Summer 2011

[J-V]

 

:D

[Horus]

McLeish didn't have a problem agreeing £fuckall for Young, I don't care what the arguement is regarding contract length, he could have cost exactly the same in January or even more, seeing as he would likely tip the title race for whoever he signed for.

 

Nah, old pals act, ginger cunt.

 

It's upto Downing now, slap in the transfer request and rile them. To be honest, he should have done it from the off, as Young did.

But I'd still pay £20m for him. This is the difference between being hard-headed and being determined to build this team in the way we want it.

Yes, we could look elsewhere, but it wouldn't be Kenny's first choice. I'd rather pay the premium and get the team Kenny is dreaming of, rather than the one our pride lands us with.

 

So much this. Same with fat head and dave whelan

 

You should both be embarrassed. It had everything to do with his contract situation, regardless of whether or not you care about the argument. Villa could not get to January and expect to sell him for £16m with a few months left on his contract. At best, they would probably get £5-8m, at worst, he tells them he's sitting out his contract to make himself more valuable in the summer.

 

You have to take into consideration the fact that, if he'd chosen us, then AM would have sanctioned that deal too. It's not always a worldwide footballing conspiracy to make sure we don't return to the pinnacle of European football, y'know.

 

We can't expect teams to have seen us pay £35m for AC, and then hand over their players to us, because we'll moan on a forum if they don't. They have to look out for themselves. They currently have Albrighton and Downing as their wide men for next season, which looks very good for a team like Villa. AM's job, personal success, and stature in the game, is far more important to him than any "old pals act."

[Josef Svejk]

You should both be embarrassed. It had everything to do with his contract situation, regardless of whether or not you care about the argument. Villa could not get to January and expect to sell him for £16m with a few months left on his contract. At best, they would probably get £5-8m, at worst, he tells them he's sitting out his contract to make himself more valuable in the summer.

 

You have to take into consideration the fact that, if he'd chosen us, then AM would have sanctioned that deal too. It's not always a worldwide footballing conspiracy to make sure we don't return to the pinnacle of European football, y'know.

 

We can't expect teams to have seen us pay £35m for AC, and then hand over their players to us, because we'll moan on a forum if they don't. They have to look out for themselves. They currently have Albrighton and Downing as their wide men for next season, which looks very good for a team like Villa. AM's job, personal success, and stature in the game, is far more important to him than any "old pals act."

 

Is that you, Mr Ferguson? :whistle:

[raw red]

I think i can compare him to bentley though to be honest.

 

bentley was up there with the best in 2008

Football: Opta stats: Premier League player rankings | Football | guardian.co.uk

 

his crosses and passes where ridiculous at times, and he scored something like 8 goals and 13 assists, he looked decent to me. but then he started to become over hyped and the fees being flown around at the time where ridiculous considering he only had one or two decent seasons.

 

I want to compared him, because downing is the same, downing has only had one or two decent seasons ( not even fantastic), and now they want 20 million for him? and we might actually sign him for that? ugh.

 

in 2008 he scored 2 hatricks ( i think) so even though those stats are decent, they arent as good people might think.

 

screw the assists. modric only had 3 assists last year, but he is a vital part of spurs team, he helps them tick.

 

downing is much much better decision maker than bentley. david bentley is the classic....."get it down the line and whip it is" bullshit kind of player. the amount of times you see him try something stupid, like trying to beat two defenders when marked closely is shocking. he is the classic run down a blind ally type player.

 

he does not make the right pass often enough. a player like downing does. bentley has never been up there with the best, its all british media bullshit hype.

 

ive always said he was proper shit and i was right about him. i think downing is ok and decent but will help the team function.

 

wenger got rid of bentley very bloody quickly, and the reason is he knew he was shit and didnt make the right decisions at the right times.

 

he is the kind of guy who if you brought him on with 20 mins to go, needing a goal, would take five 25 yard pot shots.....aiming for glory......but most would hit the defenders shins.

 

although i dont think that much of downing he is a much much better player then david bentley will ever be..

[Macedonian_Red]

you cant compare bentley to downing

 

Actually, he can ... At the moment, Downing is exactly where Bentley used to be 3 years ago, before his big move to Tottenham ... An English international, one of the best crossers in the league ...

[Red Phoenix]

he is the kind of guy who if you brought him on with 20 mins to go, needing a goal, would take five 25 yard pot shots.....aiming for glory......but most would hit the defenders shins.

 

That's kind of what I meant about needing the right manager, someone who'd tell him to work for the team instead of doing anything else. He still has time, but it's probably not likely he'll find the right club/manager now unless he realises what he should be doing himself.

 

Actually, he can ... At the moment, Downing is exactly where Bentley used to be 3 years ago, before his big move to Tottenham ... An English international, one of the best crossers in the league ...

 

It's a lot more likely he's about to find the right club though. And he's a faster player.

[raw red]

I think Bentley would've been a class player if he'd had the right club, team and manager personally. He has the ability, I just don't think he's had the right guidance or team to fit in with properly enough.

 

And yeah I know you can say he's done fuck all, but that's what I mean about guidance, I think the right manager would've turned him into a great player. Seems to need the right mentality instilling into him.

 

'Arry was probably telling him to "Get it onto X players 'ed son and hit a decent free kick." I doubt that was enough to help him. I bet Kenny, or as much as I hate to say it, Slur, would've turned him into a good player by making him work for the team in the right way.

 

he had one of the finest managers ever in regards to devloping youth and bringing a player on to fullfill his potential in arsne wenger.

 

wenger realised quickly that this kid just doesnt listen and wants to be the star. he wants to take shots from 30 yards. he wants to try and beat two defenders (even though he has no skill or pace) and cross the ball so he can be the one who created the goal and gets the assist. when there was an easier pass for a better placed team mate to cross all along......

 

kenny, ferguson, hiddink, cappello none of them could have made him into the player people think he should have been. he is over hyped by the british media (in world cup year) as they always do.......

 

if wenger couldnt get him to listen in a team that plas such simple football, then nobody had a chance. ive seen harry redknapp bring bentley on in games, needing a goal and the shit bentley did had harry shaking his head. tried to do it all himself, the wonder goal, the bekham like cross from deep....he's shit and even if god came to earth he couldnt make him a better player.

[raw red]

Actually, he can ... At the moment, Downing is exactly where Bentley used to be 3 years ago, before his big move to Tottenham ... An English international, one of the best crossers in the league ...

 

best crossers in the league?! lol

 

oh please do fuck off now. he is an over hyped british player, hyped by the media in a world cup year.

 

he has been total shit, he doesnt even make the starting 11!

 

but yea he is as good as downing, sure.

 

sometimes i wonder if people just look at stats and think its enough. look at the fucking player, what he does in 90 minutes, the decisions he makes........when to run with it, when to pass it, how deep to drop, how does he track his runners.....

 

thats the kind of thing that matters, not that he scored a 40 yarder once in a life time goal for spurs vs arsenal.........oh yea that means he is quality.

 

fukin hell!

[Red Phoenix]

if wenger couldnt get him to listen in a team that plas such simple football, then nobody had a chance. ive seen harry redknapp bring bentley on in games, needing a goal and the shit bentley did had harry shaking his head. tried to do it all himself, the wonder goal, the bekham like cross from deep....he's shit and even if god came to earth he couldnt make him a better player.

 

Maybe, I just think Wenger has more of a knack for getting the right players together than actually helping guide and develop them. Or maybe Wenger is good enough at doing that, but Bentley just needed a few years to get his ego out of the way. He'd probably be a lot better at taking in new ideas now after things haven't worked out so well for him.

 

Admitted you might be a lot closer to the truth, I just saw a lot of skill in the guy and think he could've turned out better with some help.

[raw red]

That's kind of what I meant about needing the right manager, someone who'd tell him to work for the team instead of doing anything else. He still has time, but it's probably not likely he'll find the right club/manager now unless he realises what he should be doing himself.

 

 

 

It's a lot more likely he's about to find the right club though. And he's a faster player.

 

i see what your saying mate

 

i jsut dont think he has that in his locker. its what makes good to great players stand out from ordinary ones.

 

football is a game many people can play, many people can controla ball, run with a ball and cross a ball.......its knowing when to do it that makes them a professional.

 

you cant teach a football brain and you cant teach touch/vision........players are born with it.

 

bentely does have a decent touch, his vision isnt bad.........but his football brain and decision making are sunday league.......very poor and very average.

 

fuck him, and fuck trying to get a cheaper version than downing and hoping we can make him better........we tried that with pennant......we have no time.

[raw red]

Maybe, I just think Wenger has more of a knack for getting the right players together than actually helping guide and develop them. Or maybe Wenger is good enough at doing that, but Bentley just needed a few years to get his ego out of the way. He'd probably be a lot better at taking in new ideas now after things haven't worked out so well for him.

 

Admitted you might be a lot closer to the truth, I just saw a lot of skill in the guy and think he could've turned out better with some help.

 

fair enough, we all se the game differntyl thats whats makes it great to talk about.

 

ive never seen anything in his body movement or ability to suggest he is a mid table to championship player if im honest.

 

he doesnt have pace, he doesnt have good tricks to create himself some space, and he doesnt have the football brain to help him when he most needs it. ive watched him so many times and thought "why the fuck did you run there for" or "why did you cross it from 35 yards out when you had an easier pass inside"

 

beyond average.

[Macedonian_Red]

best crossers in the league?! lol

 

oh please do fuck off now. he is an over hyped british player, hyped by the media in a world cup year.

 

Unfortunately for your case, the stats don't lie ...

 

bentley was up there with the best in 2008

Football: Opta stats: Premier League player rankings | Football | guardian.co.uk

 

Crosses and corners attempted and crosses and corners accuracy:

 

1. Bentley 416 25.72%

2. Downing 383 25.07%

3. Young 340 26.76%

[Red Phoenix]

you cant teach a football brain and you cant teach touch/vision........players are born with it.

 

bentely does have a decent touch, his vision isnt bad.........but his football brain and decision making are sunday league.......very poor and very average.

 

fuck him, and fuck trying to get a cheaper version than downing and hoping we can make him better........we tried that with pennant......we have no time.

 

You can probably teach a footballing brain and touch to an extent, (vision probably not so easy though.) which is why players develop when at the right clubs early on, but at a later age, yeah maybe not so much. As for Downing I think he'll do alright, especially if he has our players and Kenny's way of doing things to fit in with.

[raw red]

Unfortunately for your case, the stats don't lie ...

 

 

 

Crosses and corners attempted and crosses and corners accuracy:

 

1. Bentley 416 25.72%

2. Downing 383 25.07%

3. Young 340 26.76%

 

if those stats are 3 years old

 

fuck off

 

if those stats are from last year, bentley played nowhere near as much games as either downing or young....fuck off.

 

i will point out again, modric had very low assists last year......stats mean fuck all at times.......its what you see with your eyes. and its what makes a team more effective and function better.

 

end result = you can fuck off.

[raw red]

You can probably teach a footballing brain and touch to an extent, (vision probably not so easy though.) which is why players develop when at the right clubs early on, but at a later age, yeah maybe not so much. As for Downing I think he'll do alright, especially if he has our players and Kenny's way of doing things to fit in with.

 

i disagree regarding a football brain. but i respect your opinion and repect the way youve put it forward, maybe im wrong.....

 

but i have played football all my life. i have seen a guy built like adebayor, great touch, un real shot......power......had the lot......but was just shit becuase when it came to playing in a team, he was crap. he didnt understand simple things liek when to use hs team mates and when to go alone.....

 

for 5 years different managers tried to get him to change, nurture him and talk to him. he didnt change. its not that he was stubborn, he just couldnt do it. he didnt see what he should be seeing.

 

i know its a shit example, and he is an amatuer player but in my 20 odd years playing the game, i have seen this time and time again. some players just cant be coached.

[Macedonian_Red]

if those stats are 3 years old

 

fuck off

 

if those stats are from last year, bentley played nowhere near as much games as either downing or young....fuck off.

 

i will point out again, modric had very low assists last year......stats mean fuck all at times.......its what you see with your eyes. and its what makes a team more effective and function better.

 

end result = you can fuck off.

 

You should really get laid ... Or at least buy an inflatable ...

[raw red]

You should really get laid ... Or at least buy an inflatable ...

 

if thats the best you can come up with after your opinion regarding football has been ripped apart......then im happy

 

your a little knob who knows fuck all about football

 

kindly fuck off.

 

go on opta stats and have a wank.

[18-5]

Bentley is better than Downing.

[Major Tom]

if thats the best you can come up with after your opinion regarding football has been ripped apart......then im happy

 

your a little knob who knows fuck all about football

 

kindly fuck off.

 

go on opta stats and have a wank.

 

Give it a rest, raw red.

[Trumo]

if thats the best you can come up with after your opinion regarding football has been ripped apart......then im happy

 

your a little knob who knows fuck all about football

 

kindly fuck off.

 

go on opta stats and have a wank.

 

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/99748-oh-fuck.html

[Iantn]

Bentley is better than Downing.

 

Only in make believe land.

[Barrington Womble]

is it me or is there something really odd about someone who's been on a forum 5 minutes and then starts telling people to fuck off?

[Josef Svejk]

is it me or is there something really odd about someone who's been on a forum 5 minutes and then starts telling people to fuck off?

 

[JaminKibbler]

What on earth has happened to this thread?

[Iceman]

if thats the best you can come up with after your opinion regarding football has been ripped apart......then im happy

 

your a little knob who knows fuck all about football

 

kindly fuck off.

 

go on opta stats and have a wank.

 

Stop stinking up the thread. Your...posts...read...like...a...telegram. A... RAWK telegram...full of... bile and shit. STOP.