Monarchy

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Tough at the top. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/20/king-charles-to-receive-huge-pay-rise-from-uk-taxpayers

 

 

Worth every penny!!!!!

[Bobby Hundreds]

Get rid!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 17/07/2023 at 21:46, Strontium said:

I'd be happy to see the monarchy replaced, but my issue is and always has been with the institution and not the individuals involved. Some seem motivated by personal animosity for the royals.

 

Crucially, I also believe that if you're going to abolish something, you should have a pretty good idea of what you're going to replace it with. 

 

On 17/07/2023 at 22:14, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What do they do that you think needs replacing?

@Strontium?

[KMD7]

I'd have absolutely no problem meeting Kate.

[dandyman]

1 hour ago, KMD7 said:

I'd have absolutely no problem dry bumming Kate.

You’re welcome 

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

@Strontium?

 

You've asked before and I've answered before, you don't think we need a republican head of state, in which case I look forward to your criticisms of France, Ireland etc

[halewood pete]

[halewood pete]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 23/07/2023 at 14:25, Strontium said:

 

You've asked before and I've answered before, you don't think we need a republican head of state, in which case I look forward to your criticisms of France, Ireland etc

If you have answered, I must have missed it.

 

France, Ireland, etc. have different electoral systems where different people have different powers.  That's not relevant to the question.

 

The question is - what is it that the UK monarchy does that you think would need to be replaced? 

My view is that what they do is

• own the Crown Estate and take a 25% cut; without even changing the management (because the monarchy adds nothing to that) we cut take them out of the picture and keep all of the revenue

• ceremonial shit; the Prime Minister, as Head of Government, can attend the fancy dinners; Ant & Dec can do all the unveiling and ribbon cutting. (On a personal note, I have very little memory of the time Elizabeth II officially opened Runcorn Shopping City; I was much more impressed when Kevin Keegan officially opened Tesco in the Shoppo.)

• interfering in politics; just no.  Nobody should get to do what they do.

 

I'm not being snarky or argumentative.  I genuinely want to hear some well-reasoned argument that I've missed something.  (I used to think that the monarch should be replaced with someone elected; I've only recently come round to the idea of binning them off altogether, and a part of me still thinks "it can't be that simple, can it?")

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If you have answered, I must have missed it.

 

France, Ireland, etc. have different electoral systems where different people have different powers.  That's not relevant to the question.

 

Of course it's relevant. The President of Ireland has "powers" akin to that of the British monarch, which is hardly surprising since the one essentially supplanted the other. Presidents of Germany, Austria etc barely have any powers either and are similarly apolitical. I don't see why we couldn't have a system like that.

[Section_31]

Why do we need a president at all? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Of course it's relevant. The President of Ireland has "powers" akin to that of the British monarch, which is hardly surprising since the one essentially supplanted the other. Presidents of Germany, Austria etc barely have any powers either and are similarly apolitical. I don't see why we couldn't have a system like that.

The Irish President has powers relating to the Constitution; the UK doesn't have a constitution.  If you want to talk about fundamentally changing the governance of the country, I'd be all for it - I think democracy would be a good idea.  But on the narrow issue of the Monarchy, I reckon they could disappear tomorrow and not be missed.

[Carradona]

22 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Of course it's relevant. The President of Ireland has "powers" akin to that of the British monarch, which is hardly surprising since the one essentially supplanted the other. Presidents of Germany, Austria etc barely have any powers either and are similarly apolitical. I don't see why we couldn't have a system like that.

The President of Ireland is elected by the public every seven years. They cannot be compared to the monarchy.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Carradona said:

The President of Ireland is elected by the public every seven years. They cannot be compared to the monarchy.

 

They can when you're comparing the similar powers they hold. Like what I did.

[Arniepie]

38 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If you have answered, I must have missed it.

 

France, Ireland, etc. have different electoral systems where different people have different powers.  That's not relevant to the question.

 

The question is - what is it that the UK monarchy does that you think would need to be replaced? 

My view is that what they do is

• own the Crown Estate and take a 25% cut; without even changing the management (because the monarchy adds nothing to that) we cut take them out of the picture and keep all of the revenue

• ceremonial shit; the Prime Minister, as Head of Government, can attend the fancy dinners; Ant & Dec can do all the unveiling and ribbon cutting. (On a personal note, I have very little memory of the time Elizabeth II officially opened Runcorn Shopping City; I was much more impressed when Kevin Keegan officially opened Tesco in the Shoppo.)

• interfering in politics; just no.  Nobody should get to do what they do.

 

I'm not being snarky or argumentative.  I genuinely want to hear some well-reasoned argument that I've missed something.  (I used to think that the monarch should be replaced with someone elected; I've only recently come round to the idea of binning them off altogether, and a part of me still thinks "it can't be that simple, can it?")

i was arguing with someone on twitter who doesnt consider the royals more important than him,but would call the king.his highness.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Carradona said:

The President of Ireland is elected by the public every seven years. They cannot be compared to the monarchy.

What do you make of the President's powers?  Does he exercise formal political power much (as opposed to just ceremonial malarkey)?  Does the position of President give him informal influence over the Dail/Taoiseach? (Apologies if the spelling is shit.)

 

And did he ever forgive the Saw Doctors for that song?

[TheHowieLama]

A family who has held irreversible power for generations has similar powers to a fella who is elected every seven years?

 

What are you smoking over there?

[Strontium]

32 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

A family who has held irreversible power for generations has similar powers to a fella who is elected every seven years?

 

What are you smoking over there?

 

A ceremonial figurehead is a ceremonial figurehead, regardless of whether they're elected or not.

 

Hope this helps.

[Arniepie]

Just now, Strontium said:

 

A ceremonial figurehead is a ceremonial figurehead, regardless of whether they're elected or not.

 

Hope this helps.

i think the big difference is the voting out bit

[Strontium]

Just now, Arniepie said:

i think the big difference is the voting out bit

 

And if I was commenting on the differences rather than the copious similarities, then that would obviously be the first stop.

[TheHowieLama]

So, they are sort of the same - if you squint.

[Bjornebye]

When's the next Royal election? Might vote for Meghan to piss the racists off 

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

When's the next Royal election? Might vote for Meghan to piss on me.

I'd vote for that too.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The question is - what is it that the UK monarchy does that you think would need to be replaced? 

 

Sorry to harp on, Stronts, but...

[VladimirIlyich]

If the Monarchy has no political influence or power then they wouldn't need to be replaced,surely Shirley?