Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Purkiss is absolutely wonderful and I won't hear a word said to the contrary.

 

No she is OK. I can see the attraction. She is OK actually although the EU seems to be her hobbyhorse.

[Arniepie]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

No she is OK. I can see the attraction. She is OK actually although the EU seems to be her hobbyhorse.

nah

she consistently rips into tories

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Double down? No idea what you mean. 

He means you've done a Katie Hopkins: you said that Person A did something that Person B did and instead of simply admitting you got it wrong you're coming out with "so what? They're all the same".

 

Tanskii is a self-obsessed witless social media irritant and best ignored.

 

Purkiss is an intelligent and articulate political commentator in mainstream media, who speaks up for the type of low-paid workers you pretend that nobody here cares about.

 

Chalk and cheese.  The only thing they have in common is that they haven't drunk the Brexit Kool-Aid.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

They'd have found it harder to slash VAT or renationalise assets. 

 

As for Ukraine. Maybe this fella holds the key to the answer of my question on why Gaza has been treated so differently by Biden/Ursula(Israel has literally made the desert bloom) and Co when compared to the Ukraine the EU has just given 50 billion.

 

 

https://x.com/hebh_jamal/status/1721474268704158007?s=20

 

 

Maybe Zelensky will split it. 

 

 

 

 

VAT rates are within the gift of Member States.  If the Government of a Member State wants to raise or lower rates, that's not the EU's business.

https://www.eurofiscalis.com/en/vat-rates-in-ue/

 

Nationalisation is more difficult, but not impossible, for an EU Member State.  That would be a relevant point for a country with a Socialist government.  But (in case you've forgotten) the Referendum took place in the real world, and in the real world the UK was - and still is - governed by a bunch of Tory bastards more implacably opposed to to nationalisation than anyone in Brussels.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Are you arguing that the EU shouldn't be supporting Ukraine?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-gets-eu-aid-as-orban-folds/

 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Are you arguing that the EU shouldn't be supporting Ukraine?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-gets-eu-aid-as-orban-folds/

 

 

I believe Ursulas involvement in Ukraine thus far has been inflammatory. As as her involvement in Israel/Gaza. Ukraine like Gaza is not in the EU. Shouldn't Gaza receive similar amounts of aid? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I believe Ursulas involvement in Ukraine thus far has been inflammatory. As as her involvement in Israel/Gaza. Ukraine like Gaza is not in the EU. Shouldn't Gaza receive similar amounts of aid? 

Yes, Gaza should receive aid and (just as important) the aggressor should receive sanctions.

 

Personally, I've got no problem with aid for Ukraine and sanctions for Russia. The aggressors need to fuck off out of it before meaningful peace talks can start.

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

If she's serious about worries over the EU she'd be asking questions of Reeves going against EU policy on Bankers bonuses.

 

The EU are getting rid of the cap on bankers' bonuses.

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I believe Ursulas involvement in Ukraine thus far has been inflammatory. As as her involvement in Israel/Gaza. Ukraine like Gaza is not in the EU. Shouldn't Gaza receive similar amounts of aid? 

 

The EU is a liberal, democratic and European project. It surely stands to reason that they will give more aid to countries that are liberal, democratic and European than countries which are none of those things?

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Yes, Gaza should receive aid and (just as important) the aggressor should receive sanctions.

 

Personally, I've got no problem with aid for Ukraine and sanctions for Russia. The aggressors need to fuck off out of it before meaningful peace talks can start.

 

Shes a warmonger and a disgusting excuse for a human being. Millions would be happy if she fucked off.

 

 

 

 

 

She SHOULD have taken the lead and acted like the Irish, Spanish and Belgiums. 

 

 

The American is bang on the ball with these cunts. Those who prop them up can fuck off as well. The difference is stark. The difference is noted. The difference cannot be ignored. 

 

 

https://x.com/hebh_jamal/status/1721474268704158007?s=20

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

The EU is a liberal, democratic and European project. It surely stands to reason that they will give more aid to countries that are liberal, democratic and European than countries which are none of those things?

 

Ukraine liberal? They worship Stephen Bandana. I take it you missed Klitschkos recent comments on 'liberal' Ukraine. They are one of the most corrupt countries on earth. The Western side of the country has barely been touched. In many ways they have more in common with the country to the east of them than with the countries to their west.  

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

The EU are getting rid of the cap on bankers' bonuses.

 

Well they're as bad as us then. More European inequality will follow. 

[No2]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

 

The EU are getting rid of the cap on bankers' bonuses.

Where did you see that?

[Strontium]

26 minutes ago, No2 said:

Where did you see that?

 

I didn't, it hasn't been announced yet. But it will happen.

[Section_31]

20 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

I didn't, it hasn't been announced yet. But it will happen.

 

Atk over here.

[Mudface]

It's a disaster, part 20000- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/brexit-trade-perks-firms-business-department-leaving-eu-companies

 

Usual over-exaggerations and outright lies from the government to keep the hard of thinking onside.

 

Quote

 

‘It’s all a bit marginal’: claims of Brexit trade perks don’t add up, say firms

A business department report trumpeting the four-year benefits of leaving the EU does not match the reality faced by companies
 

On the four-year anniversary of Brexit last Wednesday, business and trade secretary Kemi Badenoch trumpeted its successes. “The British people’s conviction that the UK would excel as masters of our own fate has paid dividends,” she said, launching a report detailing the benefits.

Among the top achievements listed were booming sales of honey to Saudi Arabia, surging pet food exports to India, a rush of UK pork, worth £18m over five years, heading into Mexico’s restaurants and homes, and UK beauty products sales leaping in China, thanks to barriers being smashed.

“My department is leveraging our post-Brexit freedoms to make the UK the best place in the world to start and grow a business,” added Badenoch, seen by many Tory MPs as one of several flexing their muscles for a tilt at the leadership quite soon.

But her triumphalist tone, and many of the assertions in the Department for Business and Trade’s (DBT) Brexit 4th Anniversary document, did not quite ring true with the industries cited.

“I don’t know any of our members who export any great amounts [to Saudi Arabia],” said Paul Barton of the Bee Farmers Association, which represents professional beekeepers in the UK.

“Speaking from the industry, we’ve not had any assistance from the government in exploiting [the Saudi Arabian] market, getting access into that market. So I don’t know where their increases come from.”

He added: “I do remember years ago a chap, I think he was Kuwaiti or Saudi, just knocked on the door and bought a couple of buckets full of honey. I imagine he put it in his hand luggage.”

People in the UK honey business seem focused on other issues. Of all the honey that is consumed in the UK, it is a worry that less than 10% is produced here, Barton said, with cheap Chinese imports making up the stiffest competition.

As far as Brexit is concerned, a big issue is not so much exporting the end product to Saudi or anywhere else but importing queen bees, and on that, Brexit is proving more of a problem than a help.

Queens are reared in southern European countries and brought to the UK so that farmers can begin their hives earlier in the season. But Brexit red tape means the bees are now subject to expensive and disruptive veterinary checks.

As for the government’s claim that “a barrier resolution worth £550m to UK businesses over five years” has helped British beauty companies export to China, the barrier in question had nothing to do with Brexit, according to industry experts. In 2021, China relaxed rules on animal testing, which had been a big red line for UK manufacturers, making it easier to sell into their market.
 

Millie Kendall, chair of the British Beauty Council, said the loss of trade with the EU outweighed the gains by a long way. “What we really want is to sell to Europe and the US. Economically, we’ve lost £853m in exports to the EU. Sixty-five per cent of our exports go to Europe – £550m sounds nice but it’s not even what we’ve lost.”

One of Kendall’s members sent some products to Spain in August and they have still not arrived. Another, larger company has had to build a £1m warehouse in the EU simply to be able to distribute products. Most smaller companies have just given up, she said.

For larger sectors, Badenoch’s triumphs seemed trivial, experts said. The business secretary’s announcement said officials had unlocked £25m of exports for medicines and £17m of new business in Colombia.

“Together, these amounts represent less than 1% of the total value of the UK pharmaceutical exports of goods in 2022,” said Dr Jennifer Castañeda-Navarrete, a senior policy analyst at Cambridge Industrial Innovation Policy, based at Cambridge University’s Institute for Manufacturing.

In 2022, 46% of pharmaceutical exports went to the EU. She warned that Britain’s previously thriving pharmaceutical sector was now in a trade deficit because we have to import so much more medicine than before – the latest 2022 figures show a $5bn deficit globally, compared with a surplus of $9.7bn in 2010.

A business department spokesperson said: “Many, including the Observer, forecast dire predictions for the UK economy after Brexit. As this document shows, those forecasts have been proven completely false. Of course there have been issues, nobody ever said it will all be perfect.

“However, the report uses official statistics and many of the things people claim are down to Brexit are really down to Covid and supply chain issues. This report is intended as a useful corrective to the consistent doom and gloom about Brexit.”

But the business department’s press release makes no mention of the problems suffered by small UK companies, which have seen their export markets hit and in many cases wiped out. In 2022, researchers at Aston University estimated that 42% of British products previously exported to the EU had disappeared from shops there.

While large companies have been able to spend money on warehouses, vets, distributors, customs clearance, extra shipping costs and all the other red tape that arrived with Brexit, smaller ones have not.

Thomas Sampson, professor of economics at the London School of Economics, said the top 15% of companies had not seen a drop in exports to the EU, but for smaller businesses, there had been a 20% fall.

“It’s great that the DBT are working on removing market access barriers. But it’s all a little bit marginal relative to the seismic shock of leaving the single market and customs union,” Sampson said. “The big gains in the next five years will come by focusing on what’s happening with the EU and trying to simplify our relationship.”

David Henig, director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said that the government’s fourth anniversary of Brexit document was “the usual set of claims that are in various ways slightly distorted”.

 

 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/dover-tractor-protester-farmers-ready-launch-more-demonstrations

 

According to our resident EU expert, the farmers' rallies across the EU were the fault of the EU. So why are we starting to see farmers protests in the UK when we aren't in the EU?

[TheHowieLama]

On 30/01/2024 at 16:57, Gnasher said:

Inflation over America has also been high. Same as everywhere. To say otherwise is ridiculous. 

 

 

 

The current U.S. inflation rate is 3.4% for the 12-month period leading up to December 2023. The rate of inflation was up 0.3% in December from the previous month, according to the latest release from the Bureau of Labor Statistics

 

 

One of these things is not like the other.

[Gnasher]

Excellent this from Borrell. The sound of the penny finally dropping. So credit where credits due, although the post below it is correct.

 

 

Ursula the blood thirsty witch needs to go, and go quickly. She's a massive part of this worlds problems. 

 

 

 

 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/29/food-trade-bodies-consider-legal-action-brexit-not-for-eu-labelling

 

Lost count now of how many things Brexit has won 

[Gnasher]

This woman is war mad. Shes dangerous. We dodged a bullet getting a little way out of her grasp. One of this worlds biggest ghouls. Warmonger. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pete]

10 hours ago, Gnasher said:

This woman is war mad. Shes dangerous. We dodged a bullet getting a little way out of her grasp. One of this worlds biggest ghouls. Warmonger. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ooh look, squirrel!!!

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

ooh look, squirrel!!!

 

You/Mugface. Pair of blerts.

[Gnasher]

 

The sooner this woman is booted from the International stage the better. The Irish have got her number. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[skend04]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

ooh look, squirrel!!!

 

 

He's so lost with how Brexit has utterly failed the country he's resorted to exactly this. No idea what Ursula has to do with the UK committing Hari Kari in 2016 and the on going issues that keep rearing their heads.