The McCanns...

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I don't think anybody wants the girl to be dead but after 12 years its highly likely she is,and the parents should be the prime suspects given that they were most likely the last people to see their daughter. If you're not interested or don't care then why are you posting in the thread?

There’s an entire industry involved in this, it’s morbid as fuck. 

 

Did you actually mean what you wrote then?  The parents should be suspects, of course, but if there’s no evidence then that stops.  Should Ben Needhams mum still be a suspect? 

 

For some reason they aren’t likeable and that means people continue to accuse them of killing their kid. How fucking mad is that?  

 

TK seems to think that 2 European governments, the police, the press and seemingly the children of police are in a gigantic conspiracy to protect the parents of a couple of unknown doctors who tried to cover up a death. All arranged in days, and continued for years. With zero leaks, zero defections and people who’ve got pissed, got high, got guilty, got god, got cold feet, left any records, lost any records, had any records hacked. 

[DPW]

Rico, you’re weird a f. 

[Rico1304]

11 minutes ago, DPW said:

Rico, you’re weird a f. 

Yes, it’s the conspiracy theorists who are right. 

[Jennings]

8 hours ago, redheart said:

 

Good lord is that the best that you can do.

 

• DNA samples in the apartment, in the car and on items connected with Kate (e.g. cuddle cat);

Even if DNA samples were in the car and other items it can be transferred indirectly. Thus cuddle your child and then pick up a teddy bear of take something out of the book of a car and it can get transferred.

 

• Cadaver odour

Even those who accept the reliability of this make it clear they cannot detect who died or when. Indeed they accept that cadaver smells can last for decades. There are few houses/apartments etc which have not seen a death in them. These smells can also be transferred along with furniture from other buildings where someone has died.

• Changes of the McCanns story (e.g. from forced entry through the window shutters to walking through unlocked doors);

FFS. They were being asked in a moment of blind terror and shock. You leap to a range of conclusions. Ask any parent who has lost sight of their child for even a minute in the supermarket. You suddenly panic and think everyone in their is a potential abductor.

• Behaviour of the McCanns (Kate refusing to answer questions under police caution, no physical search for Madeleine by the McCanns, refusing to take part in a police reconstruction, Kate washing cuddle cat before the dogs arrived

All this amounts to nothing. BY the time they were being interviewed they could have felt let down by shitty police, and now being railroaded by vested interests. They had declared them suspects so why answer? A physical search? Where? Their child had vanished and it leads to blind panic.

 

• Inconsistent statements of the McCanns' friends;

Jeez. Everyone knows that eye witness testimony is unreliable. And the inconsistent statements are about minor things that you do not pay that much attention to at the time (such as how frequently the apartments were checked on, what times, by whom) especially when out dining with a group and drinking. So to latch on these types of minor inconsistences is simply nonsense.

 

• Staged crime scene; 

What on earth does this even mean? It is not evidence it is a conclusion and one without any justification offered.

 

• Lack of evidence Madeleine was alive from Sunday 29th April onwards (no photos, no corroborated sightings)

Oh do kindly fuck off.  Not everyone takes lots of pictures at all times etc. No evidence she was alive etc. Simply nonsense.

 

There is no significant evidence that the McCanns did it.

 

The most likely answer is an opportunistic paedophile struck lucky when he realised how shitty the parents were, he took here and did what they do and disposed of the body.

 

I don't know what happened but there is much less evidence for an abduction.

 

 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

5 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

There’s an entire industry involved in this, it’s morbid as fuck. 

 

Did you actually mean what you wrote then?  The parents should be suspects, of course, but if there’s no evidence then that stops.  Should Ben Needhams mum still be a suspect? 

 

For some reason they aren’t likeable and that means people continue to accuse them of killing their kid. How fucking mad is that?  

 

TK seems to think that 2 European governments, the police, the press and seemingly the children of police are in a gigantic conspiracy to protect the parents of a couple of unknown doctors who tried to cover up a death. All arranged in days, and continued for years. With zero leaks, zero defections and people who’ve got pissed, got high, got guilty, got god, got cold feet, left any records, lost any records, had any records hacked. 

I am simply reacting to this post and information and theories in it. I've never watched a programme on it or listened to any theories involved as I find it an absolutely horrible situation for anybody to be in. Looking at it from an outside perspective,I am extremely surprised that no evidence has arose around a child abduction/murder plot and would say that parental involvement looks the most likely theory. The absence of evidence for either of the two main theories,the parents or a kidnapper,is highly unusual though and this is what is feeding the 'industry' you speak of. I don't think TKs theory is as batshit as you think it is until there is a more plausible alternative. Until that happens the parents will be treated as highly suspicious by a lot of people. I also think the 'the parents are not liked' angle is because these parents are highly educated people yet have shown less care for their kids than many of those tabloid headlines regarding lower income and poorer educated families,which is a slightly different issue but one which shapes outsiders perceptions.

[Bjornebye]

Was there ever any solid evidence that the McCanns knew the convicted paedo with the big mansion just up the coast from the resort? 

 

None of us know what happened either way and there are enough claims on both sides to support either. Not worth falling out over it though when as I said, none of us actually know what happened. 

 

The more you press the point the more you look like you're involved. TK/Rico.... where were ya'll that night? 

[Davelfc]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/how-clement-freud-invited-kate-and-gerry-mccann-for-lunch-after/

Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007.

“I’m embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax,” Mrs McCann wrote in her book, Madeleine.

 

Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them.

Freud, 83, broke the ice by offering them strawberry vodka....

 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

3 minutes ago, 1001000 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/how-clement-freud-invited-kate-and-gerry-mccann-for-lunch-after/

Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007.

“I’m embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax,” Mrs McCann wrote in her book, Madeleine.

 

Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them.

Freud, 83, broke the ice by offering them strawberry vodka....

 

 

 

Wasn't Freud a prime nonce?

[Davelfc]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/sir-clement-freud-exposed-as-a-paedophile-as-police-urged-to-pro/

 

Sir Clement Freud, the former broadcaster and politician, was exposed on Tuesday night as a paedophile who sexually abused girls as young as 10 for decades.

Freud, who died in 2009, spent years abusing a girl who he brought up as a daughter, and violently raped a teenager while he was an MP.

His widow, Lady Freud, has apologised to his victims, saying she is “shocked, deeply saddened and profoundly sorry” for what her husband of 58 years did to them.

 

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been alerted to the fact that Freud had a villa in Praia da Luz, Portugal, the resort where the three-year-old went missing in 2007.

He befriended the McCanns in the weeks after their daughter went missing, entertaining them at his house on two occasions and keeping in contact by phone and email.

The McCanns are said to be “horrified” by the discovery that Freud was a paedophile.

His family, who include the PR executive Matthew Freud, have said that Freud was not in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and that they have not been contacted by police.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

11 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Was there ever any solid evidence that the McCanns knew the convicted paedo with the big mansion just up the coast from the resort? 

 

None of us know what happened either way and there are enough claims on both sides to support either. Not worth falling out over it though when as I said, none of us actually know what happened. 

 

The more you press the point the more you look like you're involved. TK/Rico.... where were ya'll that night? 

Easy for you to say, I got called "piglet".

 

*sniff

 

You don't just get over trauma like that!

[Captain Turdseye]

If they were from a council estate, nobody would have a problem with them being pally with raging nonces. People are just jealous of them being middle class. 

[No2]

19 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

No one else thinks they parents did it other than a crank copper and internet weirdos.  Imagine being obsessed with a dead child and clutching at straws hoping the parents killed her.  

That's just not true and you have no way of proving it one way or the other. Excluding those obsessed with the case I'd guess a high percentage of those with just a passing interest think they were involved. Before watching the Netflix series I would have thought that. I still wouldn't rule it out although I would class it as extremely unlikely.

[Pureblood]

A DNA expert based in the USA has offered to retest the DNA free of charge.  He has made a request to Operation Grange to provide him with DNA samples, but they are ignoring him. .

 

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/new-dna-analysis-could-help-solve-madeleine-mccann-mystery-expert-says-20190329-p518zx.html 

 

Nine.com.au senior journalist Mark Saunokonoko, who is behind the top-rating podcast, said the inconclusive DNA test result meant investigators hit a "dead end" in that particular line of inquiry.

 

Saunokonoko said after speaking to Dr Perlin he contacted Scotland Yard to tell them the Cybergenetics lab was willing to test the data, but so far had not heard back.

“[Dr Perlin] can resolve those samples, hopefully he gets that data to find that out, that should be exciting for a cold case that 11 years on and still struggling,” he said.

[Pureblood]

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-dna-offer-perlin-appears-ignore-uk-police-maddie-podcast/ffca64a3-86b7-465a-9340-7bec54be9437

 

A remarkable pro bono offer to solve 18 DNA samples which could explain what happened to Madeleine McCann – first made in the nine.com.au podcast Maddie – has so far been met with deafening silence from UK police in charge of the years-long, $20m hunt for the missing girl.

 

The London detective who heads up Operation Grange - DCI Nicola Wall – has not yet acknowledged correspondence from one of the world's top DNA scientists, weeks after she was informed how ground-breaking testing methods in the US could breathe new life into the cold case.

 

Nine.com.au has provided a series of forensic reports from the UK lab that tested the McCann samples in 2007, the Forensic Science Service (FSS), to top American scientist Dr Perlin for review.

 

Asked what he had seen in that FSS documentation, Dr Perlin said: "What this report says is there is a possibility that Madeleine McCann's DNA is present in this mixture."

 

Following an investigation by nine.com.au, Dr Perlin on April 5 sent a formal request to London Metropolitan Police’s DCI Wall to assist Operation Grange, the investigation she has led since 2014. DCI Wall, an experienced homicide investigator, has so far not responded to Dr Perlin.

 

Despite several approaches from nine.com.au, DCI Wall has declined to explain why Dr Perlin appears to have been stonewalled by Scotland Yard.

 

Over the weekend, following revelations first aired in nine.com.au's podcast investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, an army of UK tabloids lined up to report on Dr Perlin's offer.

 

In recent episodes of Maddie, multiple requests to Scotland Yard, the UK Home Office and the office of Prime Minister Theresa May to comment on Dr Perlin and the impact his work could have on the Madeleine mystery have all been refused.

 

Dr Perlin's Pittsburgh laboratory Cybergenetics has a proven history of helping police forces in Great Britain, with his team and technology contracted to assist UK law enforcement on various cases over the past 20 years.

 

Dr Perlin has informed DCI Wall he will analyse the 18 McCann samples of interest for free, and that he could deliver the results back to Operation Grange in just one week.

The computational testing methods pioneered by Dr Perlin, known as TrueAllele, is far superior to the methods used in 2007 to analyse evidence from the McCann holiday apartment and a rental car.

 

Dr Perlin told the podcast the 2007 testing methods at the FSS had "failed" in the McCann case, effectively closing off potentially important lines of inquiry.

 

"Computers have no dog in the fight," Dr Perlin said, explaining how TrueAllele works. Cybergenetics only requires the archived DNA data from UK police, not the actual DNA samples.

 

"If your goal is truth, and your goal is the best science, then there is really no excuse for not opening up the data for better analysis by better methods.

 

"True Allele has been used successfully in England and Australia and Northern Ireland in cases like [the Madeleine McCann mystery] where there are complex mixtures and a small amount of DNA."

 

Dr Perlin said he would find it strange to not deploy hugely improved DNA technology to work on cold cases where there were "inconclusive" DNA samples waiting to be solved.

 

"It would be as if you found some old tissue from a person's body from one hundred years ago and now we have better microscopes so we can analyse it with. And some governmental agency says, 'No, let's only use the methods from 100 years ago that we know don't work. They failed then, they can fail now. And better methods with stronger microscopes or electron microscopes that could answer the question that we have, let's not use them’."

 

Ten months after DCI Wall took over Operation Grange, the police investigation was drastically scaled back, with the number of officers on the team cut from 29 to four.

The Home Office is currently considering a request from Operation Grange for further funding, believed to be £300,000, through to March 2020.

 

Portuguese police had focused on the McCann hire car and certain areas inside the family's Algarve holiday apartment after intensive search work by two specialist British cadaver dogs, three months after Madeleine went missing.

 

The two dogs had alerted inside the apartment, car and on several personal family possessions. Any alerts by cadaver dogs need to be corroborated by additional evidence, such as DNA.

 

One month after the dogs had searched those areas, Madeleine's parents were declared arguidos, formal suspects.

 

Mr and Mrs McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have strenuously denied they were involved in the disappearance of their daughter, and nine.com.au does not suggest any involvement on their part.

 

Arguidos status was lifted from Mr and Mrs McCann when the Portuguese police investigation was shelved in August 2008.

 

Aged three when she vanished in May 2007, Madeleine would turn 16 in 2019.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

There's an interesting Wired article about probabilistic genotyping, Perlin and TrueAllele, for background.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/trueallele-software-transforming-how-courts-treat-dna-evidence/amp

 

Too long to copy and paste, sorry.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

 

[Carvalho Diablo]

She's in the drink.

[Scott_M]

Repent! Repent! Repent!

[Dr Nowt]

Turns out the man who challenged Kate McCann is also a Labour activist.

[Bjornebye]

This Madeleine Mann documentary on Netflix is damning to them. One of the crime unit fellas who specialises in child abuse/kidnappings even says he didn't like Gerry McCann as soon as he met him. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

This Madeleine Mann documentary on Netflix is damning to them. One of the crime unit fellas who specialises in child abuse/kidnappings even says he didn't like Gerry McCann as soon as he met him. 

But then hasn't he gone on to be one of the McCann's biggest supporters?

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

But then hasn't he gone on to be one of the McCann's biggest supporters?

I don't know I've not got that far. The bald fella? 

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I don't know I've not got that far. The bald fella? 

Can't remember but I think so. Scottish too if I recall. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Can't remember but I think so. Scottish too if I recall. 

Yeah thats him. 

[Carvalho Diablo]

McCann / McCan't. The wee baldy stoat the baw needs tae make his fuckin mind up ah siz.