Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[Anubis]

Then there'll be a counter revolution. I'll drive round to Rico's house in a combine harvester with CCCP written on the side, steal all his garden furniture and give it to some smackheads to inject into their thumbs.

 

My 15th Badger Commando Unit are already set up to move on Rico's house as soon as the word is given.

[Section_31]

My 15th Badger Commando Unit are already set up to move on Rico's house as soon as the word is given.

I envy SD's collection of Steve Irwin VHS videos and will distribute them at gunpoint to the proletariat.

[dennis tooth]

aYE CAPITLASM is fashist like the crazy gang

[dennis tooth]

Sorry to break it tyooz snoozahzz

[Bjornebye]

But early for parrafin isn't it Dennis?

[dennis tooth]

Punch people in their face just for livinG. 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

But early for parrafin isn't it Dennis?

It's still last week for Dennis.

[Scooby Dudek]

Does anyone know the amount of money our government wasted going to the European court to defend bankers bonuses??? 

[KMD7]

Sorry, "lived there for decades" isn't an argument so far as I'm concerned. If a rich banker loses his job and can't afford the mortgage on his duplex apartment in Mayfair, then he has to move to something less salubrious. The same applies to most of us who currently have a mortgage too.

 

Nobody has a divine right to live where they currently live in perpetuity, and I struggle to see any moral argument why those in subsidised social housing should be spared from the same pressures that those who actually earn money and pay their way have to put up with.

 

 

Most people in council housing pay rent. I know tonnes of people in council houses most of who work and don't claim, they just had kids young or whatever and put their names down for a council house and have remained there its their home their community and they probably can't afford to buy. I don't believe people should be forced to move because they have the cheek to have spare rooms. When I was a kid my Nan's coucil house was the centre hub all family congregated there. These days she would be in a one bedroom flat the minute her kids moved out and take turns visiting family members, it's no way to build a community anyway or keep family's together which the tories always bang on about family values.. It's all bullshit council houses aren't a production line, their houses for life if needs be. They need to build more houses, infact they need to somehow get a grip on the whole bastard market, couples who are both working are struggling to afford to buy a house. The bedroom tax or whatever you want to call it is a disgrace. It's needs to be abolished.

 

Bobby wins.

[VladimirIlyich]

One of the problems with the current system and why its so easy to attack benefit claimants is that because the wealthy are not paying their share, the burden is falling onto the average person. These people themselves are also claiming benefits as their wages are so poor that they need in work benefits merely to get by.

Billions of public money is being taken out or not paid in to start with and the likes of the nhs,schools and large public funded projects are grinding to a halt.

The money is here in this country but the cabal of obscenely rich individuals and corporations are rigging the game in their favour.

All this could easily change but nobody has the balls to do it,usually because they are being funded by the same people.

[SilverSong]

One of the problems with the current system and why its so easy to attack benefit claimants is that because the wealthy are not paying their share, the burden is falling onto the average person. These people themselves are also claiming benefits as their wages are so poor that they need in work benefits merely to get by.

Billions of public money is being taken out or not paid in to start with and the likes of the nhs,schools and large public funded projects are grinding to a halt.

The money is here in this country but the cabal of obscenely rich individuals and corporations are rigging the game in their favour.

All this could easily change but nobody has the balls to do it,usually because they are being funded by the same people.

Nail head hit

[Stu Monty]

So you'll be arguing that when Mr Banker loses his job, the state should stump up the cost of his exceedingly expensive mortgage so he can remain in his well-off community?

 

Thought not.

 

This is why you get talked to like a cunt. 

 

Because you consistently act like one.

[Section_31]

If the Lib Dems enter a coalition with Labour in May, I suspect the nature of these threads will change considerably.

[Stu Monty]

If the Lib Dems enter a coalition with Labour in May, I suspect the nature of these threads will change considerably.

 

As the tone would have changed if Labour had accepted the Lib Dem offer of a coalition instead of brushing off the idea.

 

It's a bizarre situation. The Emperor's clothes in reverse. He's telling everyone to look at his lovely robe and that if he lays it on thick enough with what he sees as very clever use of words then we'll all suddenly see a gown.

 

Instead of him just standing there with his cock out.

 

Telling us it isn't.

[Strontium]

It's this 'lives off others' thing that shows your contempt. It's dripping from every word you type on the subject, like bitter poison from a snake's fang. It's Daily Mail thinking.

 

Say what? Stating that someone is living off other people is not contempt, it's just a fact. If I wanted to show contempt I'd be mining phrases from Ayn Rand and using terms like "parasite", which I'm clearly not doing.

 

Certainly, it's a fact that some like to ignore, because their worldview demands that they see other people's money as the state's to do with what it pleases. In stark contrast to those of us who believe the money that the state half inches from its citizens should be used in the most efficient, most fair way possible, because the state has an obligation not just to the people who need its help, but to the people who generate that wealth in the first place.

 

I typed a long reply but fundamentally I think I see people on benefits quite differently than you. I see hard working people, I see sick people, I see people out of work through no fault of their own but have paid in previously, I see temporary help for the majority of claimants. You see scratch-card-scratching, chain smoking scroungers. It's no wonder our morality takes us to different perspectives.

 

You are bang wrong NV.

 

What I see is the whole spectrum, from hard workers to scroungers, because people on benefits, like every other conceivable group of people, run the gamut from the worthy to the worthless.

 

My point is that it doesn't matter what I or you or anyone thinks of people on benefits. That is immaterial to our moral obligation to treat them with humanity.

[Strontium]

This is why you get talked to like a cunt. 

 

Because you consistently act like one.

 

Don't dodge the question, answer it. Does a rich banker who loses his job and cannot afford to pay his mortgage deserve to remain in his community, or is that a luxury only available to those living off the state?

 

Own your words you sodding coward.

[Section_31]

Will be class if there's a coalition in place and Labour go full socialist. They'll create a super council which spans the whole planet and does everything for everyone, from emptying their bins to tickling their balls, at least a third of the workforce will be allowed to go to sleep in the office at any one time and it will all be funded by Peaches Geldoff's kids' trust fund, SD will be on here saying 'what do you expect the state to do, let people tickle their own balls? Spare me your pseudo-Tea Party dogma Stu you wretch.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Don't dodge the question, answer it.

 

Own your words you sodding coward.

Pissing myself laughing at these two sentences from you.

 

Hypocritical to say the least.

[Stu Monty]

Don't dodge the question, answer it. Does a rich banker who loses his job and cannot afford to pay his mortgage deserve to remain in his community, or is that a luxury only available to those living off the state?

 

Own your words you sodding coward.

 

You're a troll SD. You really are. You set up false equivalence on the term community, knowingly. You then have the cheek to call me a coward after spending the last few days deliberately not commenting on the EDM because you haven't got the courage to make a call on whether you think it's important enough for the Lib Dems to sign it, in case they then don't and you've criticized them. You're a paper tiger mate and you have driven yourself to the point where you are now a poster of almost no merit whatsoever with regards to politics. You are critically compromised.

 

A rich banker has the right not to be moved miles away from his family and friends. That is the stability he has a right to. He has a right to a suitable property. It may well be a little less flash than he's been used to but there we go. 

 

He also has the right to have a spare room in case he needs a carer, or his kids need to come home.  

 

He doesn't have the right to still live in a mansion, he deserves to be looked after and treated as a human being by a nation with more than enough wealth to do so.

 

You are no doubt aware of this stance, because there are prominent Lib Dems saying the same things, but obviously acting like a cunt to is far more fun.

 

Only an idiot would think moving a family between two houses of similar low value and the state having to take on a mansion and keep someone there were the same thing. You're not an idiot. You're just dishonest.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

A rich banker isn't the problem of the state. He is, after all, rich. It's a shamenif he loses his job and isnforcednto downsize from his 7 bed mansion to a five bed luxury townhouse. Still, I think he will manage.

 

The issue is that he and his friends caused such a fuck up that the poorest are having to pay for it. If morality is being brought into it, my morals mean I have to show more compassion for those getting fucked than with those doing the fucking.

[Section_31]

I always think the banker stuff is a bit of a red herring anyway, surely the wider issue is the way profit and wealth is harvested and concentrated in one place.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Say what? Stating that someone is living off other people is not contempt, it's just a fact.

Judging from information you've shared on here before, I pay an order of magnitude more tax than you and I have done for a really long time. I've asked for very little from the state; my bins emptied, a couple of trips to the hospital, and education for my child. If I lost my job, through no fault of my own but as a consequence of errors made by others, would I be living off you? Of course not. I've paid enough into the system to have a safety net should I need it. You chose to see it as others living off of you. I chose to see it as contributing to a system that helps me when I fall. That helps others to get on their feet and can then pay into the system in the future. It's a contemptuous way to look at people, in my view.

[Stu Monty]

Judging from information you've shared on here before, I pay an order of magnitude more tax than you and I have done for a really long time. I've asked for very little from the state; my bins emptied, a couple of trips to the hospital, and education for my child. If I lost my job, through no fault of my own but as a consequence of errors made by others, would I be living off you? Of course not. I've paid enough into the system to have a safety net should I need it. You chose to see it as others living off of you. I chose to see it as contributing to a system that helps me when I fall. That helps others to get on their feet and can then pay into the system in the future. It's a contemptuous way to look at people, in my view.

 

Love the person put forward as not living off people was a banker.

 

You know, who had to have their failures bailed out because "please don't send us to the wall...please!"

 

Everybody lives of everybody else in some way. It's not a particularly insightful use of language.

[dennis tooth]

Don't dodge the question, answer it. Does a rich banker who loses his job and cannot afford to pay his mortgage deserve to remain in his community, or is that a luxury only available to those living off the state?

 

Own your words you sodding coward.

 

 

Ah, the problem you have here is rich bankers dont pay into the system given their money is offshored!

 

They havnt the tax contribution payments to qualify id have thought.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Love the person put forward as not living off people was a banker.

Good point.