Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

He's so lost with how Brexit has utterly failed the country he's resorted to exactly this. No idea what Ursula has to do with the UK committing Hari Kari in 2016 and the on going issues that keep rearing their heads. 

 

I'm not lost at all. The EU is on its knees and its only going to get worse. Their is a reason why not one of the main three party's are not pushing to rejoin. 

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I'm not lost at all. The EU is on its knees and its only going to get worse. Their is a reason why not one of the main three party's are not pushing to rejoin. 

 

Because they're scared to admit what a shit show it is. You can keep believing right-wing propaganda that the EU is on its knees, doesn't make it true.

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

Because they're scared to admit what a shit show it is. You can keep believing right-wing propaganda that the EU is on its knees, doesn't make it true.

 

Of course they're not. They know the main reason its been a failure thus far is a lack of planning and investment by the Tory government. My position going forward is pretty much the same as Starmers. 

 

The EU under this leader is following a dangerous direction of travel. 

[Kepler-186]

The EU wasn’t perfect but Britain was one of the top dogs and could’ve long carried out its role as Perfidious Albion to the Europeans and the Greeks to the Yanks’ Romans but its future was gambled away by a spiv with a posh accent to satisfy cunts in his party and their fucked up libertarian backers who think good public services are akin to Soviet style collectivisation. 
 

 

[Arniepie]

hasnt germany just become the worlds 3rd biggest economy in the world?

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

hasnt germany just become the worlds 3rd biggest economy in the world?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-21/germany-confirms-bleak-economic-outlook-with-2024-growth-of-0-2

 

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/02/germany-recession-africa-economy-news-stories-23-feb/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

Germany now world’s third-largest economy, as Japan slips into recession – POLITICO

[skend04]

44 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-21/germany-confirms-bleak-economic-outlook-with-2024-growth-of-0-2

 

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/02/germany-recession-africa-economy-news-stories-23-feb/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do realise this is against the backdrop of Germany weening itself off Putin's tit?

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

You do realise this is against the backdrop of Germany weening itself off Putin's tit?

 

??. What are wibbeling on about?  You obviously do not realise I was simply just providing infomation to a question. Try following the thread.

 

 

Letting Ursula/Britain/America blow up Nord stream and blame it on the Russians which resulted in millions of Europeans living with fuel poverty was certainly a novel way of 'weening yourself off Putins tit"

 

Anyway, St Davids day and I'm off out. 

[Kepler-186]

“Men of Harlech,

Stand ye steady,

It cannot be ever said we,

Don’t have Twitter links a plenty

Gnasher will not yield!“ 

 

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus, @Gnasher

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 Their is a reason why not one of the main three party's are not pushing to rejoin. 

Because the handful of tax-dodging billionaires who own the print media wouldn't let them; it would be framed as "out-of-touch elites trying to overturn the will of the people" (even though it would be something like the opposite of that).

 

Look at the 2019 General Election. Labour's plan was perfectly sensible and would have handed more power to the electorate; but it was portrayed as an attempt to keep re-running the Referendum until "the elites" got the result they wanted. Somehow, millions of people were persuaded that the way to avoid a re-run of the Referendum was to treat the General Election as a re-run of the Referendum.  The lesson all parties drew from that is NEVER QUESTION BREXIT.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

I'm not lost at all. The EU is on its knees and its only going to get worse. Their is a reason why not one of the main three party's are not pushing to rejoin. 

GDP per person (in US Dollars).

 

The UK is doing slightly better than the "on its knees" EU and slightly worse than the Eurozone.

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-per-capita-ppp?continent=europe 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Basically, everything that @Gnasher rightly criticises the EU for, "the whole point of Brexit" (according to the people who made it happen) is to make those things worse.

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

“Men of Harlech,

Stand ye steady,

It cannot be ever said we,

Don’t have Twitter links a plenty

Gnasher will not yield!“ 

 

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus, @Gnasher

 

Aw diolch friend. 

 

Great day, Welsh cakes and kids in full costume with great voices. Terrible weather though. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Here's one of the architects of Brexit openly talking about killing off the NHS.

 

In case it needs stating again; these cunts lied and 51.9% of the voters fell for it.

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Here's one of the architects of Brexit openly talking about killing off the NHS.

 

In case it needs stating again; these cunts lied and 51.9% of the voters fell for it.

 

Erm... from the government's own figures-

 

 

[Arniepie]

the co founder of the leave campaign agrees with a woman who thinks jewish space lasers are causing wildfires.

 

and the mystery of why brexit isnt a roaring sucess,deepens.

[Mudface]

Another Brexit bonus, the wins just keep on piling up- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/migrant-workers-greater-risk-modern-slavery-brexit-research

 

Quote

 

Migrant workers at greater risk of modern slavery after Brexit, research finds

Exclusive: Visas created hastily to solve labour shortages expose people to ‘hyper-precarity’ and exploitation
 

Visas created hastily to solve labour shortages as a result of Brexit have put workers at greater risk of modern slavery and exploitation, research has found.

Strict conditions on agricultural and care visas created after Britain left the EU expose workers to “hyper-precarity” and increase their vulnerability to exploitation, a study by a coalition of leading universities and charities has concluded. Since Brexit, farm workers and care home workers have had a route to Britain on time-limited visas with stringent conditions.

Workers on the schemes faced significant issues of debt and deductions from wages because of illegal recruitment fees as well as costs incurred from travel, training, accommodation and high visa charges, researchers found. They also described deception by intermediaries, who misled workers about the conditions and length of employment they could expect.

Migrant workers’ vulnerability to exploitation was compounded by the hostile environment as fears of immigration enforcement action deterred them from reporting mistreatment or exploitation to the authorities, researchers found. The risks were increased by the fact that government agencies charged with enforcing employment rights were underfunded and did not have capacity to audit workplaces proactively, the study said.

Dr Inga Thiemann at the University of Leicester, who led the research team, said there was a high risk of “labour exploitation and debt bondage” under both visas. She said Brexit had made workers more vulnerable because those coming from Europe had previously “had the possibility to make complaints and to talk about labour exploitation because they wouldn’t risk their status automatically if their employer revoked the sponsorship”.

Thiemann added: “What we see a lot of in the care sector is that people aren’t willing to come forward even if they are experiencing severe labour abuse because they are not sure that they can find another sponsor within the timeframe that the Home Office gives them to do so. So they’re more afraid of losing their job and having to go back home and having all this debt they have incurred than they are of continuing with the exploitation they are experiencing.”

She said it needed to be easier for workers to change employers, so that moving jobs was “an actual possibility”, adding: “It cannot stay in this hypothetical state because otherwise workers are just too vulnerable.”

One man who came to Britain from the Philippines under a care worker visa in 2022 said he often had to work 12-hour shifts without breaks looking after residents with dementia for minimum wage. The man, 30, who previously worked as a teacher, said he paid more than £3,000 for flights for him and his wife to come at less than two weeks’ notice and was still paying his sister back for the flight.

He told the Guardian: “Everything just goes on whatever you’re paying for and nothing is left. I tried my luck here but right now I have more debt than before and I’ve been here a year and a half.”

He said he was also being charged almost £300 a month in unclear fees from the agents who brought him to Britain. “They say it’s for processing of our visas, but in my opinion they’re trying to get money from us,” he said.

He had been expecting accommodation to be included with the job but had to rent a room in a shared house with his wife and new baby, which uses up most of his income. “I came here to give my family a good chance of living and provide for them and it’s a scary feeling to be in this spot.

“Some of my colleagues had to pay job-finding fees of thousands of pounds to get here … I’m continuously looking for another job. My colleagues even sold land and cars back home just to come here. I need to be strong for my kid and my wife but it’s very stressful.”

Care worker visas have also come under criticism from the former chief inspector of borders and immigration, whose inspection of immigration in the care sector was published this week. In his foreword, David Neal wrote that the Home Office had used a visa model based on one for highly skilled workers sponsored by multinationals and “applied it to a high-risk area – migration into an atomised and poorly paid sector”.

Neal noted: “Its control measures to mitigate the risk were totally inadequate. There is just one compliance officer for every 1,600 employers licensed to sponsor migrant workers.”

The seasonal worker visa has faced similar criticism and was rolled out before a pilot of the plan was reviewed. The report noted that the Home Office continued to expand the scheme despite strong evidence of worker exploitation and mistreatment.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “We do not tolerate illegal activity in the labour market and will always take decisive action where we believe abusive practices are taking place. To address concerns about abuse within the health and care worker sector, providers in England are now only able to sponsor migrant workers if they are undertaking activities regulated by the Care Quality Commission.

“The seasonal workers route has been running for four years and each year improvements have been made to stop exploitation and clamp down on poor working conditions while people are in the UK.”

 

 

[skend04]

Ursula von der Leyen post incoming in 3....2....1....

[SasaS]

On 01/03/2024 at 15:17, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Because the handful of tax-dodging billionaires who own the print media wouldn't let them; it would be framed as "out-of-touch elites trying to overturn the will of the people" (even though it would be something like the opposite of that).

 

Look at the 2019 General Election. Labour's plan was perfectly sensible and would have handed more power to the electorate; but it was portrayed as an attempt to keep re-running the Referendum until "the elites" got the result they wanted. Somehow, millions of people were persuaded that the way to avoid a re-run of the Referendum was to treat the General Election as a re-run of the Referendum.  The lesson all parties drew from that is NEVER QUESTION BREXIT.

 

The lesson may have been, if you've just had a referendum, don't go to the general elections with ambiguous proposals alienating your base which clearly told you what they want (right or wrong is beside the point).

[Bruce Spanner]

Starting to think we didn't make the most of these Brexit freedoms...

 

'Post Brexit “common user charge” for inspection of food/ plant imports from the EU from later this month… £10 or £29 for every different type, even for small consignments … charge capped at £145 for a mixed consignment with fish, salami, cheese, sausage and yoghurt

 

This is what industry called the “Brexit Border food import tax” when they tried to delay it (successfully)… and multiple industry bodies not happy:

“Quite brutal” said one privately saying reality is lots of small importers now paying £145 for even a small mixed consignment

 

Cold Chain Federation: “extremely disappointing… last minute, leaving affected businesses little time … reinforces the Government’s slapdash approach …

 

“Our main concern is that this is now certain to negatively affect food prices”.

 

Horticultural Trade Association : “policy that feels like it is constructed on back of envelope at best...come at worst time...undoubtedly increase costs. increase likelihood of empty shelves.”

 

“announcement at eleventh hour confirms our fears in just one month, UK horticulture’s competitiveness again hit for no material gain”

 

Government says that this is necessary for biosecurity, and farming groups and other have called for a level period as Uk exporters are charged the equivalent of these fees when exporting from GB to EU… applies to all medium-high risk imports even if not actually inspected…'

 

We should just tell Johnny Foreigner that we're bloody British and they can like it or lump it, God save the King.

[Bruce Spanner]

PS: Tomorrow sees the start of forrins only being allowed in if they earn near 40K, and obviously want to leave their spouse, kids and home behind to come and live in Blighty's hostile enviroment.

 

God save the fucking King!

[Anubis]

Isn’t that going to completely fuck care homes?

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Isn’t that going to completely fuck care homes?

 

Yes and the new childcare provision they have tried to trumpet despite everyone knowing it won't fucking work.

 

Fuck the old, God save the King.

[Jairzinho]

14 hours ago, Anubis said:

Isn’t that going to completely fuck care homes?

 

That and almost every single other sector.