Go fuck yourselves FSG

[No2]

2 hours ago, TheDrowningMan said:

In which case loyalty would be his Achilles’ heel; the thing that means he falls short of the likes of Ferguson and, for all the monetary privilege, Guardiola. *If* that’s the case, I think it’s a real shame because it means he’s blown an amazing chance win a fair bit more than he has.
 

Personally, I’m not convinced he’s happy with it, and just isn’t the sort of person to play hardball with his bosses, but I might be wrong.

 

Loyalty is absolutely his achilles heel but also his greatest strength.  He hasn't sold a single established first team player that didn't want to leave (bar Benteke and Sahko). Essentially once you're one of his boys you remain one of his boys forever. He done an interview with a Northern Irish BBC journalist who's name escapes me and he spelt it out then. He prides himself on the lifelong relationships he has with his boys. Bobby, Ox, Sadio, Naby, the list goes on, these guys are not being sold against their will on Jurgens watch. It just won't happen. You leave when your contract is up, if you want to leave or if you rock the boat. Other than than that the contract is sacred. 

 

Jurgen Klopp Sales At Liverpool

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Date	Player	TO	Fee
2016
July 1st	Lawrence Vigouroux	Swindon Town	£432k
July 1st	Jordan Rossiter	Rangers	FREE
July 1st	Jerome Sinclair	Watford	FREE
July 1st	João Carlos Teixeira	FC Porto	FREE
July 13th	Sergi Canos	Norwich City	£2.7m
July 14th	Jordan Ibe	Bournemouth	£16.2m
July 15th	Martin Skrtel	Fenerbahce	£5.4m
July 24th	Kolo Toure	Celtic	FREE
July 25th	Joe Allen	Stoke City	£13.95m
July 27th	Brad Smith	Bournemouth	£3.24m
August 20th	Christian Benteke	Crystal Palace	£28.08m
August 31st	Luis Alberto	Lazio	£3.6m
August 31st	Mario Balotelli	OGC Nice	FREE
2017
January 18th	Thiago Ilori	Reading	£3.87m
July 1st	Alex Manninger		RETIRED
July 1st	Andre Wisdom	Derby County	£2.07m
July 18th	Lucas Leiva	Lazio	£5.13m
July 21st	Kevin Stewart	Hull City	£4.05m
August 31st	Mamadou Sakho	Crystal Palace	£25.38m
2018
January 8th	Philippe Coutinho	Barcelona	£121.5m
January 11th	Cameron Brannagan	Oxford United	£203k
July 1st	Emre Can	Juventus	FREE
July 1st	John Flanagan	Rangers	FREE
July 20th	Danny Ward	Leicester City	£12.6m
August 17th	Ragnar Klavan	Cagliari	£1.37m
2019
January 4th	Dominic Solanke	Bournemouth	£19.08m
January 31st	Lazar Markovic	Fulham	FREE
July 1st	Danny Ings	Southampton	£22.59m
July 1st	Rafael Camacho	Sporting CP	£4.5m
July 1st	Connor Randall		RELEASED
July 1st	Adam Bogdan		RELEASED
July 9th	Alberto Moreno	Villareal	FREE
August 5th	Simon Mignolet	Club Brugge	£6.3m
August 7th	George Johnston	Feyenoord	£270k
August 21st	Daniel Sturridge	Trabzonspor	FREE
September 2nd	Ryan Kent	Rangers	£6.48m
2020
January 8th	Allan	Clube Atlético Mineiro	£3.15m
July 1st	Pedro Chirivella	FC Nantes	FREE
July 27th	Adam Lallana	Brighton	FREE
August 1st	Dejan Lovren	Zenit	£10.8m
August 1st	Andy Lonergan		RELEASED
August 28th	Ovie Ejaria	Reading	£3.51m
September 7th	Isaac Christie-Davies	Barnsley	FREE
September 19th	Ki-Jana Hoever	Wolves	£8.82m
October 2nd	Rhian Brewster	Sheffield United	£23.4m
October 14th	Nathaniel Clyne	Crystal Palace	FREE
October 16th	Herbie Kane	Barnsley	£1.26m
2021
July 1st	Georginio Wijnaldum	PSG	FREE
July 3rd	Kamil Grabara	FC Copenhagen	£3.15m
July 8th	Liam Millar	FC Basel	£1.35m
July 8th	Joe Hardy	Accrington	FREE
July 20th	Taiwo Awoniyi	Union Berlin	£5.85m
July 24th	Harry Wilson	Fulham	£12.6m
July 28th	Yasser Larouci	Troyes	FREE
23rd August	Xherdan Shaqiri	Olympique Lyonnais	£5.4m

[stringvest]

One of Shankly's biggest regrets was hanging onto players too long.

[Red74]

He has to sell to buy. We’ve done this for years. Remember the wasting of the Suarez money.

 

Klopp done an interview after one of the games earlier in the season and he said he couldn't bring a forward in as no one came in for Origi which amazed him.

 

I still cant understand why Ox is still here. He never got a look in last season and had a face on every week and is now getting overlooked by 17 year old kids this season. 
 

They don’t trust each other so surely you’d get your agent to start touting you around and get you out of here. 
 

It’s a shame Bissouma let himself and more importantly me down with his nightclub escapades after I’d been championing him, if he gets off I’d go in for him or Declan Rice. 2 players who know the league and can handle themselves on the pitch. Both of them are massive upgrades on what we’ve got outside of Fabinho and I reckon we’d get more out of them than Bellingham whose never played at this level. 

[Anubis]

49 minutes ago, Red74 said:

It’s a shame Bissouma let himself and more importantly me down…

I thought that you were going to say you were the person he allegedly felt up…

[niallers]

We can kiss the tiniest chance of them spending this month as the baseball players in the States are thinking bout going on strike over money, meaning revenue streams will be down so fsg will be keeping a very tight grip the non existent purse strings

[Harry Squatter]

The writing was on the wall after we won the Champions League. The peak amount of TV and CL revenue, only challengers to Man City domestically. The best manager in the world in the most attractive and lucrative league with no Spanish teams to compete with in the transfer market. But we sign a free agent keeper who was shit and two teenagers. 

[Red74]

39 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I thought that you were going to say you were the person he allegedly felt up…

I wish 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I really don't want to re live 90s liverpool again please if we can help it. My quim can't take it.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

The FSGDL will have to go into overdrive in the next few months as it will be  and should be rough on here.

[Moo]

Chill the fuck out everyone, we have the numbers in midfield.

[Harry Squatter]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

Chill the fuck out everyone, we have the numbers in midfield.

Yep. Milner and Henderson 66 combined.

 

Thiago, Oxlade Chamberlain and Keita about 25,000 minutes in the Physio room. 

[John102]

4 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

The writing was on the wall after we won the Champions League. The peak amount of TV and CL revenue, only challengers to Man City domestically. The best manager in the world in the most attractive and lucrative league with no Spanish teams to compete with in the transfer market. But we sign a free agent keeper who was shit and two teenagers. 

The problem when you have just made lots of money is that people want to charge you too much, so you can't buy anyone. Plus who could we have bought that would have got into that team?

 

I can't remember the other reasons we didn't spend anything. Perhaps we are still playing the long game and waiting until the end of the summer. We have to wait and see what happens first.

[Boss]

7 hours ago, No2 said:

Loyalty is absolutely his achilles heel but also his greatest strength.  He hasn't sold a single established first team player that didn't want to leave (bar Benteke and Sahko). Essentially once you're one of his boys you remain one of his boys forever. He done an interview with a Northern Irish BBC journalist who's name escapes me and he spelt it out then. He prides himself on the lifelong relationships he has with his boys. Bobby, Ox, Sadio, Naby, the list goes on, these guys are not being sold against their will on Jurgens watch. It just won't happen. You leave when your contract is up, if you want to leave or if you rock the boat. Other than than that the contract is sacred. 

 

Jurgen Klopp Sales At Liverpool

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Date	Player	TO	Fee
2016
July 1st	Lawrence Vigouroux	Swindon Town	£432k
July 1st	Jordan Rossiter	Rangers	FREE
July 1st	Jerome Sinclair	Watford	FREE
July 1st	João Carlos Teixeira	FC Porto	FREE
July 13th	Sergi Canos	Norwich City	£2.7m
July 14th	Jordan Ibe	Bournemouth	£16.2m
July 15th	Martin Skrtel	Fenerbahce	£5.4m
July 24th	Kolo Toure	Celtic	FREE
July 25th	Joe Allen	Stoke City	£13.95m
July 27th	Brad Smith	Bournemouth	£3.24m
August 20th	Christian Benteke	Crystal Palace	£28.08m
August 31st	Luis Alberto	Lazio	£3.6m
August 31st	Mario Balotelli	OGC Nice	FREE
2017
January 18th	Thiago Ilori	Reading	£3.87m
July 1st	Alex Manninger		RETIRED
July 1st	Andre Wisdom	Derby County	£2.07m
July 18th	Lucas Leiva	Lazio	£5.13m
July 21st	Kevin Stewart	Hull City	£4.05m
August 31st	Mamadou Sakho	Crystal Palace	£25.38m
2018
January 8th	Philippe Coutinho	Barcelona	£121.5m
January 11th	Cameron Brannagan	Oxford United	£203k
July 1st	Emre Can	Juventus	FREE
July 1st	John Flanagan	Rangers	FREE
July 20th	Danny Ward	Leicester City	£12.6m
August 17th	Ragnar Klavan	Cagliari	£1.37m
2019
January 4th	Dominic Solanke	Bournemouth	£19.08m
January 31st	Lazar Markovic	Fulham	FREE
July 1st	Danny Ings	Southampton	£22.59m
July 1st	Rafael Camacho	Sporting CP	£4.5m
July 1st	Connor Randall		RELEASED
July 1st	Adam Bogdan		RELEASED
July 9th	Alberto Moreno	Villareal	FREE
August 5th	Simon Mignolet	Club Brugge	£6.3m
August 7th	George Johnston	Feyenoord	£270k
August 21st	Daniel Sturridge	Trabzonspor	FREE
September 2nd	Ryan Kent	Rangers	£6.48m
2020
January 8th	Allan	Clube Atlético Mineiro	£3.15m
July 1st	Pedro Chirivella	FC Nantes	FREE
July 27th	Adam Lallana	Brighton	FREE
August 1st	Dejan Lovren	Zenit	£10.8m
August 1st	Andy Lonergan		RELEASED
August 28th	Ovie Ejaria	Reading	£3.51m
September 7th	Isaac Christie-Davies	Barnsley	FREE
September 19th	Ki-Jana Hoever	Wolves	£8.82m
October 2nd	Rhian Brewster	Sheffield United	£23.4m
October 14th	Nathaniel Clyne	Crystal Palace	FREE
October 16th	Herbie Kane	Barnsley	£1.26m
2021
July 1st	Georginio Wijnaldum	PSG	FREE
July 3rd	Kamil Grabara	FC Copenhagen	£3.15m
July 8th	Liam Millar	FC Basel	£1.35m
July 8th	Joe Hardy	Accrington	FREE
July 20th	Taiwo Awoniyi	Union Berlin	£5.85m
July 24th	Harry Wilson	Fulham	£12.6m
July 28th	Yasser Larouci	Troyes	FREE
23rd August	Xherdan Shaqiri	Olympique Lyonnais	£5.4m

 

Out of all of them, only Solanke has gone on to be a better player than he was here.

[Anubis]

3 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

The FSGDL will have to go into overdrive in the next few months as it will be  and should be rough on here.

And you like it rough, don’t you, Tiger?

 

[VladimirIlyich]

30 minutes ago, John102 said:

The problem when you have just made lots of money is that people want to charge you too much, so you can't buy anyone. Plus who could we have bought that would have got into that team?

 

I can't remember the other reasons we didn't spend anything. Perhaps we are still playing the long game and waiting until the end of the summer. We have to wait and see what happens first.

Good old Wait and See. We've been doing that almost every transfer window since Klopp took over. It's absolutely criminal that he hasn't had the budget he deserves. I wish they'd have been as tight fisted with Bodgers instead.

[Harry Squatter]

35 minutes ago, John102 said:

The problem when you have just made lots of money is that people want to charge you too much, so you can't buy anyone. Plus who could we have bought that would have got into that team?

 

I can't remember the other reasons we didn't spend anything. Perhaps we are still playing the long game and waiting until the end of the summer. We have to wait and see what happens first.

We could have easily bought a player around the £30-£35m Mark and sold Origi on rather than giving him a contract. The new player would have got enough games and kept the front 3 on their toes.

 

Origi may have been riding the crest of a wave after his goals against Barcelona, Newcastle and Spurs but Klopp loaned him out previously so didn't really want him, we could have kept up the pretence that he was consistent and whoever Was buying him was getting a decent striker.

 

There was never any pressure on the front 3 until we got Jota. 

 

 

[Harry Squatter]

5 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Good old Wait and See. We've been doing that almost every transfer window since Klopp took over. It's absolutely criminal that he hasn't had the budget he deserves. I wish they'd have been as tight fisted with Bodgers instead.

The sell to buy policy must be shit to plan for. You're expecting clubs to come in for players you don't want amd will fuck you around. Only when you sort that out can you go out and get who you want. If no one wants to buy your shite you don't sign anyone. 

[No2]

42 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Out of all of them, only Solanke has gone on to be a better player than he was here.

What's that got to do with what I said? My point was he's old skool, he's loyal to a fault. Moreno, Lalanna, Can, Sturridge all allowed stay well beyond their sell by date because they had a contract, even Clyne wasn't paid off or kicked out. Ferguson or Guardiola would freeze out a player not performing, pimp them out to other clubs, Klopp will try and get performances from Bobby until the last day of his contract unless he asks to leave. This talk of replacing Ox, Keita, Bobby, Manè and the likes is fanciful,  he will never sell one "his" players that is working hard and not acting the bollox regardless of performance level. That's why not 1 ex player has ever bitched about him and Ferguson and Pep would need 4 hands to count their ex players that hate their guts.

 

Edit, just remembered the Karius incident, apparently he was all set to stick by him until players complained about his video in LA. Karius still remains the only regular starter he ever binned.

[VladimirIlyich]

5 minutes ago, No2 said:

What's that got to do with what I said? My point was he's old skool, he's loyal to a fault. Moreno, Lalanna, Can, Sturridge all allowed stay well beyond their sell by date because they had a contract, even Clyne wasn't paid off or kicked out. Ferguson or Guardiola would freeze out a player not performing, pimp them out to other clubs, Klopp will try and get performances from Bobby until the last day of his contract unless he asks to leave. This talk of replacing Ox, Keita, Bobby, Manè and the likes is fanciful,  he will never sell one "his" players that is working hard and not acting the bollox regardless of performance level. That's why not 1 ex player has ever bitched about him and Ferguson and Pep would need 4 hands to count their ex players that hate their guts.

 

Edit, just remembered the Karius incident, apparently he was all set to stick by him until players complained about his video in LA. Karius still remains the only regular starter he ever binned.

Solanke? Isn't he now playing in The Championship?

[Moo]

1 hour ago, John102 said:

The problem when you have just made lots of money is that people want to charge you too much, so you can't buy anyone. Plus who could we have bought that would have got into that team?

 

I can't remember the other reasons we didn't spend anything. Perhaps we are still playing the long game and waiting until the end of the summer. We have to wait and see what happens first.

I know you've had what appears to be a few serious replies, but this is a piss take right? Right?

[Moo]

37 minutes ago, No2 said:

What's that got to do with what I said? My point was he's old skool, he's loyal to a fault. Moreno, Lalanna, Can, Sturridge all allowed stay well beyond their sell by date because they had a contract, even Clyne wasn't paid off or kicked out. Ferguson or Guardiola would freeze out a player not performing, pimp them out to other clubs, Klopp will try and get performances from Bobby until the last day of his contract unless he asks to leave. This talk of replacing Ox, Keita, Bobby, Manè and the likes is fanciful,  he will never sell one "his" players that is working hard and not acting the bollox regardless of performance level. That's why not 1 ex player has ever bitched about him and Ferguson and Pep would need 4 hands to count their ex players that hate their guts.

 

Edit, just remembered the Karius incident, apparently he was all set to stick by him until players complained about his video in LA. Karius still remains the only regular starter he ever binned.

But some of the players you mention are not regular starters.  No way Klopp wouldn't want to sell bit-part and/or injury prone players if the price was right (for the club) and bring in better ones.  But there's hardly a market for them.  

You bring in better players and suddenly the writing is on the wall for one or two and it's them who realise it's time to go, Klopp doesn't have to force them out, the evolution of a team dictates that. Unfortunately we do not appear to be in a position to bring new players in without clearing out the old ones first.

[No2]

5 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Solanke? Isn't he now playing in The Championship?

He was never a regular, he was a kid and I bet you my last dollar Klopp was totally honest with him and helped him with his next move.

[No2]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

But some of the players you mention are not regular starters.  No way Klopp wouldn't want to sell bit-part and/or injury prone players if the price was right (for the club) and bring in better ones.  But there's hardly a market for them.  

You bring in better players and suddenly the writing is on the wall for one or two and it's them who realise it's time to go, Klopp doesn't have to force them out, the evolution of a team dictates that. Unfortunately we do not appear to be in a position to bring new players in without clearing out the old ones first.

I mean senior pros that have put in the hours for Klopp, he's not binning them to bring him a shiny new player. I'd be confident he hasn't sold one single player with 50 starts or more* that didn't want to leave.

 

* starts for Klopp, Benteke,  Sakho etc don't count.

[3 Stacks]

1 hour ago, Moo said:

Chill the fuck out everyone, we have the numbers in midfield.

We do. Loads of people were saying the worry was we'd have a similar situation in midfield that we'd have at centre back last season, which was a ridiculous concern.

 

Not letting go of and replacing the players who haven't performed in midfield, like Keita or Ox, or who are cooked like Milner is the problem.

[Moo]

4 minutes ago, No2 said:

I mean senior pros that have put in the hours for Klopp, he's not binning them to bring him a shiny new player. I'd be confident he hasn't sold one single player with 50 starts or more* that didn't want to leave.

 

* starts for Klopp, Benteke,  Sakho etc don't count.

"...that didn't want to leave" is key.  I'm sure Lovren for example didn't want to leave but he knew he had to if he wanted first team football.  He won't be the only one.

And have Oxlade Chamberlain and Keita got 50 starts even?  If not then by your measure they are fair game, so why are they still here?  Because no one wants them at a price that would be acceptable to the club.