Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) Manchester United 0 - Mar 5 2023)

[Bad Red Bull]

12 hours ago, Marcas said:

And last but not least, ‘most punchable face’ goes to…Bruno, who else? (Anthony came a close 2nd and will overtake him though. guaranteed!)

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the next-in-line punchable face produced by the never ending conveyor belt of punchable faces of the scrum - Garnacho

[Pete]

32 minutes ago, Bad Red Bull said:

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the next-in-line punchable face produced by the never ending conveyor belt of punchable faces of the scrum - Garnacho

My god. It's like someone said make a typical male Manc and this is what was produced.  Caterpillar eyebrows, stupid bowl cut, gormless open mouthed look on face. 

[Truered]

Seemed weird watching that Inside Anfield video that Weghorst touching the this is Anfield sign, United player doing that? I would be pissed off if any Liverpool player did something similar at Old Toilet.  

[sir roger]

27 minutes ago, Truered said:

Seemed weird watching that Inside Anfield video that Weghorst touching the this is Anfield sign, United player doing that? I would be pissed off if any Liverpool player did something similar at Old Toilet.  

 

To be fair he was just avoiding banging his head on it

[Razoray]

It's behind a paywall and I wont paste it all but there is a long piece in the Athletic (for a change) about the Liverpool v Manchester United "Derby".

It touches on the historical disaster chanting and highlights the Hillsborough singing by the Mancs on Sunday. That's the Echo, MEN and the Athletic that have reported on it this week, which can only help. Pity the national papers haven't picked it up. 

 

 

Among the many fans from both sides interviewed in Red On Red, nobody could remember hearing the Munich song when Liverpool and United met in the 1976-77 FA Cup final. But this was in the era of football hooliganism and there were violent scenes outside Wembley that day. Respect had given way to rancour.

By the time the clubs faced one another in an FA Cup semi-final two years later — first at Maine Road, and then a replay at Goodison Park four days later — it was rife; a five-line ditty that starts with “Who’s that dying on the runway?” and gets steadily worse from there.

It wasn’t just Liverpool; United fans recall hearing it at Everton, Leeds, Manchester City, and just about everywhere else. “But the Scousers were the worst,” said United fan Iain Crane in Red On Red. “It gave the rivalry a real edge. A nasty one.”

To repeat, this was the era of hooliganism and, against the backdrop of spite, the Liverpool-United rivalry had turned toxic.

The 1982-83 League Cup final at Wembley is remembered as a bloodbath, an FA Cup semi-final two years later even worse. Among the objects seized by police that day at Goodison were knives, scaffolding poles and golf balls with nails protruding from the surface.

In February 1986, United players getting off the bus at Anfield were sprayed with what appeared to be tear gas. Some Liverpool fans were caught in the crossfire. United manager Ron Atkinson famously said it was “like Vietnam out there”. On their next visit to Merseyside in December that year, the United team, by now under the management of Alex Ferguson, were accompanied on the bus in and out of the city by former Liverpool manager Bob Paisley as a means of deterring another attack.

The hooligan threat receded from the nadir of the mid-1980s but the vile chanting persisted until 1989, when the Hillsborough tragedy forced a belated reappraisal among Liverpool’s fans. For the most part, the Munich references fell quiet — and so their United counterparts would stoke the fires by chanting, pointedly, “Where’s your famous Munich song?”

Emboldened, as if imagining using their own club’s tragedy to score points at the expense of another, United’s fans pushed it further. Some of their chants were designed to appear oblique. Others were as gruesome as it gets.

The one you hear most these days is “Always the victims, it’s never your fault.” It was first aired around the time of the Suarez-Evra affair as Liverpool protested their Uruguayan striker’s innocence, even after the FA found him guilty of racially abusing the United full-back in 2011.

But when “Always the victims…” comes from the same dismal songbook as “The Sun was right, you’re murderers”, “You killed your own fans” and “If it wasn’t for the Scousers we could stand” — a reference to the move to all-seater stadiums post-Hillsborough — any right to the benefit of the doubt is not just lost but left in the gutter along with so much else.

Sunday threatened more of the same. Sure enough, after Liverpool went 2-0 up early in the second half, there were audible chants of “The Sun was right, you’re murderers” from the away end.

The best thing that can be said was that on this occasion the chant was not taken up by the majority of United supporters present, it did not appear to be repeated and there didn’t seem to be any retaliation from the home areas of Anfield. The smallest of small mercies, admittedly, but perhaps this match saw a slight, faltering step forward in that regard.

 

https://theathletic.com/4280105/2023/03/07/liverpool-manchester-united-derby-days/?source=twitteruk

[DaveT]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

My god. It's like someone said make a typical male Manc and this is what was produced.  Caterpillar eyebrows, stupid bowl cut, gormless open mouthed look on face. 

ChatGPT has a lot to answer for!

[DaveT]

13 minutes ago, Razoray said:

It's behind a paywall and I wont paste it all but there is a long piece in the Athletic (for a change) about the Liverpool v Manchester United "Derby".

It touches on the historical disaster chanting and highlights the Hillsborough singing by the Mancs on Sunday. That's the Echo, MEN and the Athletic that have reported on it this week, which can only help. Pity the national papers haven't picked it up. 

 

 

Among the many fans from both sides interviewed in Red On Red, nobody could remember hearing the Munich song when Liverpool and United met in the 1976-77 FA Cup final. But this was in the era of football hooliganism and there were violent scenes outside Wembley that day. Respect had given way to rancour.

By the time the clubs faced one another in an FA Cup semi-final two years later — first at Maine Road, and then a replay at Goodison Park four days later — it was rife; a five-line ditty that starts with “Who’s that dying on the runway?” and gets steadily worse from there.

It wasn’t just Liverpool; United fans recall hearing it at Everton, Leeds, Manchester City, and just about everywhere else. “But the Scousers were the worst,” said United fan Iain Crane in Red On Red. “It gave the rivalry a real edge. A nasty one.”

To repeat, this was the era of hooliganism and, against the backdrop of spite, the Liverpool-United rivalry had turned toxic.

The 1982-83 League Cup final at Wembley is remembered as a bloodbath, an FA Cup semi-final two years later even worse. Among the objects seized by police that day at Goodison were knives, scaffolding poles and golf balls with nails protruding from the surface.

In February 1986, United players getting off the bus at Anfield were sprayed with what appeared to be tear gas. Some Liverpool fans were caught in the crossfire. United manager Ron Atkinson famously said it was “like Vietnam out there”. On their next visit to Merseyside in December that year, the United team, by now under the management of Alex Ferguson, were accompanied on the bus in and out of the city by former Liverpool manager Bob Paisley as a means of deterring another attack.

The hooligan threat receded from the nadir of the mid-1980s but the vile chanting persisted until 1989, when the Hillsborough tragedy forced a belated reappraisal among Liverpool’s fans. For the most part, the Munich references fell quiet — and so their United counterparts would stoke the fires by chanting, pointedly, “Where’s your famous Munich song?”

Emboldened, as if imagining using their own club’s tragedy to score points at the expense of another, United’s fans pushed it further. Some of their chants were designed to appear oblique. Others were as gruesome as it gets.

The one you hear most these days is “Always the victims, it’s never your fault.” It was first aired around the time of the Suarez-Evra affair as Liverpool protested their Uruguayan striker’s innocence, even after the FA found him guilty of racially abusing the United full-back in 2011.

But when “Always the victims…” comes from the same dismal songbook as “The Sun was right, you’re murderers”, “You killed your own fans” and “If it wasn’t for the Scousers we could stand” — a reference to the move to all-seater stadiums post-Hillsborough — any right to the benefit of the doubt is not just lost but left in the gutter along with so much else.

Sunday threatened more of the same. Sure enough, after Liverpool went 2-0 up early in the second half, there were audible chants of “The Sun was right, you’re murderers” from the away end.

The best thing that can be said was that on this occasion the chant was not taken up by the majority of United supporters present, it did not appear to be repeated and there didn’t seem to be any retaliation from the home areas of Anfield. The smallest of small mercies, admittedly, but perhaps this match saw a slight, faltering step forward in that regard.

 

https://theathletic.com/4280105/2023/03/07/liverpool-manchester-united-derby-days/?source=twitteruk

I remember that 82-83 final….. keeping my head down in a Wembley bookies whilst there was mayhem on the street outside

[dave u]

"The best thing that can be said was that on this occasion the chant was not taken up by the majority of United supporters present, it did not appear to be repeated and there didn’t seem to be any retaliation from the home areas of Anfield. "

 

The majority fucked off with plenty of time to spare.

 

And there was no retaliation because there never is.

[Kevin D]

[dave u]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

My god. It's like someone said make a typical male Manc and this is what was produced.  Caterpillar eyebrows, stupid bowl cut, gormless open mouthed look on face. 

 

Also has bleached blonde hair now. So add him to the list.

[dave u]

16 hours ago, Lestat said:

Great report as always, well worth the subscription (plug plug).

 

Agree with the description of Gakpo's style. "The Authority" has got a nice ring to it...

 

Love that. We should get that nickname going and take dual credit for it.

[coachpotato]

Pretty much agree with all of that report, except the bit about s maybe not having that type of performance in us. I disagree with that, the performance has always been there, the mystery has been why it hasn’t happened until now. Also, I’m trying not to get too carried away, much as I’d like this to be portent of things to come for the rest of the season, I feel consistency is the thing we need most of all, if it could be at this level then, wow, we’re in for some ride between now and the season’s end.

Lovely to give a big fuck off to all the naysayers out there, our own naysayers are entitled to their opinions, rightly or wrongly, but outsiders, no, just fuck off.

The Reds are coming up the hill boys. Allez,Allez!!

 

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

13 hours ago, DalyanPete said:

War and peace volume 2 but an excellent read.

Football is all about confidence and this should give the bounce to achieve the minimum requirement, Madrid? Who knows, but I wouldn't put it past us.

As said earlier, if that doesn't make Jude want to be part of this story then he was never the one for us.

 

Are you saying that Dave's report needed a musical interlude?

 

 

[dave u]

1 minute ago, coachpotato said:

Pretty much agree with all of that report, except the bit about s maybe not having that type of performance in us.

 

 

I meant for a full game (or close to it). We showed against Madrid we can play as well as we ever had but we hadn't shown we could sustain it.

[aws]

We looked as if we were finally able to take off the brick-filled rucksacks we’ve been wearing all season. 

[Reckoner]

Boss report on the way. It really feels like you put your heart and soul into it. An enjoyable fucking read!

[Lovely Cushioned Header...]

Was it just me, or did I not see Salah going clean through near the end and one of the dirty manc defenders literally try to push him over with both hands? How was that not a red card? 

[dave u]

24 minutes ago, Lovely Cushioned Header... said:

Was it just me, or did I not see Salah going clean through near the end and one of the dirty manc defenders literally try to push him over with both hands? How was that not a red card? 

 

Yeah he got pulled back and it knocked him ourt of his stride. He didn't go down so it gave the ref and lino an excuse not to give it. Definite foul.

[dave u]

2 hours ago, Reckoner said:

Boss report on the way. It really feels like you put your heart and soul into it. An enjoyable fucking read!

 

Yeah I was genuinely shattered when I finished it.

[Razoray]

32 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Yeah he got pulled back and it knocked him ourt of his stride. He didn't go down so it gave the ref and lino an excuse not to give it. Definite foul.

Shaw. Unbelievable that he wasn't booked in the entire game. He could have been booked 5 or 6 times, easily. 

[Razoray]

The (Neville) narrative after the game was that this was a freak and is unlike this "new" Manchester United. I saw tonight that they have conceded big scores across the entire season. Aside from September and December when they had only 2 league games:

August - conceded 4 v Brentford

October - conceded 6 v City

November - conceded 3 v Villa

January - conceded 3 v Arsenal

February - conceded 2 v Leeds

March - conceded 7 v Liverpool. 

 

For context, in a league season where the narrative has been that we are a soft touch and our defence is shocking, we have conceded 3 goals, five times this season and haven’t conceded 4 or more, once. 

 

The games v Brighton, Brentford and Wolves were a shambles defensively but the third was late in the game when we were chasing it. We never capitulated like they have against Brentford, City and on Sunday. 

 

They have acted disgracefully when put up to them in the past 5 years. Bottlers gonna bottle

 

[StevieMax]

7 hours ago, Razoray said:

It's behind a paywall and I wont paste it all but there is a long piece in the Athletic (for a change) about the Liverpool v Manchester United "Derby".

It touches on the historical disaster chanting and highlights the Hillsborough singing by the Mancs on Sunday. That's the Echo, MEN and the Athletic that have reported on it this week, which can only help. Pity the national papers haven't picked it up. 

 

 

Among the many fans from both sides interviewed in Red On Red, nobody could remember hearing the Munich song when Liverpool and United met in the 1976-77 FA Cup final. But this was in the era of football hooliganism and there were violent scenes outside Wembley that day. Respect had given way to rancour.

By the time the clubs faced one another in an FA Cup semi-final two years later — first at Maine Road, and then a replay at Goodison Park four days later — it was rife; a five-line ditty that starts with “Who’s that dying on the runway?” and gets steadily worse from there.

It wasn’t just Liverpool; United fans recall hearing it at Everton, Leeds, Manchester City, and just about everywhere else. “But the Scousers were the worst,” said United fan Iain Crane in Red On Red. “It gave the rivalry a real edge. A nasty one.”

To repeat, this was the era of hooliganism and, against the backdrop of spite, the Liverpool-United rivalry had turned toxic.

The 1982-83 League Cup final at Wembley is remembered as a bloodbath, an FA Cup semi-final two years later even worse. Among the objects seized by police that day at Goodison were knives, scaffolding poles and golf balls with nails protruding from the surface.

In February 1986, United players getting off the bus at Anfield were sprayed with what appeared to be tear gas. Some Liverpool fans were caught in the crossfire. United manager Ron Atkinson famously said it was “like Vietnam out there”. On their next visit to Merseyside in December that year, the United team, by now under the management of Alex Ferguson, were accompanied on the bus in and out of the city by former Liverpool manager Bob Paisley as a means of deterring another attack.

The hooligan threat receded from the nadir of the mid-1980s but the vile chanting persisted until 1989, when the Hillsborough tragedy forced a belated reappraisal among Liverpool’s fans. For the most part, the Munich references fell quiet — and so their United counterparts would stoke the fires by chanting, pointedly, “Where’s your famous Munich song?”

Emboldened, as if imagining using their own club’s tragedy to score points at the expense of another, United’s fans pushed it further. Some of their chants were designed to appear oblique. Others were as gruesome as it gets.

The one you hear most these days is “Always the victims, it’s never your fault.” It was first aired around the time of the Suarez-Evra affair as Liverpool protested their Uruguayan striker’s innocence, even after the FA found him guilty of racially abusing the United full-back in 2011.

But when “Always the victims…” comes from the same dismal songbook as “The Sun was right, you’re murderers”, “You killed your own fans” and “If it wasn’t for the Scousers we could stand” — a reference to the move to all-seater stadiums post-Hillsborough — any right to the benefit of the doubt is not just lost but left in the gutter along with so much else.

Sunday threatened more of the same. Sure enough, after Liverpool went 2-0 up early in the second half, there were audible chants of “The Sun was right, you’re murderers” from the away end.

The best thing that can be said was that on this occasion the chant was not taken up by the majority of United supporters present, it did not appear to be repeated and there didn’t seem to be any retaliation from the home areas of Anfield. The smallest of small mercies, admittedly, but perhaps this match saw a slight, faltering step forward in that regard.

 

https://theathletic.com/4280105/2023/03/07/liverpool-manchester-united-derby-days/?source=twitteruk

I was at the 0-0 draw at OT in early 1977 & the Mancs were chanting "Keegan, Keegan how's your Dad" after he had died a few months earlier.

[dave u]

12 hours ago, Razoray said:

The (Neville) narrative after the game was that this was a freak and is unlike this "new" Manchester United. I saw tonight that they have conceded big scores across the entire season. Aside from September and December when they had only 2 league games:

August - conceded 4 v Brentford

October - conceded 6 v City

November - conceded 3 v Villa

January - conceded 3 v Arsenal

February - conceded 2 v Leeds

March - conceded 7 v Liverpool. 

 

For context, in a league season where the narrative has been that we are a soft touch and our defence is shocking, we have conceded 3 goals, five times this season and haven’t conceded 4 or more, once. 

 

The games v Brighton, Brentford and Wolves were a shambles defensively but the third was late in the game when we were chasing it. We never capitulated like they have against Brentford, City and on Sunday. 

 

They have acted disgracefully when put up to them in the past 5 years. Bottlers gonna bottle

 

 

Owen Hargreaves kept saying "this hasn't happened to Ten Hag before" and was peddling the one off, they've earned the benefit of the doubt narrative Neville had been pushing, and for a second it made me doubt the Man City game even happened.

 

 

[Razoray]

18 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Owen Hargreaves kept saying "this hasn't happened to Ten Hag before" and was peddling the one off, they've earned the benefit of the doubt narrative Neville had been pushing, and for a second it made me doubt the Man City game even happened.

 

 

 

 

He was correct, they did throw Ole under the bus, then were an embarrassment under Rangnick. The narrative has changed so much about these players because they brought in Martinez and Casemiro and Anthony (do me a favour). 

They are fine when the going is good, but are a disgrace when it isn’t. Their main issue is that they dont have the quality of player for times to be consistently positive. 

 

 

[DalyanPete]

17 hours ago, Jarvinja Ilnow said:

 

Are you saying that Dave's report needed a musical interlude?

 

 

Nah, bit of elevator jazz in the background wouldn't go amiss.