Rafa Transfer FACTS....

[ThePositiveOne]

Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club

 

There appears to be a trend growing amongst media outlets, “expert” pundits, and rival supporters who ensure a negative air surrounds Liverpool Football Club and more commonly its manager, Rafa Benitez. It seems he can do no right in the eyes of some people—his own supporters included—and more false claims appear every week that serve only to derail him from his aims. As more and more newspapers churn out sensational headline after headline and television pundits spout opinion as fact; the more people are brainwashed by these stories. Many lazy debaters claim their opinion to be fact or truth whilst they simply recycle misleading newspaper propaganda as their own knowledge or belief. Biased supporters who choose to jump on the slander bandwagon when it involves a rival team are common place, and this only adds to the ever-growing ideology of a story perceived as fact.

 

One such myth which seems to have appeared recently has been the same tired line about Rafa Benitez and his transfers since his time at Liverpool.

 

You will hear people claiming things like:

 

“A larger proportion of Rafa's signings have been expensive and poor.”

 

This does of course depend on how a person interprets the words expensive and poor—the latter obviously being down to their personal opinion of a player.

 

For example if someone wants to use the barometer of anything over a million pounds to be expensive and any player other than Messi or Ronaldo is considered poor; then anyone will struggle to argue against that logic—me included.

 

We can address the “expensive” part of the argument first:

 

(Numbers in brackets are players still at the club)

 

£20-30+ million: 1 (1)

 

Torres

 

£10-20 million: 4 (3)

 

Mascherano, Keane, Babel, Alonso

 

£5-10 million: 14 (9)

 

Dossenna, Riera, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Benayoun, Leiva, Kuyt, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Morientes, Garcia

 

£0-5 million: 47 (36)

 

Degan, Cavelieri, Ngog, Plessis, Insua, Leto, Itandje, Voronin, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio, Palletta, Fowler, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, Zenden, Gonzalez, Carson, Pellegrino, Josemi, Martin, Antwi, Hobbs, Miki Roque, Gulacsi, Padelli, Anderson, Poloskei, Crowther, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Nemeth, Pacheco, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez.

 

It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive” signings. Especially when you consider that 49 of his 66 signings are still at the club and the selling on fee cannot yet be determined.

 

 

 

Here are some more comments and claims made about Rafael Benitez:

 

“He has bought 53 players for £190 million and sold 56 for £108 million, clearly a loss of £82 million proves he doesn’t have a clue in the transfer market.”

 

I think the easiest way to explain this would be to just show you a full rundown of Rafael Benitez’ signings since he joined Liverpool in June 2004:

 

Players bought in by Benitez: 66

 

Players still at the club: 49

 

First Team: 18

 

Alonso, Reina, Agger, Aurélio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres, Itandje, Benayoun, Babel, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, Ngog, Riera.

 

Reserve Team: 22

 

El Zhar, Insúa, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Crowther, Poloskei

 

Out on Loan: 9

 

Andriy Voronin, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, David Martin, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Miki Roque, Peter Gulacsi, Paul Anderson

 

A figure of 49 players bought by Rafa are still playing for the club with the majority (22) bought as youth players for the reserve team—with the idea for future revenue if they perform to their potential. It will also save the club a great deal of money if they turn out to be superstars worth a large transfer fee.

 

From that 49 figure, there are 18 still playing for the first team and contributing on a very large scale with the majority of them being priced by many as a greater figure than when the players were initially bought by Rafa.

 

From the nine players out on loan, only two are established players with the other seven being young reserve players gaining experience at other clubs—with the hope of either returning to Liverpool’s first team or making a profit to invest in future transfers.

 

 

 

Players Sold On by Benitez: 56

 

Players Bought by Other Managers and Sold on by Benitez: 39

 

Players Bought and Sold on by Rafa Benitez: 17

 

 

 

For me, this is the key point from which poorly informed debaters’ opinions collapse. Most propaganda articles or rival supporters will wildly claim that Rafa has sold "56" players and made little money in return.

 

They claim the “majority” of the "56" players the Liverpool manager has sold on have been at a loss and “proves” his failings in the transfer market. This is such a misleading statement to make that I really don’t know how people can still get away with it.

 

For starters, Benitez has sold 39 players bought by other Liverpool managers.

 

Benitez cannot be held accountable for selling a player at a loss when Benitez was not the one who identified the player as a target in the first place or sanctioned the over-inflated transfer fee.

 

You can only really judge him on the players he has bought and sold since he has been at the club and this brings the true figure down to just 17 players.

 

 

 

Profit: 7

 

Carson +2.25, Barragan +0.43, Sissoko +2.6, Crouch +4.0, Gonzalez +2.0, Bellamy +1.5, Nunez +0.5

 

Loss: 6

 

Garcia -2.0, Morientes -3.3, Palletta -0.8, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp -0.25, Idrizaj -0.19, Keane -3.0 (could be even less depending on contract triggers)

 

Even: 4

 

Pellegrino, Zenden, Fowler, Padelli (all four players were brought in and moved on for a free transfer)

 

 

 

So the true extent of Rafa’s failings in the transfer market is just six players from 17, coming with a loss of just under £10 million within four and a half years—the most expensive loss being just £3.3 million; nothing like the losses achieved by other established Premier League managers.

 

Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated.

 

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[thredworm]

Don't confuse people with truths and stats, it's not what they want. Clearly Rafa is a complete tool who doesn't know how to sign a decent player. I think he should go immediately and we can get Phil Brown in when Hull sack him.

 

Can't wait.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

[Antynwa]

Myth?

 

Fuck off

[Unrighteous]

Dirk cost £10m. You've put him in the wrong bracket.

[Red Nick]

[Original202]

 

Yawn.

 

I thought the idea was to win things?

[Red-Ed]

Good post - I think anyone that tries to belittle the facts or the trouble you have gone to are showing themselves up.

[Unrighteous]

 

Yawn.

 

I thought the idea was to win things?

 

Not according to Rafa.

[Brownie]

I stopped reading when I noticed you omitted Aquilani.

[Herp McDerp]

It's an old article/post, Alonso and Arbeloa still listed as 'at the club'.

[Red Nick]

The reality is here that a majority of fans would want Rafa out if we had different owners.

 

You know when you have posters such as Zigactly at the end of there tether things have gone bad and may get worse.

 

Rafa has my support only because of the owners we have as soon as the owners have gone I would want Rafa gone.

[Brownie]

It's an old article.

 

Yeah, no Aquilani or Johnson and Voronin listed as being out on loan.

 

If you're going to make a point, at least use up-to-date information.

[goatboy59]

Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club | Bleacher Report

 

March.

[Carlos Durninio]

Has there been a migration of obnoxious twats from RAWK. I recognise a few names.

[Herp McDerp]

Has there been a migration of obnoxious twats from RAWK. I recognise a few names.

 

Hmm... Lets see

 

Carlos Durninio

Join date -Oct 2009

Obnoxious - Check

Twat - Well...

[zigackly]

Nice straw men.

 

But I don't see people deriding Rafa for signing expensive players or making a net loss on transfers.

 

So what was your point again?

[Carlos Durninio]

I might be obnoxious but at least I don't hide behind childish insults and try and force my uber positive views on to others like some fundamentalist loon.

 

Thanks for that neg by the way. Does abusing people from the safety of your basement give you a much needed self esteem boost?

[ThePositiveOne]

Sorry the link does not work....

[ThePositiveOne]

Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club | Bleacher Report

[Herp McDerp]

I might be obnoxious but at least I don't hide behind childish insults and try and force my uber positive views on to others like some fundamentalist loon.

 

Thanks for that neg by the way. Does abusing people from the safety of your basement give you a much needed self esteem boost?

Right...

If he wasn't fit he shouldn't have been involved at all. It's just another example of the manager and his staff's scatty, over scientific approach.

 

All this wacky stuff about wages and budgets is all part of the denial process. Some fans cling to the image they've created of these managers and players instead of facing the reality. We haven't become a bad team overnight, we still have a core of top quality players, so you have to be practical and accept that the manager just isn't working anymore.

 

If I thought for a minute that success was guaranteed if Rafa had more money to spend then I'd agree with some of these wildly simplistic views, but it isn't. His methods are fundamentally flawed in this country.

 

Top sides, and we still are, don't lose this many games in such a short space of time if the players still believe in their manager. I doubt any other than Kuyt would be that disapointed if he left, especially if someone of quality came in who knew how to treat them like people and not robots.

 

Haha, spot on about everything bar Kuyt. The donkey was subbed late on.

 

Patronising tosh to give yourself a big superiority boner. For a start I don't read the tabloids or listen to any pundit, on sky or otherwise. Do you think people are just coming up with these views on a whim? This is his sixth season not his first and the 'analysis' about the same fundamental flaws have worn thin.

 

Oh, and and me uber-positive? Are you on crack? I just don't see the point of stuffing my head up my arse and flinging shit in every direction whenever something goes wrong.

[ThePositiveOne]

Hostile in here.....(6)

[Vulmea]

Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club

 

Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated.

 

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Its a good effort but it ignores the fact that most fans aint interested in facts

 

they form their own 'opinions' normally based not on what they see or what they are told but what they think should be

 

those who have already made their mind up on a player or a manager wont bother reading it and nobody on the internet is allowed to change their mind or admit they fucked up especially if your under 20 its like an unwritten law

 

The numbers dont stack up for me because they dont include a lot of the kids closer to 50 of those alone even so compared to our academy his policy of buying in kids at 16/17/18 has been more productive than our academy.

[Benitaur]

Dirk cost £10m. You've put him in the wrong bracket.

 

£9m actually. I remember because I loaned Moores the 500 quid he was short for the transfer

[Unrighteous]

£9m actually. I remember because I loaned Moores the 500 quid he was short for the transfer

 

:no