Keir Starmer

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Up to 39%, 2 points behind the Tories, in the latest Survation poll. 

 

Still early days though. The press seems to have given Starmer a fairly easy ride up until now. The donkey plot seems to have been their only real attempt to have a dig. 

[Vincent Vega]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

Up to 39%, 2 points behind the Tories, in the latest Survation poll. 

 

Still early days though. The press seems to have given Starmer a fairly easy ride up until now. The donkey plot seems to have been their only real attempt to have a dig. 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Regardless of whether it would be a good thing or not, I think Labour supporters should cool it with the SNP coalition talk. Fears of a Labour/SNP coalition were what killed Miliband's chances in 2015, it would be wise not to let them wreck Starmer's chances too.

Out of interest what’s the general consensus on Starmer from the Lib Dem support? Obviously more palatable to them than Corbyn.  

[Vincent Vega]

 

[Sugar Ape]

 

 

 

 

[Anubis]

I reckon after we crash out of the EU a quiet word will be had, Johnson will claim long term effects of Coronavirus bout, and will stand down for a clean pair of hands.

[A Red]

7 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

She literally said the only reason she's ruling it out was because of Corbyn. Yes she wanted/wants/will demand another referendum but ultimately she said she couldn't vote for Corbyn. 

WHERES THE EVIDENCE?

 

*Ardja approves of this post*

[sir roger]

Is Stig getting mixed up with the squirrel-killer ?

[Pureblood]

On 05/06/2020 at 23:00, Rico1304 said:

Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play? 

Bellend. 

[Vincent Vega]

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

I reckon after we crash out of the EU a quiet word will be had, Johnson will claim long term effects of Coronavirus bout, and will stand down for a clean pair of hands.

He defo won’t be leader of the Tory twats when they go into the next election.

[Section_31]

10 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

He defo won’t be leader of the Tory twats when they go into the next election.

It would be interesting if they had an Asian leader like Javed or Sunak, seeing as Johnson and the new breed have attracted a lot of out and out Britain first types to their ranks of late. Johnson's version of the Tory party has become a landing strip for racists and far right crackpots, it'll be interesting to see how they square that circle. I envisage an interview process like when Danny Glover goes for the Visa interview at the south African embassy in Lethal Weapon 2.

 

"I'm sorry Mr Sunak, we need to maintain our northern wall and I'm afraid you're, well you're..."

 

"I'm motherfucking what?"

 

"Well sir, you're blick."

[lifetime fan]

No chance is Johnson standing down before the next GE. 
 

He has such a majority he can bully his MP’s and cabinet I to doing exactly as he wants and then just fire them when a policy becomes toxic. 
 

He’ll keep putting up cabinet ministers to insulate himself from criticism and has a virtually impossible majority to lose in one election. 
 

He’s all about the self importance and kudos of being PM, it’s what he’s always wanted. No fucking way he’s going to give that up in less than one term when he can allow his SPADs and cabinet do all the actual work behind the scenes, stand in front of the cameras for photos and show up at PMQ’s some weeks. 
 

It’s depressing as fuck but we’re stuck with the cunt for the next 8 years at least. 

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

No chance is Johnson standing down before the next GE. 
 

He was such a majority he can bully his MP’s and cabinet I to doing exactly as he wants and then just fire them when a policy becomes toxic. 
 

He’ll keep putting up cabinet ministers to insulate himself from criticism and has a virtually impossible majority to lose in one election. 
 

He’s all about the self importance and kudos of being PM, it’s what he’s always wanted. No fucking way he’s going to give that up in less than one term when he can allow his SPADs and cabinet do all the actual work behind the scenes, stand in front of the cameras for photos and show up at PMQ’s some weeks. 
 

It’s depressing as fuck but we’re stuck with the cunt for the next 8 years at least. 

Dunno about 8 years, but he will absolutely fight the next election. 

[Bjornebye]

Just throwing it out there but I reckon Starmer is PM before 4 years. I’ll come back and rep this in a few years next time we have a site dilemma. 

[Anubis]

On 06/06/2020 at 09:42, Vincent Vega said:

I thought this was an interesting read from some journalists who you wouldn’t describe as Labour or Corbyn friendly.
 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/killing-jeremy-corbyn
 

The killing of Jeremy Corbyn

Peter Oborne and David Hearst

5 June 2020 08:58 UTC | Last update: 4 sec ago 

The former Labour leader was the victim of a carefully planned and brutally executed political assassination
 

Throughout his parliamentary career, the mild mannered, infuriatingly calm Jeremy Corbyn has never failed to excite strong emotions.

 

For his enemies, he will go down as one of Labour’s worst leaders. He failed to unite his party. He sent too many contradictory messages on Brexit, which was the greatest issue of his time. He never dealt with Labour’s antisemitism problem. And he ultimately went down to a catastrophic defeat in the 2019 general election.

For an equally vociferous and ardent army of his supporters, Corbyn tripled party membership, banished austerity, shifted the mainstream political discourse leftwards, and presented a genuinely radical alternative to the quagmire of post-industrial capitalism.   

Truthful journalism

We don’t hold a candle for Corbyn. Neither of us are Labour Party members, and indeed one of us has worked as a political correspondent and commentator for The Spectator, The Daily Telegraphand The Daily Mail, three stalwarts of Tory opinion-making. Both of us care greatly about accurate, truthful journalism. Both of us, as British citizens, cherish the tradition of fair play and decency.
 

That is why we believe everyone should be concerned about the picture painted of Corbyn by the British media for the four years he was leader. 

 

Corbyn was never the monstrous figure presented to the British people. He was never a Marxist. He was not hell-bent on the destruction of Western capitalism. He was a socialist. Nor was he an antisemite, and there is no serious evidence which suggests that he was, though we certainly do not absolve him of poor judgement, for instance  in joining various internet forums in his years on the backbenches. 

 

And he was not a divisive figure - the claim made against him by so many of his right-wing opponents.

Political assassination

Indeed, one of Corbyn’s problems was that he was too soft with his internal enemies as he tried to unite the Labour Party after his shock leadership victory in 2015. He was a flawed politician who made mistakes.

We wanted to give Corbyn a chance, which was largely denied him as Labour leader, to tell his side of the story

But he also possessed personal decency and authenticity, which has scarcely been acknowledged amidst the thousands of hatchet jobs conducted against him in the press and wider media. That is why we thought it was important to conduct the first major interview with Corbyn since he stepped down as Labour leader on 3 April this year. 

 

We wanted to give him a chance, which was largely denied him as Labour leader, to tell his side of the story. We also wanted to expose one sombre truth; Corbyn was the victim of a carefully planned and brutally executed political assassination.

He was never given a chance. Not by the bulk of Labour’s parliamentary party and many officials, some of whom (we are now learning) campaigned harder against their elected leader than they did against the Tory government. Not by senior figures connected to the British state, including former spy chiefs, military officers and civil servants, all of whom should have known much better.

Take the claim that Corbyn’s director of strategy Seumas Milne would not get security clearance at 10 Downing Street because he "hobnobbed" with Putin.
 

The former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, told the Mail on Sunday: "Anyone with his sort of background could not be let anywhere near classified information. It would be out of the question," Dearlove said.

 

"That means Corbyn could not make the judgments and decisions a PM has to make unless he stopped consulting him." Dearlove’s successor at MI6 and former chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, Sir John Scarlett "hobnobbed" with Putin and took his hospitality at the Valdai Club the year before Milne went. 

One of us had a drink in a bar in Moscow with a supremely relaxed Scarlett who evidently enjoyed his time talking to Putin and his mates.

Falsehoods and misrepresentations

Lie after lie was told about Corbyn, day after day, month after month. For the last four years very few journalists have bothered to do their job to fact-check the claims and report fairly on him.

Jeremy Corbyn: British media waged campaign to destroy me

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In our review of Tom Bower’s book "A Dangerous Hero", we investigated and exposed a farrago of falsehoods and misrepresentations in what was presented as a major biography of the Labour leader published by Harper Collins, one of Britain’s most significant publishers. 

 

We showed how Bower misrepresented a meeting of the Palestinian Return Centre (PRC). Bower accused the PRC of being a group that blamed Jews for the Holocaust. Nobody affiliated with the PRC has ever expressed such views, as was accepted by an inquiry led by the Commissioner of Standards. 

 

Harper Collins and Bower agreed not to repeat the allegation. The Mail on Sunday, which lavishly serialised Bower’s book, withdrew the allegation and apologised. The point to note here is that when such claims face the prospect of being examined properly in a court of law by judges who are led by facts and evidence and who conduct their inquiry with due process, they tend to fall apart. 

Sir Keir Starmer, a barrister by training, please note: due process matters. It has been absent for the last four years in the party you now head. We showed how Bower misrepresented Corbyn’s dealings with the National Health Service (NHS). He reports that the junior doctor strikes organised by the British Medical Association (BMA) in 2016 were “under the control of Momentum”.

Both the BMA and Momentum denied this. The BMA said "there is no evidence to suggest this was the case.” Bower certainly didn’t provide any. We showed how Bower misrepresented a confrontation between Labour activist Marc Wadsworthand Labour MP Ruth Smeeth at the launch for Shami Chakrabarti’s report on antisemitism in June 2016.
 

This was another incident seized upon by the media to attack Corbyn. Bower writes that “Wadsworth snapped at her that not only was she ‘working hand-in-hand’ with the right-wing media by speaking to the journalist, but she was also a Jew”.

 

The brief incident is recorded on video. Nowhere in the footage does Wadsworth say that Smeeth is Jewish. MEE spoke to two eyewitnesses to this event, both of whom confirmed that at no point did Wadsworth say that Smeeth was Jewish.

Against all types of racism

As the election loomed, much of the press presented Boris Johnson, Corbyn’s Tory opponent, as a national figure and a saviour of the nation. 

Racism against any religious minority is unacceptable in our society and for that reason Islamophobia should just as ardently be hunted down and identified - wherever it appears

This – as the nation is learning the hard way – was as grievous a lie as anything told about Corbyn. By one of life’s strange ironies, Johnson, unlike Corbyn himself, has indeed been guilty of producing offensive antisemitic stereotypes.

 

A group of Jewish academics and campaigners pointed out that one of Johnson’s novels invoked one of the most pernicious antisemitic stereotypes when he describes "Jewish oligarchs" who, in the words of the academics, "run the media, and fiddle the figures to fix elections in their favour". 

 

As Corbyn told us, and we believe he is being sincere in this, antisemitism is an evil which has been tolerated and accepted for far too long in British society. It is, however, not the only form of racism tolerated in political circles. The fight against this scourge should not be party political, nor should the fight against racism be confined to racism against Jews. 

 

Racism against any religious minority is unacceptable in our society and for that reason Islamophobia should just as ardently be hunted down and identified - wherever it appears. The two campaigns should go hand in hand. They should be in lockstep.

But they aren’t. 

Lynch mob justice

By another irony, once he had won the election, Johnson adopted a number of Corbyn’s policies which he had previously denounced as unworkable. 

How top Labour officials plotted to bring down Jeremy Corbyn

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Since becoming prime minister, Johnson has abandoned planned cuts in corporation tax, announced plans to nationalise Northern Railand announced £100bn funding for infrastructure projects. 

The heritage of the British press means what appears in its columns carry a weight far greater than remarks made casually in a pub or a workplace. It’s very hard to see how any decent person reading much of the newspapers or absorbing the broadcasting coverage of the last few years could have possibly voted for Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

Indeed, Corbyn said as much in his interview with MEE, noting the coverage was so hostile that even he would “not want to live on the same street” as the man he read about in some British newspapers. The media abandoned any form of the objectivity or fact-checking they apply to almost everyone else.

 

Accusers became judge, jury and executioner. 

There was no due process, no independent inquiry after the facts,  no suspension of judgement until the facts were uncovered. Within seconds, the accusation became the new reality. This was lynch mob justice.

 

The mob have got their way. Corbyn is back to where he was at the start of this bizarre journey, an MP well respected locally in North Islington and on the back benches. His allies have been purged from the front benches. 
 

But this episode should concern all of us who believe in means as well as ends. The simple question that any MP of whatever political shade should ask themselves is what they would do, how they would feel, if the same tactics were used against them. They would scream foul. They would be right.

 

This kind of mob politics threatens democracy itself because without truthful and honest public discourse, dark forces make their presence felt. 

Mob politics still in full flow, as per the above. This is where we are at. A Labour politician can’t share the above article without being attacked.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

31 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

No chance is Johnson standing down before the next GE. 
 

He has such a majority he can bully his MP’s and cabinet I to doing exactly as he wants and then just fire them when a policy becomes toxic. 
 

He’ll keep putting up cabinet ministers to insulate himself from criticism and has a virtually impossible majority to lose in one election. 
 

He’s all about the self importance and kudos of being PM, it’s what he’s always wanted. No fucking way he’s going to give that up in less than one term when he can allow his SPADs and cabinet do all the actual work behind the scenes, stand in front of the cameras for photos and show up at PMQ’s some weeks. 
 

It’s depressing as fuck but we’re stuck with the cunt for the next 8 years at least. 

 

I'm not so sure about that. The Tories will have the aftermath of Covid to deal with alongside the the affects of Brexit and whatever Trade route they end up going down. The Electorate are pretty fickle, especially when they are hit in the pocket. It won't take much for the Tory party to start stabbing each other in the back. Johnson is incompetent as it is, with what's on the horizon that will just become more apparent, even to those who voted for him. 

[lifetime fan]

3 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I'm not so sure about that. The Tories will have the aftermath of Covid to deal with alongside the the affects of Brexit and whatever Trade route they end up going down. The Electorate are pretty fickle, especially when they are hit in the pocket. It won't take much for the Tory party to start stabbing each other in the back. Johnson is incompetent as it is, with what's on the horizon that will just become more apparent, even to those who voted for him. 

I wish you’d be right but it ain’t going to happen. 
 

They’ll want that Teflon cunt in charge for as long as possible and nothing is changing with the current majority. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

3 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I wish you’d be right but it ain’t going to happen. 
 

They’ll want that Teflon cunt in charge for as long as possible and nothing is changing with the current majority. 

 

We'll have to wait and see, Col. 4 years is a long time in politics in normal times, never mind what is on the horizon due to the current climate. They won't be able to beat the Brexit drum and blame the woes of the UK on the EU come the next election. Starmer will rip Johnson a new arsehole when the time comes about. Who knows, Johnson may not yet see out this term. 

[Tj hooker]

53 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

We'll have to wait and see, Col. 4 years is a long time in politics in normal times, never mind what is on the horizon due to the current climate. They won't be able to beat the Brexit drum and blame the woes of the UK on the EU come the next election. Starmer will rip Johnson a new arsehole when the time comes about. Who knows, Johnson may not yet see out this term. 

Exactly this if the Tories are hemorrhaging points in the opinion  polls and  losing support due to the bollocks they have made of this pandemic and also the shitshow that Brexit is going to do to the economy then they will ditch the useless tube of lard without so much as flicker of an emotion , it's what the lying Tory bastards do .

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

We'll have to wait and see, Col. 4 years is a long time in politics in normal times, never mind what is on the horizon due to the current climate. They won't be able to beat the Brexit drum and blame the woes of the UK on the EU come the next election. Starmer will rip Johnson a new arsehole when the time comes about. Who knows, Johnson may not yet see out this term. 

No but they have Covid as the perfect cover for "we had to save everyone but now we must all pay for it" as their ready made excuse.

Any cuts will be in the context of are you saying we shouldn't have put lives before the economy ? 

 

I hope I am wrong, but the usual suspects will double down and lap up the horseshit fed to them. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

7 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

No but they have Covid as the perfect cover for "we had to save everyone but now we must all pay for it" as their ready made excuse.

Any cuts will be in the context of are you saying we shouldn't have put lives before the economy ? 

 

I hope I am wrong, but the usual suspects will double down and lap up the horseshit fed to them. 

 

The problem with that is many know that the incumbent Government are responsible for handling the pandemic poorly. As you say, the usual suspects will still vote for them, but without Brexit they'll haemorrhage voters who basically sided with the Devil purely based on Brexit. No doubt some other party will arise as the alternative Party for poor people who lean to the right. In the big scheme of things Politics in the UK is in a shit state, and has been for some time. I'd be worried what the Tory fuckers will get up to whilst they are in Office, because by the time the next GE comes about a lot of shit could be in place. 

[Scooby Dudek]

3 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

The problem with that is many know that the incumbent Government are responsible for handling the pandemic poorly. As you say, the usual suspects will still vote for them, but without Brexit they'll haemorrhage voters who basically sided with the Devil purely based on Brexit. No doubt some other party will arise as the alternative Party for poor people who lean to the right. In the big scheme of things Politics in the UK is in a shit state, and has been for some time. I'd be worried what the Tory fuckers will get up to whilst they are in Office, because by the time the next GE comes about a lot of shit could be in place. 

Don't know if lockdown or current state of media and government but feeling excessively pessimistic about politics/people at the moment.

 

As I previously stated I hope I am wrong, I have been once before.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

4 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Don't know if lockdown or current state of media and government but feeling excessively pessimistic about politics/people at the moment.

 

As I previously stated I hope I am wrong, I have been once before.

 

I sympathise with you mate, but the more people who become disinterested in Politics the easier it will be for the Tories to remain in power. If Trump is ousted later this year (if their elections go ahead,) then that could have a positive effect. Another term in office with that cunt in charge could spell disaster though. 

[lifetime fan]

48 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

The problem with that is many know that the incumbent Government are responsible for handling the pandemic poorly. As you say, the usual suspects will still vote for them, but without Brexit they'll haemorrhage voters who basically sided with the Devil purely based on Brexit. No doubt some other party will arise as the alternative Party for poor people who lean to the right. In the big scheme of things Politics in the UK is in a shit state, and has been for some time. I'd be worried what the Tory fuckers will get up to whilst they are in Office, because by the time the next GE comes about a lot of shit could be in place. 

You underestimate the fucking stupidity of the electorate. 

[RedKnight]

Getting battered for saying the Colston statue should have come down but not torn down as it was. Honestly don't know what an elected official trying to appeal to the broad electorate is meant to say.

 

The hard left of the party who complained bitterly that Corbyn wasn't supported by vast parts of the membership are now doing the same. This is why Labour is so rarely in power.