Coronavirus

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I can't speak for Rico, but I wouldn't deny any non-expert's right to express an opinion (I mean, I do it often enough myself), but if their opinion is completely unfounded and rejects all expert opinion (whether that's on vaccines, climate change or the shape of the Earth) then it deserves to be treated with absolute contempt.

 

All people should be treated with equal respect; all opinions should not.

This. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I refer you to the iconic Billie Holiday song Strange Fruit, originally a poem by  Jewish schoolteacher Lewis Allen who although had no direct connection to the events down south he was shocked and appalled at the news he was hearing of black men being lynced from trees in those southern states.

 

Holiday read the poem, assembled the finest jazz musicians America had to offer and took three weeks working on arranging the tune, melody and delivery. The song is considered to be one of, if not the most important contributions ever to the American civil rights movement. 

 

Both Holiday and the writer Lewis Allen also shared a love of cats, so an opportunity missed? 

 

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190415-strange-fruit-the-most-shocking-song-of-all-time

Incidentally, I reckon you'd enjoy this (if you've not already read it).

 

"33 Revolutions Per Minute by Dorian Lynskey: Very Good Paperback (2012) | Bahamut Media" https://www.abebooks.co.uk/33-Revolutions-Minute-Dorian-Lynskey-Faber/30878238557/bd?cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_Tradestandard-_-product_id=COUK9780571241354USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjwsNiIBhBdEiwAJK4khrt0iolcyS2oAHHjzsj-2o7We0cYJbxU8JAoC47FFBw_dhekACBeexoC3IsQAvD_BwE

 

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hit Em Up by 2Pac was about seeing a motherfucker without a mask on in the Lidl 

First off, fuck your mask and the quids you claim...

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Hmm, well when you've wrote 'in fear of a black planet and Astral Weeks as those two artists have then a little leeway has probably been earned, as it'd be foolish to judge the writer of Eloner Rigby by the Frog chorus.

 

If we're on the subject of Rico and his little band of merry men's assertion of only putting a pen to the paper if you're an expert in that field then I refer you to the iconic Billie Holiday song Strange Fruit, originally a poem by  Jewish schoolteacher Lewis Allen who although had no direct connection to the events down south he was shocked and appalled at the news he was hearing of black men being lynced from trees in those southern states.

 

Holiday read the poem, assembled the finest jazz musicians America had to offer and took three weeks working on arranging the tune, melody and delivery. The song is considered to be one of, if not the most important contributions ever to the American civil rights movement. 

 

Both Holiday and the writer Lewis Allen also shared a love of cats, so an opportunity missed? 

 

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190415-strange-fruit-the-most-shocking-song-of-all-time

I almost watched a film on this, I watched the 1990s version of Mortal Kombat instead. It didn't go well. I'll watch the Billie Holliday film next.

[Bjornebye]

19 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

First off, fuck your mask and the quids you claim...

You claim to be a player but I vaxxed your wife... 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

39 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Oh it’s because he’s black I don’t want advice from him?   Not because he’s zero experience or qualifications in the field?  Thanks for trying to cloud this subject with nonexistent racism.  It shows you have zero other argument.  Well done.  

He’s not making comment on the vaccine you absolutely ignorant bellwhiff. 
 

He’s saying stop being a cunt to each other just because you have a different point of view.

 

Learn. To. Read. 
 

Plus, it’s easy this non-existent stuff isn’t it. 
 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

48 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Wasn’t suggesting he had mate, just a light-hearted, throwaway comment after reading Iceman’s amusing post about Vanilla Ice. 

Ah, wasn’t sure. 

[Bjornebye]

It's still Dre Day vaxxa, AZ vaxxa.....

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

He’s not making comment on the vaccine you absolutely ignorant bellwhiff. 
 

He’s saying stop being a cunt to each other just because you have a different point of view.

 

Learn. To. Read. 
 

Plus, it’s easy this non-existent stuff isn’t it. 
 

 

Remember in school and you had to do comprehension exercises in English?  How did you do?  Was it not very well or very poorly. 
 

He makes no reference to the fact being vaccinated makes it much less likely you’ll be ill, hospitalised or pass it on. None at all. That’s disingenuous at best or downright misleading.  He then says keeping your immune system healthy is ‘the real cure’. Well, that’s just bollocks isn’t it. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I'm just commenting on that one post.

Pro-vax and anti-vax are not different viewpoints with equal validity.

I am still trying to work out how what he said is anything like Van Morrison and wrong in any way.

 

It’s starting to get Beyoncé ridiculous on here. Someone something about looking after each other regardless of where you stand, and people see red over it.

 

Some proper cranks on here. Like, head the balls. Sit down, you are giving the proper head the balls a bad name. 
 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Remember in school and you had to do comprehension exercises in English?  How did you do?  Was it not very well or very poorly. 
 

He makes no reference to the fact being vaccinated makes it much less likely you’ll be ill, hospitalised or pass it on. None at all. That’s disingenuous at best or downright misleading.  He then says keeping your immune system healthy is ‘the real cure’. Well, that’s just bollocks isn’t it. 

Haha! Bore off you boring bell.
 

You’re racist. Just admit and let the gammon flow. 
 

 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Haha! Bore off you boring bell.
 

You’re racist. Just admit and let the gammon flow. 
 

 

Racist for disagreeing with Chuck D? 

[Brownie]

I also disagree with Chuck D. The overall premise of “stop being cunts to each other is sound”. The other stuff though, is not great.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Racist for disagreeing with Chuck D? 

It’s easy to throw round accusations like Rico does. 
 

I don’t believe he is racist just playing his game.

[No2]

24 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I am still trying to work out how what he said is anything like Van Morrison and wrong in any way.

 

It’s starting to get Beyoncé ridiculous on here. Someone something about looking after each other regardless of where you stand, and people see red over it.

 

Some proper cranks on here. Like, head the balls. Sit down, you are giving the proper head the balls a bad name. 
 

 

He's actually closer to Trumps there are good people on both sides.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I can't speak for Rico, but I wouldn't deny any non-expert's right to express an opinion (I mean, I do it often enough myself), but if their opinion is completely unfounded and rejects all expert opinion (whether that's on vaccines, climate change or the shape of the Earth) then it deserves to be treated with absolute contempt.

 

All people should be treated with equal respect; all opinions should not.

I can't see what Chuck D says in them lyrics that rejects all expert opinion.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

31 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I am still trying to work out how what he said is anything like Van Morrison and wrong in any way.

I just thought it read a bit less like "Debate this stuff, but don't be personally abusive arseholes about it" and a bit more like "Pro-vax and anti-vax are two opinions of equal validity". I could be wrong - in which case, I'll apologise to him, next time I see him.

 

31 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

It’s starting to get Beyoncé ridiculous on here. 

You try to convince us that you're a Public Enemy fan, like the cool kids, but your phone's just outed you as a pop fan. Tsk. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I can't speak for Rico, but I wouldn't deny any non-expert's right to express an opinion (I mean, I do it often enough myself), but if their opinion is completely unfounded and rejects all expert opinion (whether that's on vaccines, climate change or the shape of the Earth) then it deserves to be treated with absolute contempt.

 

All people should be treated with equal respect; all opinions should not.

Obviously but does Chuck D really reject all experts opinions with those lyrics? and is that the point anyway?  He's had the vaccination himself so it's hardly some anti vax protest. Anyway aren't Rico and his crew stating that only "the experts" should be allowed to comment? I believe they are.

 

Seems a little strange to see a person get so wound up over an American rap artists fairly inconsequential lyrics whilst at the same time he's rallying againt some writers getting a bit of grief on twitter over on the cancel culture thread.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 12/08/2021 at 08:39, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Chuck D.

Anyone reading this would reasonably conclude that he thinks vaccination makes no significant difference to health outcomes and that it's wrong to give more weight to pro-vax arguments than anti-vax. The advice"do whatever makes you feel good" is really not what's needed during a public health crisis, when we all need to do what it takes to keep each other safe. And you can't "keep your immune system right whether vaccinated or not". Put simply, an unvaccinated person's immune system is not "right" to deal with a virus.

 

 

[Edit] You'll note that there's nothing insulting in this post. He's right that the tone of the debate doesn't have to be like a"war", but that doesn't mean that dangerous misinformation should be treated with the same respect as lifesaving science.

[Bjornebye]

The D in Chuck D stands for Delta-Variant. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Incidentally, I reckon you'd enjoy this (if you've not already read it).

 

"33 Revolutions Per Minute by Dorian Lynskey: Very Good Paperback (2012) | Bahamut Media" https://www.abebooks.co.uk/33-Revolutions-Minute-Dorian-Lynskey-Faber/30878238557/bd?cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_Tradestandard-_-product_id=COUK9780571241354USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjwsNiIBhBdEiwAJK4khrt0iolcyS2oAHHjzsj-2o7We0cYJbxU8JAoC47FFBw_dhekACBeexoC3IsQAvD_BwE

 

No I haven't read it Angry although I will definitely check that out when I've got the time. Cheers.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Both Holiday and the writer Lewis Allen also shared a love of cats, so an opportunity missed? 

 

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190415-strange-fruit-the-most-shocking-song-of-all-time

Adolf Hitler was a dog lover, so we can draw our own conclusions.

[Mudface]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Anyone reading this would reasonably conclude that he thinks vaccination makes no significant difference to health outcomes and that it's wrong to give more weight to pro-vax arguments than anti-vax. The advice"do whatever makes you feel good" is really not what's needed during a public health crisis, when we all need to do what it takes to keep each other safe. And you can't "keep your immune system right whether vaccinated or not". Put simply, an unvaccinated person's immune system is not "right" to deal with a virus.

Yep. This in particular is what people are taking exception to-

 

 

As you posted earlier, he's ascribing a false equivalence. We've seen this before with fringe, usually non-scientific views being elevated in status. The BBC's climate change coverage is particularly bad when they invite deniers on as if they represent a mainstream view and not one pushed by some extremely dubious figures- the same figures that also seem to be heavily involved in politicising the Covid public health response for their own selfish, ideological reasons.

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Adolf Hitler was a dog lover, so we can draw our own conclusions.

Excellent painter too, could paint a two roomed apartment in a single day.

[Red Shift]

13 hours ago, i5x said:

It is synthesised. That is why decoding the spike protine was a huge breakthrough.

 

These vaccines, whilst they are new,  the concept was not just the knowlage of how to actually achieve had been lacking.

 

The DNA vaccine uses a piece CoVid RNA  converted to DNA then inserts DNA to weakened adenovirus that is harmless to human, this provoke the immune response. Incase someone doesn't know RNA is single stranded DNA, so you can then use the RNA code to produce DNA. 

 

I mean you can say stuff looks horrendous, but at end of day most will willingly expose themselves to radiation, keamotheopy etc when they have cancers. Others actually chose to inject themselves with botulinum toxin. Some ingredients of vaccines over years are bloody awful, there is alot goes in to it though for eg amount of said ingredients.

When you say “it’s synthesised”  what is the synthetic material?