Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[lifetime fan]

14 minutes ago, moof said:

Owen smith challenged him for leader and was awarded a place in the shadow cabinet - until he resigned for some publicity. Corbyn is probably too accommodating to his enemies, if anything. 

 

I don’t care who Starmer is enemies with. He’s spoken more sense on Brexit than anyone in the party. 

[Megadrive Man]

At least Stormzy has still got Corbyns back.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Stickman]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldsStump/status/1144297155034845184

[Skidfingers McGonical]

 

[Rico1304]

Hold on, so Labour didn’t follow the right policy after all? It’s almost like the process is broken, needs intervention and then resetting.  

 

 

[Rico1304]

Real anti Semitism. Jesus. 

 

From the author of The Holocaust Industry. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

25 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

 

Not the right type of Jew for some, I'm afraid. I'll trust Rico over Dr Finkelstein. After all, how many times does Norman post three word snarky comments on TLW about other people being really smart. Never. That's how many. 

[moof]

17 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Real anti Semitism. Jesus. 

 

From the author of The Holocaust Industry. 

The fighter of racism has logged on. 

 

I guess Finkelstein is one of those self hating Jews I’ve heard so much about? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

16 minutes ago, moof said:

The fighter of racism has logged on. 

 

I guess Finkelstein is one of those self hating Jews I’ve heard so much about? 

He's just the wrong type of Jew for Rico. Like, you know, Rico actually gives a flying fuck about Jews. No, honestly, just go back before Corbyn and read how much he wrote about the plight of Jews in the UK or Jews around the world. It's nothing to do with trying to make Corbyn look like a racist. It's not politically charged. Of course, he was far less condemnatory towards the guy who said 'you sound like a Nigger, mate. White people don't talk like that'. No issue with that at all. 

 

You and I might disagree on Corbyn, as I'm not a fan. But anybody with a pair of eyes and a memory that lasts longer than two seconds knows that Rico couldn't give one fuck about the Jews. Not a single fuck. He certainly doesn't give a fuck about Norman Finkelstein, the son of people who - unlike British Jews, born in Britain - actually experienced the Holocaust. Rico only gives a fuck about the ones on Twitter who feign fear of a second holocaust at the hands of Jeremy 'I'd rather be tending my tatties' Corbyn. 

 

Perhaps if Dr. Finkelstein voted for another vote for us to leave Europe and blamed it on Labour, moaned about the Muslims all being the same and prejudging them as stone-age cretins, recited some ludicrous shit he heard on a podcast, and paid his fucking subs, Rico might warm to him. 

 

[cloggypop]

Does Finkelstein pay his subs though? 

[sir roger]

The Times front page has a ‘ civil service source’ worried that Corbyn might be too physically and mentally frail to lead the country. 

 

I remember when I was younger that the Times was evoked in awe as being probably the most respected newspaper in the world. Sad in a way that it has been reduced to a sub-Daily Heil click bait entity feeding obvious lies to a racist elderly shower of cunts.

[Jairzinho]

39 minutes ago, moof said:

The fighter of racism has logged on. 

 

I guess Finkelstein is one of those self hating Jews I’ve heard so much about? 

Please stop replying to it. Just leave the trolling colostomy bag's empty words to drift away. He didn't know who Finklestein was an hour ago. 

 

He votes for a racist party, according to NV (who I trust considerably more than that absolute weapon) he defended a racist as well, and now he's implying a Jew, both of whose parents were in concentration camps, is anti semitic. 

 

Why would anyone take anything he says seriously? He's just googling stuff and trolling. He understands about 5% of what he's posting.

 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

Please stop replying to it. Just leave the trolling colostomy bag's empty words to drift away. He didn't know who Finklestein was an hour ago. 

 

 

Ha ha ha.  Just wish I was as good as you mate, gutted it’s just not possible.  My knowledge of Jewish academics isn’t encyclopaedic. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Just wish I was as good as you mate, gutted it’s just not possible.

The chip on his shoulder about intellect is more a 12kg bag of spuds. 

[Duff Man]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

The Times front page has a ‘ civil service source’ worried that Corbyn might be too physically and mentally frail to lead the country. 

 

I remember when I was younger that the Times was evoked in awe as being probably the most respected newspaper in the world. Sad in a way that it has been reduced to a sub-Daily Heil click bait entity feeding obvious lies to a racist elderly shower of cunts.

That's spot on. Their content is just as hateful, pernicious, and dishonest as the tabloids', these days.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Please stop replying to it. Just leave the trolling colostomy bag's empty words to drift away. He didn't know who Finklestein was an hour ago. 

 

He votes for a racist party, according to NV (who I trust considerably more than that absolute weapon) he defended a racist as well, and now he's implying a Jew, both of whose parents were in concentration camps, is anti semitic. 

 

Why would anyone take anything he says seriously? He's just googling stuff and trolling. He understands about 5% of what he's posting.

 

 

I defended a racist?  Are you talking about Sargon?  Not true I’m afraid.  I said his use of the n word, in the context he said it. Wasn’t racist.  Sargon is a cunt though.  Think it’s in the free speech thread.  

[Section_31]

19 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

That's spot on. Their content is just as hateful, pernicious, and dishonest as the tabloids', these days.

Murdock innit

[Stickman]

6 hours ago, sir roger said:

The Times front page has a ‘ civil service source’ worried that Corbyn might be too physically and mentally frail to lead the country. 

 

I remember when I was younger that the Times was evoked in awe as being probably the most respected newspaper in the world. Sad in a way that it has been reduced to a sub-Daily Heil click bait entity feeding obvious lies to a racist elderly shower of cunts.

Wondering why the think Boris Johnson can when he sounds like he's had a stroke .

[Barrington Womble]

21 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

Chris Williamson tried the first method, and look at whats happened to him. Even if he offered up psuedo aologies the press would just twist it into something else. Its a lose lose situation, which is exactly what the opposition to Corbyn want.

Here's the thing for me, I don't think anyone from the 80s left of the party will ever get a fair crack off the electorate and I don't think they will win enough seats to win a general election. 

19 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Nah most of the young'uns are too lightweight. Starmer or Thornbury I reckon. 

 

Although my spell check just briefly changed Starmer to Shatner. What a world that would be.

I've always thought Barry Gardiner has done well both with the press and on the floor in the commons. 

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Keir is far and away the best candidate. He’s fucking bright, charismatic and well respected across the parties. 

I watched a brexit WebEx he did the other day. He was shite and must be still picking splinters out of his arse. I think he's done well on brexit in the commons, but his lack of ability to drive the leadership of the party into taking a brexit position suggests to me he's very far from capable of being a man to run the country. 

17 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

 

I don’t care who Starmer is enemies with. He’s spoken more sense on Brexit than anyone in the party. 

As I say above, what use is that when the party doesn't have a real strategy outside of not upsetting leave voting labour constituencies? He needs to drive the labour leadership to a position. Just this week he's even unable to say what position labour would put themselves if an election was called tomorrow. That's not some question from Marr or something broadcast nationally, it's from a labour driven session for members supposedly getting answers to key questions. He didn't say a fucking thing that's not in the public domain already. I get he feeling he's just a labour Jeremy Hunt. 

[Jairzinho]

Agreed Barry, the old mob of socialists will all get decimated by the press. The party having been gutted by Blair, Mandelson, etc, means there is a real paucity of 45-60 year old socialists. They're all McDonnell's generation or wet behind the ears.

 

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

As I say above, what use is that when the party doesn't have a real strategy outside of not upsetting leave voting labour constituencies? He needs to drive the labour leadership to a position. Just this week he's even unable to say what position labour would put themselves if an election was called tomorrow. That's not some question from Marr or something broadcast nationally, it's from a labour driven session for members supposedly getting answers to key questions. He didn't say a fucking thing that's not in the public domain already. I get he feeling he's just a labour Jeremy Hunt. 

 

He’s been doing an impossible job and following policy decided and agreed by the party and leadership. 

 

I completely disagree with that policy the same as you do mate but he’s the only one that’s managed to even remotely sound articulate on the subject. He’s also done more to hold the government to account on this than anyone else within the party. 

 

I voted for Corbyn twice, the Labour Party for me should be a socialist party and I want a socialist leader, government and PM.

 

But I’m at a stage where I accept that isn’t possible so I want the best possible leader that can actually get elected. 

 

Starmer wears a suit well, he’s a QC, human rights lawyer, has a decent voting record, is articulate and intelligent, is able to minimise the poisonous bullshit the right wing press will always throw at the Labour Party and could actually win a GE. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Don’t have somebody as leader because he couldn’t control the actual leader and get him to do something else. 

 

Looks like I agree as much with Wom on Politics as I do f*******

[Scooby Dudek]

28 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

 

He’s been doing an impossible job and following policy decided and agreed by the party and leadership. 

 

I completely disagree with that policy the same as you do mate but he’s the only one that’s managed to even remotely sound articulate on the subject. He’s also done more to hold the government to account on this than anyone else within the party. 

 

I voted for Corbyn twice, the Labour Party for me should be a socialist party and I want a socialist leader, government and PM.

 

But I’m at a stage where I accept that isn’t possible so I want the best possible leader that can actually get elected. 

 

Starmer wears a suit well, he’s a QC, human rights lawyer, has a decent voting record, is articulate and intelligent, is able to minimise the poisonous bullshit the right wing press will always throw at the Labour Party and could actually win a GE. 

The right wing press make shit up and throw it at the party leadership, they did it with Red Ed Milband, whose father hated Britain, they are doing it excessively with Corbyn because he is more anti establishment and they will do it with the next leader, whoever that is. 

Maybe Starmer will be better at handling the press but irrespective the press will have their agenda and just follow it.

[lifetime fan]

10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

The right wing press make shit up and throw it at the party leadership, they did it with Red Ed Milband, whose father hated Britain, they are doing it excessively with Corbyn because he is more anti establishment and they will do it with the next leader, whoever that is. 

Maybe Starmer will be better at handling the press but irrespective the press will have their agenda and just follow it.

 

I completely agree mate, my point is he’d be able to minimise it, not stop it.