Coronavirus

[Bjornebye]

This virus has really brought out the worst in humanity. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Elite said:

Well Spybee obviously drives in his footy kit and controls the pedals with his studs, whilst eating a double-cheeseburger and 6 cans of Stella. 

And I suppose everybody else on here is a tee-total, vegan fitness fanatic. Do me a favour you patronising twat!

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Elite said:

Well Spybee obviously drives in his footy kit and controls the pedals with his studs, whilst eating a double-cheeseburger and 6 cans of Stella. 

Spy Bee is Neil Ruddock???? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I'm not superstitious. I think being superstitious is retarded. There is a chance I could get Covid and die, or suffer really badly. The fact that I have posted about it on here doesn't make me any more prone to this. Covid isn't reading this thinking "I'll show you!".

 

None of them have any consequences to being wrong. Ferguson has had no consequences to scaring the shit out of the world by exaggerating the risk about ten fold. Whitty & Vallance have no consequences for standing up there and deliberately misleading the nation.

 

No, it's not bollocks. Because I am not suggesting that everybody who is 80 goes out there and licks the faces of the afflicted. There you go, misrepresenting my views again. If you can't understand my four word summary, you're either being deliberately obtuse, or you're thick as fuck.

Yes mate I’m the thick one. Weren’t you the daft cunt who fucked his business up? 

[Elite]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

And I suppose everybody else on here is a tee-total, vegan fitness fanatic. Do me a favour you patronising twat!

No chance of you catching a sense of humour either.

[Mudface]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

And the driving analogy is bollocks.  Do you drive the same in the rain or snow as you do on a lovely straight motorway?  Do you drive everywhere at 120mph?  There are very few deaths per journey so why bother with a seat belt? 

Quite. As @Sugar Ape and others have pointed out many times, there are a huge number of laws and specifications associated with driving to mitigate the risks.

 

Also, back to herd immunity, how is filling up hospitals with Covid sufferers and risking health and other key workers supposed to make things 'better' for other people with health issues?

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes mate I’m the thick one. Weren’t you the daft cunt who fucked his business up? 

My businesses are doing just fine mate. The contracting Trust on this occasion accepted that they were in the wrong. I did explain at the time that it was a relatively small part of our turnover. You clearly don't pay attention.

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

My businesses are doing just fine mate. The contracting Trust on this occasion accepted that they were in the wrong. I did explain at the time that it was a relatively small part of our turnover. You clearly don't pay attention.

Ha ha. Course. That’s why you were on here asking for advice rather than asking Alan Sugar down at the club. 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

Quite. As @Sugar Ape and others have pointed out many times, there are a huge number of laws and specifications associated with driving to mitigate the risks.

 

Also, back to herd immunity, how is filling up hospitals with Covid sufferers and risking health and other key workers supposed to make things 'better' for other people with health issues?

A) Driving is not without risk though, is it?

B) Well, very few people from the lower risk categories would need to attend hospital. At the risk of repeating myself, Covid cannot be considered in isolation. There are risks to carrying on the way we are.

 

I should point out to the people who are telling me that I may regret saying that I would take my chances with Covid, there is a flip sid to that coin. If one of your friends or family suffers severe mental health issues, undiagnosed cancer, misses treatment or scans they would otherwise of had, or if they lose their job and end up at the end of a long line of unemployed people then you'll see first hand the dangers of the restrictions being placed on society.

[Spy Bee]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha. Course. That’s why you were on here asking for advice rather than asking Alan Sugar down at the club. 

I'm not pretending to be a high roller. I thought this was a community where people may like to offer each other assistance. Seems I got this place all wrong.

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

A) Driving is not without risk though, is it?

B) Well, very few people from the lower risk categories would need to attend hospital. At the risk of repeating myself, Covid cannot be considered in isolation. There are risks to carrying on the way we are.

 

I should point out to the people who are telling me that I may regret saying that I would take my chances with Covid, there is a flip sid to that coin. If one of your friends or family suffers severe mental health issues, undiagnosed cancer, misses treatment or scans they would otherwise of had, or if they lose their job and end up at the end of a long line of unemployed people then you'll see first hand the dangers of the restrictions being placed on society.

Nope, but it'd be a sight more risky without all the restrictions imposed on it.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

A) Driving is not without risk though, is it?

B) Well, very few people from the lower risk categories would need to attend hospital. At the risk of repeating myself, Covid cannot be considered in isolation. There are risks to carrying on the way we are.

 

I should point out to the people who are telling me that I may regret saying that I would take my chances with Covid, there is a flip sid to that coin. If one of your friends or family suffers severe mental health issues, undiagnosed cancer, misses treatment or scans they would otherwise of had, or if they lose their job and end up at the end of a long line of unemployed people then you'll see first hand the dangers of the restrictions being placed on society.

There is no need for any of those services to be limited if the government wasn’t fucking useless. They arent mutually exclusive.  

[Rico1304]

Just now, Mudface said:

Nope, but it'd be a sight more risky without all the restrictions imposed on it.

Like the licence, the thousands of laws, the billions spent on safety and the fact you can go to prison for life for ignoring the laws.  Spot on. 

[Spy Bee]

Nobody has ever tried to suggest that risk mitigation when it comes to driving is a bad thing. However, driving still comes with risk attached to it. Pretty much everything does.

[Brownie]

5 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

A) Driving is not without risk though, is it?

B) Well, very few people from the lower risk categories would need to attend hospital. At the risk of repeating myself, Covid cannot be considered in isolation. There are risks to carrying on the way we are.

 

I should point out to the people who are telling me that I may regret saying that I would take my chances with Covid, there is a flip sid to that coin. If one of your friends or family suffers severe mental health issues, undiagnosed cancer, misses treatment or scans they would otherwise of had, or if they lose their job and end up at the end of a long line of unemployed people then you'll see first hand the dangers of the restrictions being placed on society.

So you are potentially saving lives by "going back to normal" but then willingly killing people by doing it. What's the fucking point?

[Bjornebye]

"Lets save lives by knowingly killing people" sounds like a Tory slogan if you replace the 'save lives' with 'get rich'. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

So you are potentially saving lives by "going back to normal" but then willingly killing people by doing it. What's the fucking point?

Are you suggesting that the action of going back to normal has a risk and reward that cancels itself out? If so, then wouldn't you choose normal over this?

 

I happen to believe that we would end up with a lower death toll, and a more functional society by carefully working our way back to normal. 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Are you suggesting that the action of going back to normal has a risk and reward that cancels itself out? If so, then wouldn't you choose normal over this?

 

I happen to believe that we would end up with a lower death toll, and a more functional society by carefully working our way back to normal. 

Then why do 95% of the experts disagree with you?  
 

You post data and articles in here but you have no expertise. None at all. 
 

If you were at the top of a building and had the choice of 2 lifts, one designed by a team of experts in lift design using the best available knowledge or one designed by a maverick part time lift designer with radical ideas on safety backed up by a petition of people with no experience in lifts, which one would you get in?  

[Brownie]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Are you suggesting that the action of going back to normal has a risk and reward that cancels itself out? If so, then wouldn't you choose normal over this?

 

I happen to believe that we would end up with a lower death toll, and a more functional society by carefully working our way back to normal. 

No i'm not suggesting it would cancel itself out, I wouldn't even begin to have any informed view on that, i'll leave that to the experts.

 

Obviously you know more than them.

 

We had our chance to be in the best position to manage the situation until we have a vaccine and we fucked it up by not sorting an effective process of track/trace and testing.

 

When I say "we", I mean those Tory cunts.

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Then why do 95% of the experts disagree with you?  

Qualify that statement. I don't believe it is correct.

 

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You post data and articles in here but you have no expertise. None at all. 

Did I ever claim to be a specialist?

 

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

If you were at the top of a building and had the choice of 2 lifts, one designed by a team of experts in lift design using the best available knowledge or one designed by a maverick part time lift designer with radical ideas on safety backed up by a petition of people with no experience in lifts, which one would you get in?  

I think that's a rubbish analogy. The policies are being made by Johnson and other politicians and they make no sense. They are not based on evidence. 10pm curfew? You can watch football in a cinema, but not in a football ground outdoors? Pubs in Wales are table service only, but unlicensed cafe's are not?

 

You've made your mind up that there is some kind of clinical/scientific consensus about the best way forward, but there really is not.

[Brownie]

The way out of it is for all of the major nations to get together and come to some sort of mad arrangement which effectively pauses the world economy until we have a vaccine. Print money and give it to people and then start again. It might sound outlandish and crazy but i'd rather there was some sort of creative idea along those lines than what we have no and mental ideas like herd immunity.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

 

If you were at the top of a building and had the choice of 2 lifts, one designed by a team of experts in lift design using the best available knowledge or one designed by a maverick part time lift designer with radical ideas on safety backed up by a petition of people with no experience in lifts, which one would you get in?  

I tried a similar one in the great mask-debate of July/August. "Ok mr 'masks don't do fuck all' if you were getting in a lift with someone who had Covid would you rather they had a mask on or not?" Reply? "I wouldn't get in the lift." 

 

Seriously. 

[Barrington Womble]

17000 new cases according to the government today. 

 

Zoe is up slightly to almost 22,000 - the numbers in the northwest have made a massive jump

 

Do the government still provide free ICU bed details etc? 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

The way out of it is for all of the major nations to get together and come to some sort of mad arrangement which effectively pauses the world economy until we have a vaccine. Print money and give it to people and then start again. It might sound outlandish and crazy but i'd rather there was some sort of creative idea along those lines than what we have no and mental ideas like herd immunity.

According to Beef Stroganoff the bit in bold is in full-swing. 

 

Yeah I'd rather we fucked the idea of printing money right off. 

[mattyq]

7 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

17000 new cases according to the government today. 

 

Zoe is up slightly to almost 22,000 - the numbers in the northwest have made a massive jump

 

Do the government still provide free ICU bed details etc? 

 

 

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