Tory Cabinet Thread

[sir roger]

ha ha , be back to rep

[sir roger]

From The Guardian

 

Thousands of additional care workers are to be recruited from abroad to fill chronic gaps in the workforce, the government has announced after figures showed more than 40,000 social care staff had left the sector over the past six months.

Immigration rules will be relaxed for care workers, care assistants and home care workers, who will be added to the Home Office’s shortage occupation list.

The Department of Health and Social Care said the pandemic had brought unprecedented challenges. The change follows a recommendation from the Migration Advisory Committee, which said there were “severe and increasing difficulties faced by the care sector”.

 

C' mon , was it really just caused by the pandemic ?

Is there anything else that might have been involved here ?

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, sir roger said:

From The Guardian

 

Thousands of additional care workers are to be recruited from abroad to fill chronic gaps in the workforce, the government has announced after figures showed more than 40,000 social care staff had left the sector over the past six months.

Immigration rules will be relaxed for care workers, care assistants and home care workers, who will be added to the Home Office’s shortage occupation list.

The Department of Health and Social Care said the pandemic had brought unprecedented challenges. The change follows a recommendation from the Migration Advisory Committee, which said there were “severe and increasing difficulties faced by the care sector”.

 

C' mon , was it really just caused by the pandemic ?

Is there anything else that might have been involved here ?

No it wasn't, Brexit has thankfully shone a light on workers who for decades have been ignored and taken for granted.

 

This should be an open goal for the Labour Party and unions to stand by care home staff, reject the influx of cheap labour and push for better pay and conditions for those who are now working within the sector, its not the lack of workers that's the problem, its lack of decent pay in an industry that has grown accustomed to making huge profits without giving fair rewards for staff doing an important and difficult job.

[Arniepie]

38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

No it wasn't, Brexit has thankfully shone a light on workers who for decades have been ignored and taken for granted.

 

This should be an open goal for the Labour Party and unions to stand by care home staff, reject the influx of cheap labour and push for better pay and conditions for those who are now working within the sector, its not the lack of workers that's the problem, its lack of decent pay in an industry that has grown accustomed to making huge profits without giving fair rewards for staff doing an important and difficult job.

Doesnt the piece by sir roger saying we are going to recruit staff from oversees?

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

From The Guardian

 

Thousands of additional care workers are to be recruited from abroad to fill chronic gaps in the workforce, the government has announced after figures showed more than 40,000 social care staff had left the sector over the past six months.

Immigration rules will be relaxed for care workers, care assistants and home care workers, who will be added to the Home Office’s shortage occupation list.

The Department of Health and Social Care said the pandemic had brought unprecedented challenges. The change follows a recommendation from the Migration Advisory Committee, which said there were “severe and increasing difficulties faced by the care sector”.

 

C' mon , was it really just caused by the pandemic ?

Is there anything else that might have been involved here ?

I'm sure its a total coincidence thst we have made many foreign workers uncomfortable working in the country,and we now have shortage. 

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

Imagine that reducing workers' rights is a vote winner with so many Tories and it's something you're happy to tweet. Insane.

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

Imagine that reducing workers' rights is a vote winner with so many Tories and it's something you're happy to tweet. Insane.

Tbf during a pandemic surely the last thing we need is more people who keep the country functioning?

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I'm sure its a total coincidence thst we have made many foreign workers uncomfortable working in the country,and we now have shortage. 

It's not a total coincidence that as Brexit has changed the worker/employer pendulum more workers are telling bosses paying low wages to go fuck themselves.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

It's not a total coincidence that as Brexit has changed the worker/employer pendulum more workers are telling bosses paying low wages to go fuck themselves.

So you think people who were happy to keep working for years when the market was full of EU workers are now quitting their jobs because their pay is low? That doesn't seem very likely does it? Their pay has been low for as long as I can remember and they didn't quit. Staff shortages because of Brexit and covid have made the job unbearable and we're unable to back fill because we don't have the people to do so. 

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

So you think people who were happy to keep working for years when the market was full of EU workers are now quitting their jobs because their pay is low? That doesn't seem very likely does it? Their pay has been low for as long as I can remember and they didn't quit. Staff shortages because of Brexit and covid have made the job unbearable and we're unable to back fill because we don't have the people to do so. 

A lot of workers are chosing other jobs because of available choice, others have had a lifestyle re evaluation and are either not bothering at all or have chosen to work part time. Don't you think care home workers hold a greater hand in the worker/employer relationship now than before Brexit? Of course they do, the fact we're even discussing the value of low paid workers is a hugh plus.

 

 

Edit; why would a Labour supporter help out bosses of an industry that has treated its employees so dreadfully. You surely wouldn't agree with outside labour crossing a picket line?

 

https://www.carehome.co.uk/news/amp/article/id/1653050/care-workers-underpaid-7k-per-annum

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A lot of workers are chosing other jobs because of available choice, others have had a lifestyle re evaluation and are either not bothering at all or have chosen to work part time. Don't you think care home workers hold a greater hand in the worker/employer relationship now than before Brexit? Of course they do, the fact we're even discussing the value of low paid workers is a hugh plus.

Is say the issue of low pay in.the care sector has probally come about because the work they do has been put into perspective by the pandemic, rather than.some workers rights revolution led by those champions of the working man.

Boris johnson,Jacob  Reece mogg and nigel Farage 

[Barrington Womble]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A lot of workers are chosing other jobs because of available choice, others have had a lifestyle re evaluation and are either not bothering at all or have chosen to work part time. Don't you think care home workers hold a greater hand in the worker/employer relationship now than before Brexit? Of course they do, the fact we're even discussing the value of low paid workers is a hugh plus.

But they're not holding any hand if they're fucking off the quitting, because they've left the table. If they're going to an industry that'll pay them more, fair fucks to them. But there's no evidence of what they're doing and it doesn't seem very likely that they've gone to do something else thinking "that'll teach them, I'll be back in 12 months when they double the pay". Once they're gone, they're gone and if you think anyone gives a fuck in government or healthcare, you're kidding yourself. The only people suffering from this are the people in care and their families. 

[Gnasher]

28 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

But they're not holding any hand if they're fucking off the quitting, because they've left the table. If they're going to an industry that'll pay them more, fair fucks to them. But there's no evidence of what they're doing and it doesn't seem very likely that they've gone to do something else thinking "that'll teach them, I'll be back in 12 months when they double the pay". Once they're gone, they're gone and if you think anyone gives a fuck in government or healthcare, you're kidding yourself. The only people suffering from this are the people in care and their families. 

 

31 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Is say the issue of low pay in.the care sector has probally come about because the work they do has been put into perspective by the pandemic, rather than.some workers rights revolution led by those champions of the working man.

Boris johnson,Jacob  Reece mogg and nigel Farage 

I agree, the pandemic has shone a light on the value of low paid workers, they were taken for granted and not paid anywhere near their worths, its where we run with it is the issue now. 

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I agree, the pandemic has shone a light on the value of low paid workers, they were taken for granted and not paid anywhere near their worths, its where we run with it is the issue now. 

With this lot in charge. It's a given. We'll just carry on as we are and then they'll bring in cheap labour from abroad with the idea "well at least we control who comes here". And the wages will stay low. You're kidding yourself if you think the object of Brexit was to improve the lives and earnings of the lowest paid in society. It was to create opportunity for the Tories and their cronies to become richer. 

[Gnasher]

33 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

But they're not holding any hand if they're fucking off the quitting,

I asked if the people currently working in care homes hold a stronger hand now in the employee/employer relationship since Brexit, with staff shortages and wages now on the front pages the answer must undoubtedly yes they do 

33 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

because they've left the table. If they're going to an industry that'll pay them more, fair fucks to them. But there's no evidence of what they're doing and it doesn't seem very likely that they've gone to do something else thinking "that'll teach them, I'll be back in 12 months when they double the pay". Once they're gone, they're gone and if you think anyone gives a fuck in government or healthcare, you're kidding yourself. The only people suffering from this are the people in care and their families. 

 

You left out employers, lack of staff hurts employers, the usually way to fix the problem of staff shortages is to offer better wages and increase working conditions. As for your veiw of staff shortages not affecting government I think you're mistaken, it won't take long before we see a full blown crisis.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

With this lot in charge. It's a given. We'll just carry on as we are and then they'll bring in cheap labour from abroad with the idea "well at least we control who comes here". And the wages will stay low. You're kidding yourself if you think the object of Brexit was to improve the lives and earnings of the lowest paid in society. It was to create opportunity for the Tories and their cronies to become richer. 

I've never said "the object" of Brexit was to improve lives.

 

Anyway it'd be wrong to clog up this thread with Brexit so I'll leave it there.

 

Edit; have a great Christmas Barrington.

[Arniepie]

18 hours ago, sir roger said:

From The Guardian

 

Thousands of additional care workers are to be recruited from abroad to fill chronic gaps in the workforce, the government has announced after figures showed more than 40,000 social care staff had left the sector over the past six months.

Immigration rules will be relaxed for care workers, care assistants and home care workers, who will be added to the Home Office’s shortage occupation list.

The Department of Health and Social Care said the pandemic had brought unprecedented challenges. The change follows a recommendation from the Migration Advisory Committee, which said there were “severe and increasing difficulties faced by the care sector”.

 

C' mon , was it really just caused by the pandemic ?

Is there anything else that might have been involved here ?

One of the driving forces of brexit was there are too many foreign workers here.

Stories like this simply confirm that this was yet another falsehood.

That cunt was banging on at the conference about high wage jobs,and whilst where there have been supply chain issues, drivers etc., greater wages have been used as an incentive, unless I'm very much mistaken,this has not happened in the care sector.

Care work is hard work,long ages and shitty pay,and made 10 times worse by the pandemic  and I see no evidence of johnsons claim as we are once again recruiting staff from overseas.

[Harry's Lad]

21 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

One of the driving forces of brexit was there are too many foreign workers here.

Stories like this simply confirm that this was yet another falsehood.

That cunt was banging on at the conference about high wage jobs,and whilst where there have been supply chain issues, drivers etc., greater wages have been used as an incentive, unless I'm very much mistaken,this has not happened in the care sector.

Care work is hard work,long ages and shitty pay,and made 10 times worse by the pandemic  and I see no evidence of johnsons claim as we are once again recruiting staff from overseas.

It hasn't. 

The Girl who lives opposite us was saying last week that the only increase they've seen is the workload because of staff off sick or leaving altogether because they've had enough.

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, Harry's Lad said:

It hasn't. 

The Girl who lives opposite us was saying last week that the only increase they've seen is the workload because of staff off sick or leaving altogether because they've had enough.

Meanwhile the owners of these homes continue to charge the same rates with lowered costs because they've less staff to pay, so it's win-win for them. Who said there was no good to be had from Brexit? 

[Anubis]

This shameless gobshite limited who could reply to her self-aggrandising tweet. Horrible, horrible creature.

 

 

 

[Anubis]

I hold the foodbank culpable there as well. They should have told her that they are there because of her government and that she should fuck off.

[Section_31]

The reason the care sector is fucked is because it's underfunded, the reason it's undefunded is because it's undervalued, and that's because the Tories crafted a culture of 'no such thing as society' and every man for themselves. A capitalist society views the elderly and vulnerable as an unnecessary expense, useless breathers. What do you expect such a culture's care system to look like?

[Rushies tash]

43 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The reason the care sector is fucked is because it's underfunded, the reason it's undefunded is because it's undervalued, and that's because the Tories crafted a culture of 'no such thing as society' and every man for themselves. A capitalist society views the elderly and vulnerable as an unnecessary expense, useless breathers. What do you expect such a culture's care system to look like?

Many other countries and cultures also actually value their elderly population and live in extended families (to a point). We seem to see them as a burden, or in extreme examples, squatters occupying a multi million pound asset.

[littletedwest]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The reason the care sector is fucked is because it's underfunded, the reason it's undefunded is because it's undervalued, and that's because the Tories crafted a culture of 'no such thing as society' and every man for themselves. A capitalist society views the elderly and vulnerable as an unnecessary expense, useless breathers. What do you expect such a culture's care system to look like?

Is it underfunded though? Not defending the tories at all btw. But my dad was in a care home he had minimal needs until he got cancer.

It was paid by the council, they then asked him to pay 150 a week on top. It was adding up to about 850 quid a week for him. Then they pay the staff minimum wage for a really tough job

[Bjornebye]

Didn’t she vote against free school meals ? Isn’t her voting record completely despicable? These horrible fucking vultures pretending to give a shit are worse than the ones who shrug and be honest about it. Tory twats fuck them 

[Captain Howdy]

My dad had a massive stroke in 2004 and needed pretty much around the clock care until his death earlier this year. He never had a pot to piss in. Despite the complete donkeys arse the NHS made of his initial treatment  the quality of his care after the event was top notch and never skipped a beat in 17 years. I’m a massive believer in speaking as you find.  Be careful what you wish for.