hold industries/the country/future governments to ransom

I’m not sure that’s either the desired objective or even a realistic outcome. It’s certainly not something I’m too worried about. Anyway, Corbyn isn’t getting into power. I’m more interested in the blonde haired Etonian who somehow wandered into the PM’s seat. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Jose Jones said:

I think there is an excellent argument that nationalised services in a lot of sectors are better than privatised ones, and there are winnable arguments over most in that Labour doc, but they would be best served picking the obvious ones, and sorting one or two first. 

Otherwise they leave themselves open to the “how can we afford it?” “typical Labour throwing money away” talk.

Don’t disagree. 

[Boss]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I know 6 year olds with better world views than you 

Speaking to a lot of six year olds, are you? 

 

Nonce

[Red Phoenix]

21 minutes ago, A Red said:

Your both fucking wrong

 

[Section_31]

25 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

I think there is an excellent argument that nationalised services in a lot of sectors are better than privatised ones, and there are winnable arguments over most in that Labour doc, but they would be best served picking the obvious ones, and sorting one or two first. 

Otherwise they leave themselves open to the “how can we afford it?” “typical Labour throwing money away” talk.

Our government have a problem with things being state owned but not when it's other states.

 

Arriva is owned by the German government and one of the big energy firms, Eon I think, is majority owned by the French government.

 

Probation was recently brought back in house after a string of disasters.

 

Some things simply shouldn't be run with profit in mind. I put universities in that bracket too. Fucking timebomb that sector and socially and morally defunct.

[TheBitch]

2 hours ago, A Red said:

I dont grow veg!

This is your problem right here. 

[SasaS]

7 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Our government have a problem with things being state owned but not when it's other states.

 

Arriva is owned by the German government and one of the big energy firms, Eon I think, is majority owned by the French government.

 

Probation was recently brought back in house after a string of disasters.

 

Some things simply shouldn't be run with profit in mind. I put universities in that bracket too. Fucking timebomb that sector and socially and morally defunct.

Isn't E.ON also German?

By the way these companies, like RWE or E.ON are run for profit, despite the ownership, especially when they operate abroad.

[sir roger]

43 minutes ago, TK421 said:

On a piecemeal basis in order of priority.

Exactly , I don't suppose Labour are expecting to implement every one of the 100 policies in the first half hour of government. The Tories appear to have spent a year without implementing any policies.

[Section_31]

3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Isn't E.ON also German?

By the way these companies, like RWE or E.ON are run for profit, despite the ownership, especially when they operate abroad.

Just checked and it's EDF.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

 

Quantitative Easing is done to boost the economy and create economic growth. Those Labour nationalisation plans will cost hundreds of billions. The country does not have that kind of money to fritter away on superfluous things. The only way it could be done is by printing money, which will cause inflation, devaluing the currency and making poor people poorer. 

None of those sentences is true.

 

Quite an achievement. 

[Rico1304]

48 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Just checked and it's EDF.

And they are a fucking nightmare to deal with.  

[A Red]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

Certainly no point to bother disagreeing with a cunt that cant spell basic words correctly

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

A little ahead of you there

[SasaS]

26 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

And they are a fucking nightmare to deal with.  

 

You accidentally piss them off, they go nuclear on your ass.

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The best modern example of rail nationalisation in this country is the East Coast Mainline, where the private operator failed (twice!) leaving the DfT to step in and run it, resulting (both times) in better performance in terms of punctuality, reliability, customer satisfaction and cost efficiency.

 

Punctuality?

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16401851.call-for-probe-as-state-owned-scotland-to-london-train-line-punctuality-hits-eight-year-low/

 

And of course  it's more "cost efficient" for a rail operator when it doesn't have to pay an enormous franchise fee to the government. 

[Red Phoenix]

43 minutes ago, A Red said:

A little ahead of you there

 

Haha, thanks had missed that.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Punctuality?

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16401851.call-for-probe-as-state-owned-scotland-to-london-train-line-punctuality-hits-eight-year-low/

 

And of course  it's more "cost efficient" for a rail operator when it doesn't have to pay an enormous franchise fee to the government. 

The operators get much more support than they pay for "enormous" franchise fees - otherwise they wouldn't bother. It's tricky to compare like-for-like, but the most reliable estimates show that each passenger mile today costs taxpayers about three times as much, in real terms, as a passenger mile in the last comparably busy period under British Rail.

 

The mantra that nationalisation is more expensive than privatisation is just a myth born of dogma.

[sir roger]

6 hours ago, Boss said:

So lets just take Royal Mail in isolation. Royal Mail has assets worth 8.9 billion, with revenues of 5.6 billion per year. How much would that cost like? Corbyn's living in a fantasy world.

Somebody should have told Vince Cable

[Red Phoenix]

Fuck the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

9 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Fuck the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

 

 

The truth is antisemitic now. What a time to be alive! 

[Red Phoenix]

The controversial IHRA definition warns “claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour” constitutes antisemitism.

 

Israel's an apartheid state, that's a fact but is now supposed to be antisemitic. Perfect example of living in a post-truth reality. They'd rather create fake racism than deal with the actual racism that's gone on in Israel for decades. Orwellian fraud cunts. Two of the best things we could do for maybe the entire planet is massively reduce the influence of right wing Zionists and their lies + deal with the ISIS/Al-Qaeda supporting cunts in Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

[Red Phoenix]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

The truth is antisemitic now. What a time to be alive! 

 

Yep, it's fucking crazy.

[moof]

4 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

On the privatisation issue, I’m yet to be convinced that the cost would justify the benefits. It seems like upheaval that isn’t particularly necessary at a time like this. Ideally, in my opinion, I would like to see these industries owned by the people of the country and run in the public interest. We are quite far down the road from that and must be pragmatic. 

Nah, it’s the time for radical action, not pragmatism 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, moof said:

Nah, it’s the time for radical action, not pragmatism 

Radical action on the privatisation issue of utilities and transport?