Israel - A Rant

[Rico1304]

Fixed.

Didn’t the UN confirm it?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Didn’t the UN confirm it?

Not that they "always" do it. Nope.

[Rico1304]

Not that they "always" do it. Nope.

Ha.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Seeing on Twitter that Hamas have been using human shields and encouraging woman and kids to the front in order to get them hurt and then blame Israel for attacking. True or not?

Who is firing the bullets? Hamas or Israel?

 

The only time it is legitimate for agents of the state - any state - to use lethal force is when it's against someone presenting an immediate mortal threat. Saying "that small child had a bloke standing behind her who is a member of an organisation which has carried out acts of violence" doesn't cut it.

 

This was an army massacre of civilians.

No equivocation.

[Boss]

Seeing on Twitter that Hamas have been using human shields and encouraging woman and kids to the front in order to get them hurt and then blame Israel for attacking. True or not?

 

Some of the shit you come out with is dumbfounding. Think about this for a second. Palestinians want their own wives and kids to be shot dead so they can blame Israel? 

[General Dryness]

I'll certainly be treating BenR's football opinions with a certain amount of scepticism from now on.

[Strontium]

Some of the shit you come out with is dumbfounding. Think about this for a second. Palestinians want their own wives and kids to be shot dead so they can blame Israel?

How can you even comment on the situation without being aware that Hamas routinely uses human shields? That's the dumbfounding thing here.

[Boss]

How can you even comment on the situation without being aware that Hamas routinely uses human shields? That's the dumbfounding thing here.

 

No, your partisan pro-Israeli propaganda sources tell you Hamas use women and children as human shields. Please show photographic evidence of these human shields being used the other day. I'll wait on that one. And please provide validity to the ludicrous claim rico made that they want their own women and children to be shot so they can blame Israel. 

 

https://wildflowersnews.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/israel-palestine-fake-photos-of-human-shields/

[Strontium]

Partisan pro-Israeli propaganda sources like the UN and Channel 4 Factcheck. Tremendous.

[Anubis]

Everything you need to know about the IDF shithouse bullies in one video. And they take their cue from the Israeli government.

 

 

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[Gnasher]

Why are people concerned about the slaying of a few dozen Palestinians when we've got worse atrocities happening here, a Jewish person got called a nasty name on

Twitter by a member of the Labour party the other day.

[Rico1304]

Some of the shit you come out with is dumbfounding. Think about this for a second. Palestinians want their own wives and kids to be shot dead so they can blame Israel?

Oh fuck off you dick. I clearly said I’d read it on Twitter, I didn’t say it was true, I asked if it was. They have form for doing it before, the UN found they hid weapons under schools and hospitals.

[Trevorjc]

isn't that a few years old? and Egyptian? So a load of shit and not to do with the situation or Palestinians? in other words utter fucking BOLLOCKS

 

No Idea never seen it before.

 

The whole situation is a mess, but what is undeniable is that if the Israelis put down there guns they will be massacred, if the Arabs put down there guns there would be peace. 

[Boss]

Partisan pro-Israeli propaganda sources like the UN and Channel 4 Factcheck. Tremendous.

 

What like this.... UN: Palestinian Children tortured, used as human shields by Israel

 

https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-tortured-palestinian-children-1.5283333

http://washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children/palestinian-children-tortured-used-as-shields-by-israel-u-n-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/officials-condemn-arbitrary-arrest-palestinian-children-180320141232332.html/

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2017/11/7/UN-concerned-over-mistreatment-of-Palestinian-children-in-Israeli-jail

https://ushypocrisy.com/2014/09/02/debunking-israels-talking-point-that-hamas-uses-palestinian-children-as-human-shields/

 

[Jose Jones]

No Idea never seen it before.

 

The whole situation is a mess, but what is undeniable is that if the Israelis put down there guns they will be massacred, if the Arabs put down there guns there would be peace.

Er, doubtful, because the Israelis might just murder unarmed protestors like they have dozens of times before.

[Boss]

Also the article Stronts was referring to when mentioning Channel 4 factcheck is presumably this one.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-hamas-civilians-human-shields

 

It's first source for this claim is....wait for it.... Benjamin Netanyahu. Then it uses a video that's not available anymore to prove Hamas use women and children as human shields but fortunately there is a transcript underneath.

 

The transcript says that they ask people to confront the warplanes with their bare chest in order to protect their own homes, which has nothing to do with them urging women and children to act as human shields to protect Hamas fighters. Then it peddles another falsehood by saying Palestinians are ignoring phone calls from Israeli forces warning them that they are going to bomb their homes.

 

How many of them have a landline? It's a third world war zone. Does that sound logical to you, to stay in your home after you've been warned it's going to be destroyed? Or does it sound more plausible that you were not warned?

 

Then it uses one single New York Times article where a couple of people congregated on the roof of their homes begging the Israeli forces not to blow it up and they all died. The UN - ironically the organisation you're using to back up your claims - said the attack was "deplorable".

 

Then it goes on to prove that there are instances where Palestinians haven't been warned or been given insufficient time to evacuate their homes. Barre in mind this is Stronts's stonewall proof of Hamas using children as human shields to protect Hamas soldiers.

 

They conclude that Hamas use human shields by quoting the words "with their bare chests" from the first transcript. The one that makes no mention of human shields. Then they admit non of this exonerates Israel from the war crimes they've committed against Palestine and claim there is a "indiscriminate" and "disproportionate" use of force. Proof, hey?

[Jairzinho]

No Idea never seen it before.

 

The whole situation is a mess, but what is undeniable is that if the Israelis put down there guns they will be massacred, if the Arabs put down there guns there would be peace.

What is undeniable is that one of them lives in a cage.

[stringvest]

No Idea never seen it before.

 

The whole situation is a mess, but what is undeniable is that if the Israelis put down their guns and removed themselves from Palestine land, removed illegal settlements, pay reparations to the Palestinian people illegally separated from their possessions and land, removed the wall, retreated to the 1967 borders and removed the illegal restrictions on freedom of movement, access to water, basic infrastructure, access to ports, and the creation of airports on Palestine land, there would be peace - and they would even stand a chance of revising the general view of them held by most right-thinking people as subhuman scum.  

[Strontium]

The whole situation is a mess, but what is undeniable is that if the Israelis put down there guns they will be massacred, if the Arabs put down there guns there would be peace.

It won't happen until the Palestinian people stop asserting that the entirety of Israel belongs to them. The genocide of Israel is an article of faith for them.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

One thing that always seems to get lost in these kind of partisan debates is that Israel was a nation built on terrorism.

 

Prior to the formation of Israel, there were many terrorist groups like Irgun, Haganah and the Stern Gang fighting with the British forces and Palestinians. And, you'll never guess what? They used "human shields" too, in the sense that they stored their weapons in buildings and areas used by the general population such as kibbutz, synagogues etc (https://www.haaretz.com/1.5113711).

 

I think with Israel, we see the reality of a lot of people's current fears re: the current Middle East refugee crisis.

 

What a lot of people currently fear actually happened in Israel. Too many murderous terrorists got into the country amongst those who were genuinely in need of refuge and this went unchecked and resulted in a break down in a typically accepted and civilised way of life and instead spawned a situation were, along religious motivations, those terrorists who snook in have gone on to commit numerous violent acts of horiffic murder and shown scant regard to the behavioural norms of their host territory.

 

Maybe that Skittles analogy that the right use was correct all along and Israel is a prime example of it?

[stringvest]

It won't happen until the Palestinian people stop asserting that the entirety of Israel belongs to them. The genocide of Israel is an article of faith for them.

 

 

as is the ethnic cleansing of Palestine for plenty of Israelis.  There are pragmatic people on both sides, but Israel and the US will not allow those on the Israeli side to be heard, and those on the Palestinian side are continuously tested by the inhuman treatment of their people by the Israelis.  Let's be completely honest Stronts, those in power in Israel have their own way on this.  They engineer the situation, they inflame when they think there's any danger of outside pressure for peace reaching critical mass, and while the manage the situation at the strategic level they encroach further and further onto land that isn't theirs.  You know this, so I'm not prepared to listen to your mealy mouthed apologies for this cunt of a state. Because it betrays you as a cunt.

[Anny Road]

Why should Israel give a fuck about the Palestinians?

Oooh Israel you are bad. So fucking what we're safe. They could not give two fucks about anyone else but themselves. Maybe history made them that way.

Villains of the piece are its backers. Without the backing of many particularly the US they would have to pack it in.

However if they pack it in they will be obliterated and then the nukes start flying.

 

The real politics is that a few hundred Palestinians do not matter in the grand scheme of things.

Keep Israel on side and safe and try to ignore them when they lash out as they will continue to do.

Israel will continue its war at home and its war by proxy through its leverage with finance with allies to keep the Middle East unstable.

[Strontium]

as is the ethnic cleansing of Palestine for plenty of Israelis. There are pragmatic people on both sides, but Israel and the US will not allow those on the Israeli side to be heard, and those on the Palestinian side are continuously tested by the inhuman treatment of their people by the Israelis. Let's be completely honest Stronts, those in power in Israel have their own way on this. They engineer the situation, they inflame when they think there's any danger of outside pressure for peace reaching critical mass, and while the manage the situation at the strategic level they encroach further and further onto land that isn't theirs. You know this, so I'm not prepared to listen to your mealy mouthed apologies for this cunt of a state. Because it betrays you as a cunt.

Bit odd, as I've never said the settlements were anything other than illegal. Although I obviously understand why anyone would be reluctant to give land to people who want to exterminate them. That's the crux of the problem, really - one side wants the other side dead. That's what gives the other side an excuse to indulge in oppression.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The Dog once again proving that he's not prepared to have an honest discussion on the matter. Yes. Every Palestinian wants every Israeli dead. Sigh.....

 

Worramong!

[stringvest]

Bit odd, as I've never said the settlements were anything other than illegal. Although I obviously understand why anyone would be reluctant to give land to people who want to exterminate them. That's the crux of the problem, really - one side wants the other side dead. That's what gives the other side an excuse to indulge in oppression.

 

 

The other side once Palestine obliterated from the map too, they've just got better PR, as well you know.  You use exactly the same tactics on here.  Hamas are the best ally Israel has.  You know this too.  Israel operates them like a puppet.