Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[Fugitive]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed anything else. They should be allowed whatever they want in life, they just have to earn it and pay for it themselves like everybody else.

Your kind aren't welcome around here. Go back to where you came from... Leicester.

[Dr Nowt]

The tramp in the street begging for a fiver to get some food. The reaction of some will be to walk by, others to give him a fiver, others to buy him a fivers worth of food.

 

Which one is the cunt?

The one who lectures him on how he should just get a job so he can buy his own food, sweepingly believing all in his situation brought it on themselves because they're lazy or unintelligent.

[Coro]

I heard a nice saying which people like Moosebreath would be better off for considering. It went something like - Poverty is not a character flaw. Poverty is not emblematic of intelligence. Poverty is lost potential, unheard contributions, silenced voices.

[Red Phoenix]

From Tax Research UK :

 

 

 

Is Number 10 in a parallel universe? And does that threaten democracy?

 

Posted on October 2 2014

I watched most of David Cameron’s speech yesterday, the same as I watched some of Ed Miliband’s the week before.

Ivan Horrocks has explained all that was wrong with Ed Miliband’s speech, here. But Cameron’s was worse. Miliband’s may have been grounded in a park bench on Hampstead Heath but at least that was a real park bench. Cameron’s seems to have been grounded on nothing at all.

Take for example, the promise that GP surgeries will be open seven days a week. This morning the Guardian has the headline:

    Up to 600 GP surgeries could close over course of next year as doctors retire

I happen to know of some places where this risk is real. The Royal College of General Practitioners is not exaggerating. The challenge right now is to make sure people have GP services five days a week so tough has the job become. Thinking it can be extended to a seven day a week service is a fantasy exercise in that case. The people to deliver just do not exist.

And this seems typical of the whole foundation for what the Conservatives are saying. Everything is duplicitous.

So, supposedly tax cuts are to benefit the low paid when they very clearly do not.

And the budget will be balanced and the deficit eliminated when right now it is increasing and that’s not all The Lib Dems fault.

And the Conservatives are apparently a trade union (the only advantage to that claim being it was very obviously transparent nonsense).

Now, I accept that all politicians sell a vision. And all in the process persuade themselves they have more power than is credible. This is not just a fault peculiar to the Conservative Party. But at a time when the credibility of politics is strained I find this misrepresentation of reality deeply worrying. The necessary implicit relationships of trust between politicians and the electorate are undermined by nonsense spoken that bears no relationship to reality. That relationship has always been based on cynicism, I know. But when cynicism is replaced by outright, and appropriate, disbelief something changes.

That’s where I fear we are. And if the democratic relationships that underpin our country are threatened as a result I am very worried indeed.

 

 

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2014/10/02/is-number-10-in-a-parallel-universe-and-does-that-threaten-democracy/

[Bjornebye]

The riots are kicking off

 

Lizzie B tearing up Bournemouth

 

[Bjornebye]

Stringvest's on the case

 

[Bjornebye]

The FF

 

[Bjornebye]

And i've got the capital by the fucking bollocks

 

[Dr Nowt]

That must be on fast forward if it's me.

[Jairzinho]

The riots are kicking off

 

Lizzie B tearing up Bournemouth

 

 

He's actually just releasing a cat.

[moosebreath]

The problem with this is that there are plenty of people who might physically be able to work, mentally cant. At least they cant work for any length of time. Not because they are lazy or scroungers but have some form of mental illness. That is something that needs addressing.

 

The other problem is it is not for government to dictate what people cant spend their money on as long as its legal, regardless whether its money earned through work or benefits.

 

In an ideal world we would be able to isolate those that are indeed scroungers and pay them less in benefits and those that are not and pay them more. Until there is a sure fire way of doing this you have to treat them as legitimate needy.

There is certainly a balance to be found between providing welfare for those who genuinely need it and not making welfare so easy to access and so comfortable to live on that perfectly able people choose to go on welfare as a lifestyle choice.

 

That's if we're looking at welfare state as being 'clean' and uncorrupted. The reality is that labour have been using it to buy votes for many years, so it is now a long, long way from being the safety net it was originally intended to be. We need to get tough on benefits to flush out all of the cheats and the feckless. That might mean a very small number of genuine claimants get caught in the crossfire, but it has gone so far in the wrong direction that these occasional unfortunate circumstances are preferable to continuing to bankrupt the country to pay for swathes of people to spend all day down the boozer drinking beer and smoking fags.

[Hades]

There is certainly a balance to be found between providing welfare for those who genuinely need it and not making welfare so easy to access and so comfortable to live on that perfectly able people choose to go on welfare as a lifestyle choice.

 

That's if we're looking at welfare state as being 'clean' and uncorrupted. The reality is that labour have been using it to buy votes for many years, so it is now a long, long way from being the safety net it was originally intended to be. We need to get tough on benefits to flush out all of the cheats and the feckless. That might mean a very small number of genuine claimants get caught in the crossfire, but it has gone so far in the wrong direction that these occasional unfortunate circumstances are preferable to continuing to bankrupt the country to pay for swathes of people to spend all day down the boozer drinking beer and smoking fags.

 

Hateful fucking cunt. Comfortable to live on? Lifestyle choice? Yeah it's a fucking dream for the physically and mentally disabled to barely  have enough to keep themselves warm and fed with no money to educate or better themselves, falling further and further behind privileged cunts with connections.

 

The stupidity and sheer callousness of deriding the victims of a system that is designed to run optimally with unemployment baffles me. Cunts like this are why I will never have kids. The world is full of hypocritical bullies. 

[Jairzinho]

 We need to get tough on benefits to flush out all of the cheats and the feckless. That might mean a very small number of genuine claimants get caught in the crossfire, but it has gone so far in the wrong direction that these occasional unfortunate circumstances are preferable to continuing to bankrupt the country to pay for swathes of people to spend all day down the boozer drinking beer and smoking fags.

 

Haha.

[Jairzinho]

Oh and I completely disagree with NV, if this Moose character actually does believe in what he's posted here, rather than just wumming, from a moral point of view I'd have absolutely no problem at all with someone panning his face in. 

[Red Phoenix]

The stupidity and sheer callousness of deriding the victims of a system that is designed to run optimally with unemployment baffles me.

 

Are you avoiding this point deliberately, moosebreath? This crony capitalist system "requires" a certain amount of unemployment. The Bank of England have basically even fucking admitted it, although you won't find it plastered around in the mainstream media.

 

So are you saying that even though this system, that is broken, that "requires", a certain amount of unemployment, should then have those unemployed treat like shit as well? If there's no choice, they should have enough money to be allowed to live to some extent by that system. If they choose to get drunk, smoke fags, whatever, at least they have some choice. Even if it's not much of one in many cases.

 

And you're saying, along with Smith, that even that should be taken away?

 

If so, you're saying that this system that's creating unemployed should then punish those unemployed. For most of us to be ok, we should simply accept that some are going to live in utterly depraved conditions, and that's fine. Why should this be accepted? You should really have a think about this if you're not doing this deliberately.

 

In fact, the more you look at this system the more truly fucking sinister it can become. It is fucking broken, and no, rations for unemployed is not the answer. The answer is instead to clean up the corruption in the system, and the other flaws it has, like continuing and unsustainable "growth" at the expense of the environment, our basic rights, and so on.

 

If you show no sign of accepting any of this I'm done, but at least I tried.

[A Red]

There is certainly a balance to be found between providing welfare for those who genuinely need it and not making welfare so easy to access and so comfortable to live on that perfectly able people choose to go on welfare as a lifestyle choice.

 

That's if we're looking at welfare state as being 'clean' and uncorrupted. The reality is that labour have been using it to buy votes for many years, so it is now a long, long way from being the safety net it was originally intended to be. We need to get tough on benefits to flush out all of the cheats and the feckless. That might mean a very small number of genuine claimants get caught in the crossfire, but it has gone so far in the wrong direction that these occasional unfortunate circumstances are preferable to continuing to bankrupt the country to pay for swathes of people to spend all day down the boozer drinking beer and smoking fags.

You have completely ignored the bit about why some (probably lots) of people dont work. They have mental issues. They might have been abused, kicked out of home as teenagers etc. You're happy for these people to be caught in the crossfire??

 

You need to think it through.

 

Christ on a bike, there are people here planning a revolution based on your view

[Section_31]

Even the whole 'so they don't spend it on booze' line shows how the media and politicians go about vilifying the poor. No, not that they might spend it on food, heat, school uniforms etc, they blow it all on booze because they're scum. Even if someone did want to buy some booze, who gives a flying fuck? Someone pays into the system for 20 years, loses their job, gets dole but isn't allowed to have a pint with his mate as some kind of penance? Get - the fuck - out.

 

Tired of the fucking double standards applied to the 'poor'. Cameron leaves his kid in the pub, MPs use your  money to build personal property portfolios or so their husbands can buy porn, Lords solicit bribes, mum of the year Nigella Lawson is a cokehead, 'journalist and broadcaster' Peaches Geldof was a smackhead, yet her media friends like to play that angle down and big up the 'tragic mum' angle instead. Fucking joke the whole setup.

 

If you're rich enough and have the right connections, you can steal what you want, snort who you want, probably fucking molest who you want, but if you're poor you're persona non grata if you buy a can of fucking Tetley's to help smooth the blow of being down on your luck.

 

The whole media narrative needs to be challenged and destroyed, shame on Labour for not circumventing its power by investing in social media and grass roots activism, with the declining power of the printed press (I see the S*n is lauding Cameron today for adopting 'its' manifesto) it's a massive missed open goal.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Oh and I completely disagree with NV, if this Moose character actually does believe in what he's posted here, rather than just wumming, from a moral point of view I'd have absolutely no problem at all with someone panning his face in.

Fuck off you cunt, I was trying to win an argument. Of course fucking of course if dick him in the bastard.

[moosebreath]

You have completely ignored the bit about why some (probably lots) of people dont work. They have mental issues. They might have been abused, kicked out of home as teenagers etc. You're happy for these people to be caught in the crossfire??

 

You need to think it through.

 

Christ on a bike, there are people here planning a revolution based on your view

I didn't ignore that at all, I acknowledged that there are people who "genuinely need" welfare.

[Jairzinho]

I didn't ignore that at all, I acknowledged that there are people who "genuinely need" welfare.

 

 

 

Would you agree that you're an absolutely terrible human?

 

I guess what I'm getting at is, are you one of those right wing cunts that has no problem with people dying in order for you to keep a few quid more, or do you genuinely feel that your ideology is good for society as a whole?

[A Red]

I didn't ignore that at all, I acknowledged that there are people who "genuinely need" welfare.

 

But you have ignored them, they are expendables to be caught in the crossfire. Probably 100's of thousands of them that you have no way of identifying or intention of helping.

 

You'd better be quick there are loads here ready to run into the Winter Palace and stand on tables, waving bits of paper at each other! 

[Strontium]

He's actually just releasing a cat.

Someone shouted "free pussy" and he got confused.

[Section_31]

Moosebreath takes to the keyboard.

 

 

 

Seriously lads, you're wasting your time - wum.

[moosebreath]

Would you agree that you're an absolutely terrible human?

 

I guess what I'm getting at is, are you one of those right wing cunts that has no problem with people dying in order for you to keep a few quid more, or do you genuinely feel that your ideology is good for society as a whole?

I think that almost everyone is capable of providing for themselves, and would be fundamentally happier doing so than living on hand outs. I think a healthier, more productive society is better for everyone. Anything we can do to promote personal responsibility is a good thing. Bringing up generations to rely on hand outs does nobody any good at all.

[A Red]

I think that almost everyone is capable of providing for themselves, and would be fundamentally happier doing so than living on hand outs. I think a healthier, more productive society is better for everyone. Anything we can do to promote personal responsibility is a good thing. Bringing up generations to rely on hand outs does nobody any good at all.

And the 100's of thousands that cant provide for themselves because they're mentally ill, what about them?

 

I'm getting sick of asking to be honest