Loris Karius

[deiseach]

And he certainly has youth - and teen idol looks - on his side.

 

Usher's mum hates him already.

[Cij]

https://basstunedtored.com/2016/05/25/loris-karius-stats-review/

 

The above link makes it clear that Karius is an excellent shot stopper who has a history of being passive on crosses but makes very few mistakes. Other sources tell us he is quick to sweep behind the back line and is good with his feet. That is the profile of keeper we opted for and it is clear he was not bought for his "command of the box". 

 

Mignolet's saves to shots ratio for the past two seasons was one of the worst in the league. He is also reluctant to sweep, made more errors than any other keeper, and is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet. The knock on effect is that we conceded far more goals than we should have given the poor quality of chances afforded to our opponents, our pressing game was hampered due to our inability to play a higher line given the risk of space in behind, and we were more susceptible to pressing by the opposition or dropping points due to clangers. 

 

Karius was bought to address most of these issues but he isn't perfect and crosses are currently his Achilles heel. Perhaps we hope that his handling will improve with the right coaching / experience? Maybe the plan is to offer him protection through a zonal marking system and aerially-aggressive defenders?

 

What i do know is that Klopp felt his gifts outweighed his vulnerabilities in our desired system. Karius is what he is and if that is good enough for Klopp in the long run then it is good enough for me. In the fullness of time the stats will show he is a significant upgrade on Migs.

[jimmycase]

https://basstunedtored.com/2016/05/25/loris-karius-stats-review/

 

The above link makes it clear that Karius is an excellent shot stopper who has a history of being passive on crosses but makes very few mistakes. Other sources tell us he is quick to sweep behind the back line and is good with his feet. That is the profile of keeper we opted for and it is clear he was not bought for his "command of the box". 

 

Mignolet's saves to shots ratio for the past two seasons was one of the worst in the league. He is also reluctant to sweep, made more errors than any other keeper, and is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet. The knock on effect is that we conceded far more goals than we should have given the poor quality of chances afforded to our opponents, our pressing game was hampered due to our inability to play a higher line given the risk of space in behind, and we were more susceptible to pressing by the opposition or dropping points due to clangers. 

 

Karius was bought to address most of these issues but he isn't perfect and crosses are currently his Achilles heel. Perhaps we hope that his handling will improve with the right coaching / experience? Maybe the plan is to offer him protection through a zonal marking system and aerially-aggressive defenders?

 

What i do know is that Klopp felt his gifts outweighed his vulnerabilities in our desired system. Karius is what he is and if that is good enough for Klopp in the long run then it is good enough for me. In the fullness of time the stats will show he is a significant upgrade on Migs.

 

I dont for one minute think Klopp would bring in a new keeper who was better at something but not up to it in other areas so I cant put any credence on that summation.

[Special character]

Too many memories of David James flapping at corners and them lot pissing it at Anfield in the 90's. Every cross was a goal or a close shave.

If they turn up, go full alehouse and we lose, the lad will be set back months.

 

I'd go with Mig and let Karius get used to the rough stuff elsewhere (though how he will learn this on the training ground is beyond me, as the big guys in the team are the ones supposed to be helping him deal with the crosses. It's not like Firmino charging him is going to prepare for Ibrahimovic steaming in on him)

[TheHowieLama]

If Lucas would stop giving away stupid fouls we wouldn't even need a keeper.

[aRdja]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-blood-red-podcast-fantastic-11979852

 

A lot of focus on Karius

[Cij]

I dont for one minute think Klopp would bring in a new keeper who was better at something but not up to it in other areas so I cant put any credence on that summation.

In 2014/15 Karius was 9.81% worse than the Bundesliga average for proficiency in claiming crosses. In comparison, Mignolet was an incredible 15.85% worse than the Premier League average for this metric that year. Top flight English teams put 7 more crosses in per game than in Germany. Karius was the fourth worst at claiming crosses in the top 4 European Leagues that year whereas Mignolet was second worst.

 

Those are the Opta Stats and the club undoubtedly considered this information before stumping up for Karius. The 'eye test' so far backs up the numbers. Karius is a better keeper than Mignolet in virtually every measurable facet of the game but he absolutely does not have a pedigree as an aerially dominant keeper. That does not mean he is not a bargain at £4.7m or a potentially excellent fit for the way we want to play. Improved sweeping and shot stopping will see us concede less goals and he distributes far quicker which will create more chances on the counter. I'd imagine that is the edge the club are looking for him to provide.

[jimmycase]

In 2014/15 Karius was 9.81% worse than the Bundesliga average for proficiency in claiming crosses. In comparison, Mignolet was an incredible 15.85% worse than the Premier League average for this metric that year. Top flight English teams put 7 more crosses in per game than in Germany. Karius was the fourth worst at claiming crosses in the top 4 European Leagues that year whereas Mignolet was second worst.

 

Those are the Opta Stats and the club undoubtedly considered this information before stumping up for Karius. The 'eye test' so far backs up the numbers. Karius is a better keeper than Mignolet in virtually every measurable facet of the game but he absolutely does not have a pedigree as an aerially dominant keeper. That does not mean he is not a bargain at £4.7m or a potentially excellent fit for the way we want to play. Improved sweeping and shot stopping will see us concede less goals and he distributes far quicker which will create more chances on the counter. I'd imagine that is the edge the club are looking for him to provide.

 

Bit basic comparing percentages on crosses in the Bundesliga to the English game in my opinion. Yeah a cross is a cross and all that but Im not convinced the bundesliga has big strapping centre forwards or centre backs rushing the keeper the way they do in the prem.

 

As I said, I cant believe Klopp would sign a keeper who was seen to be materially worse in some aspects ie crosses, than his current incumbent but better at standing outside his box ready to play the sweeper. Id wager he was thinking the lad was better all round than mignolet.

 

We'll see. I still maintain Karius does not look confident or comfortable right now and, with a big game against the mancs coming up, that gives Klopp something serious to ponder. When the likes of Aldo is also raising the question, its clearly something others have spotted and considered too.

 

Id be ok if Karius was actually commanding his area and making the odd fuck up but staying rooted to his line for what have been some routine claims leaves a big question mark.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://basstunedtored.com/2016/05/25/loris-karius-stats-review/

 

The above link makes it clear that Karius is an excellent shot stopper who has a history of being passive on crosses but makes very few mistakes. Other sources tell us he is quick to sweep behind the back line and is good with his feet. That is the profile of keeper we opted for and it is clear he was not bought for his "command of the box". 

 

Mignolet's saves to shots ratio for the past two seasons was one of the worst in the league. He is also reluctant to sweep, made more errors than any other keeper, and is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet. The knock on effect is that we conceded far more goals than we should have given the poor quality of chances afforded to our opponents, our pressing game was hampered due to our inability to play a higher line given the risk of space in behind, and we were more susceptible to pressing by the opposition or dropping points due to clangers. 

 

Karius was bought to address most of these issues but he isn't perfect and crosses are currently his Achilles heel. Perhaps we hope that his handling will improve with the right coaching / experience? Maybe the plan is to offer him protection through a zonal marking system and aerially-aggressive defenders?

 

What i do know is that Klopp felt his gifts outweighed his vulnerabilities in our desired system. Karius is what he is and if that is good enough for Klopp in the long run then it is good enough for me. In the fullness of time the stats will show he is a significant upgrade on Migs.

Agree that.

 

He's had a couple of wobbles that haven't actually cost us anything.  Of all the different aspects of a keeper's game, I can't think of one where I would honestly say that Mignolet is better than what I've already seen from a kid in his first three games in a new league after a long period with no football.  The way he came so far out of his area to dispossess Darren Bent has been the highlight of three matches in which he hasn't really had that much to do.  I'm reasonably confident he'll grow into a decent goalkeeper.

[TheHowieLama]

blah blah blah Karius was 9.81% worse blah blah blahbla blah bla blah  Mignolet was an incredible 15.85% worse blah blah blahblah bla bla blah blah Karius was the fourth worst blah blah bla bla blah Mignolet was second worst.

 

 

So Karius is twice as good then?

[Lario]

I like when G Richards posts.

 

Rock of sense.

[an tha]

We can't keep chopping and changing.

 

Playing Mig against the mancs unless Karius is injured would be wrong for me.

[Russ Atmosphere]

I would only drop him for the tall Serbian lad. Mignolet can fuck right off.

[Dr Nowt]

It's a bit out there and almost a foreign concept but let's give the guy a bit of a chance eh. The evolution into x-factor judge style fans can be stopped if we choose to do so. Take a chance. Make a change.

I'm out. Can someone escort this cunt offstage, yeah?

[G Richards]

I like when G Richards posts.

Rock of sense.

Thanks Lario, my old pal!

[G Richards]

We can't keep chopping and changing.

Playing Mig against the mancs unless Karius is injured would be wrong for me.

100% agree.

 

We know what Mignolet can do. He's a nice bloke and all that, but we've seen him for three years now, and he hasn't made the goalkeeping jersey his own.

 

We're at the start of giving another fella the job. He needs to play more games so we can see if he's going to be the right man for us for the long term. There will be mistakes along the way, as that is part of the job, but having bought him and put him in, chopping and changing is not the answer.

 

Barring a complete meltdown, I'd give Karius the rest of the season to show us what he can do. Mignolet can play the cups to keep sharp.

 

If we chop and change then we effectively say, "We're trying to see who the best no.2 is, but we still need to go back into the market to get a proper no.1."

 

Karius should play. For a while yet. And we are going to need to cool down and back him - even through a mistake or two along the way - in order to see what we have.

[Carvalho Diablo]

I think we're well set at our goalie position for the next decade with Karius and Danny Ward. And both will only get better.

[Cij]

So Karius is twice as good then?

Yes, Karius has performed significantly better on crosses than Mignolet and is miles better in other areas. I am more than happy with the upgrade Karius offers and believe he will settle into the team soon.

 

Hopefully his adjustment won't be made more difficult by people expecting him to be something he is not. Moaning and groaning in the ground every time he opts not to come for a cross could dent his confidence or pressure him into making rash decisions. Klopp appears to have got every one of our Summer signings spot on. Given he had the vision to incorporate Milner and Wijnaldum the way he did, I am prepared to back his judgment on Karius and not benchmark his performances against the style of keeper I expected us to sign.

[Tony Moanero]

Loris Turdius

[VladimirIlyich]

In 2014/15 Karius was 9.81% worse than the Bundesliga average for proficiency in claiming crosses. In comparison, Mignolet was an incredible 15.85% worse than the Premier League average for this metric that year. Top flight English teams put 7 more crosses in per game than in Germany. Karius was the fourth worst at claiming crosses in the top 4 European Leagues that year whereas Mignolet was second worst.

 

Those are the Opta Stats and the club undoubtedly considered this information before stumping up for Karius. The 'eye test' so far backs up the numbers. Karius is a better keeper than Mignolet in virtually every measurable facet of the game but he absolutely does not have a pedigree as an aerially dominant keeper. That does not mean he is not a bargain at £4.7m or a potentially excellent fit for the way we want to play. Improved sweeping and shot stopping will see us concede less goals and he distributes far quicker which will create more chances on the counter. I'd imagine that is the edge the club are looking for him to provide.

Who is an 'an aerial dominant' keeper in todays game? I barely see any due to how much the ball moves and how often they use a new ball to try and create more goals. It seems the best keepers are the ones who make the best decisions by either letting their defenders deal with crosses or punching the ball more often when they do. Reina's most successful period with us was when he became comfortable with punching crosses instead of trying to catch them. This would be Karius best approach too,in my view.

[Hades]

If he wasn't so pretty people would be giving him all sorts. Classic example of the Halo Effect. 

[ZonkoVille77]

He's fuckin shite

[Paulie Dangerously]

Flapius

Dropius

Can't carryus

[VladimirIlyich]

Flapius

Dropius

Can't carryus

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Unbeaten-ius.

[aRdja]

He isn't very good with crosses is he? I hope Achtenberg will sort it out sharpish.