May calls General Election on 8 June

[Moctezuma]

In addition to the above the young have observed the following as a product of managerialism politics (New Labour)/The Conservatives so say if you were born in the early nineties you would have been cognisant of the following even if you weren't that politically engaged.

 

• The disaster that was the Iraq war and the lies told to enable that to happen
• Torture practiced by the British state
• Intervention in Libya that has left the country the province of warlords and fiefdoms
• Starving of Public services
• Terrorist attacks that are linked to the above points
• The Economic crash of 2007/8 and its ramifications including the implementation of austerity politics (links into an above point)
• The utter disappointment of the Lib Dems with regards their reneging of the promise on tuition fees
• Being removed from the European Union against the majority of their wishes
• Nobody selling them a positive vision of the future for ages
• Withdrawal of the Educational Maintenance Allowance
• A job market that mainly offers temporary and low paid work
• Acuteness of the housing crisis becoming more keenly felt in more cities throughout the country
• A lack of spending on large scale infrastructure outwith some Olympic and Commonwealth games stadiums (that since have been managed poorly/in a corrupt manner)

 

 

Given that crucible is it any wonder that they are turning to an alternative form of politics?

[ben48]

Uncredited...

 

An explanation from the young to the old:

 

There have been some interesting comments since the election. A recurring theme is the notion that the young have voted for the policies of Jeremy Corbyn (and other left-wing parties) because they have been promised unicorns and rainbows. In essence, many commentators in their 40s and older have suggested that the young want a socialist utopia, and voted for people who promised to give it to them.

 

Old people, we did not vote for utopia. We voted to get what you had when you were our age.

 

When you were young, further and higher education were free, and grants were available to support students while they studied. Now there are no grants, and we must take out loans to pay tutition fees.

 

When you were young, housing was affordable, and those who couldn't afford housing could rent houses at reasonable rates from the local council. Now the UK has a housing bubble, rents are increasingly unaffordable, and the idea of ever affording a house is a pipedream for many.

 

When you were young (up until the election of Margaret Thatcher), top tax rates were over 80% and the NHS was well funded. Now the top tax rate is 45%, and necessary services like the NHS are being underfunded.

 

I could go on. The simple truth is we did not vote for utopia, we voted for a return to the sensible social and taxation policies that used to exist in the UK.

 

When I said this to my (much older) brother, he scoffed and said "You don't remember what it was like when things were nationalised. You had to wait a week to get a telephone installed. The trains were late and crowded." He said it as though those things are not just as true today, the only difference being that now we pay much more money to private companies for roughly the same thing. The state used to own the phones and the trains, and profits from them went to pay for the public good. Now Virgin does, and profits go to Richard Branson.

 

The truth that young people have woken up to is simple. Having benefited from all the social development put in place by their parents, many among the elderly then voted to tear it all up. They did this piece by piece, and every step of the way they got something for nothing.

 

They voted to stop paying for grants and free education, they voted for right to buy and bought their council houses, they voted for tax cuts. They voted to benefit themselves at the expense of the people who would come after them. And they were encouraged to do this by politicians whose friends and donors owned the private businesses that profited whenever part of the state was sold off.

 

Young people have realised this. We looked at what the old used to have, and we think something quite obvious:

"If you could do it back then, why can't we do it now?"

We are not starry-eyed idiots. We know our history. We refuse to accept that this is the best we can do, because we know what you once enjoyed.

 

And in your heart, I think you know we're not wrong'

That is a brilliant post lad,absolutely spot on.Just to explain,I am 68 years old so I can say that I've seen a bit.I joined the aeu as it was then when I started my apprenticeship and I'm retired but still in the union,I fought the cops in Grosvenor square over the Vietnam war,countless and marches,stood on the picket lines through the 70s and 80s,fought the bastard Thatcher any way that I could.I was just beginning to despair that the youth of today had given up, that there really was no such thing as society,as that bastard was so fond of saying.But then came the election and the youth have fought back,It has lifted me no end.Get Corbyn in and screw the greedy counts once and for all.Re nationalsize with no compensation,the've had enough out of us,claim the country back and don't let it go,good on ya.

[Neil G]

There would definitely be an element of Turkey's voting for Christmas about it, but if the Conservatives think it may enable them to gerrymander victories in the future (which I think I saw a yougov report undermine recently) they'll go for it. They must sit there an salivate at what the republicans have been up to in the states with it.

They were all set to do it until May called the election, but now they've lost their majority they're really not in a position to piss MPs off to that extent. Tory MPs will put up with a lot if they think it will help them get re-elected, but if they're set to lose their jobs they'll kick off big time as they have nothing to lose.

[Neil G]

Old people, we did not vote for utopia. We voted to get what you had when you were our age.

Killer line. Needs to be memorised by every Labour MP, member and supporter.

[thegreatelephant]

I get the feeling we're on the verge of some serious civil unrest with it all. The terror attacks, the fire, compounded by the feeling this government now feels less than completely legitimate and a PM that seems to be losing popularity by the second.

 

yeah, and you can also bet your arse that someone caught nicking a bottle of water during the last riots will serve more jail time than the slags involved in this latest corporate manslaughter

[thegreatelephant]

That is a brilliant post lad,absolutely spot on.Just to explain,I am 68 years old so I can say that I've seen a bit.I joined the aeu as it was then when I started my apprenticeship and I'm retired but still in the union,I fought the cops in Grosvenor square over the Vietnam war,countless and marches,stood on the picket lines through the 70s and 80s,fought the bastard Thatcher any way that I could.I was just beginning to despair that the youth of today had given up, that there really was no such thing as society,as that bastard was so fond of saying.But then came the election and the youth have fought back,It has lifted me no end.Get Corbyn in and screw the greedy counts once and for all.Re nationalsize with no compensation,the've had enough out of us,claim the country back and don't let it go,good on ya.

 

speaking from personal experience, formerly militant acting blokes who would walk out over tea breaks in the '70s started bending over when their affordable houses were paid for in the '90s. they'd got their fucking bit and couldn't give a fuck about the younger people coming into the Engineering industry, which i previously worked in, down the line.

 

had to accept shit pay deals they'd routinely wave through in the vote and eroded work conditions they would never have put up with in the past. also the pension schemes they'd also enjoyed for 20 odd years being ended etc. would also walk round acting like complete and utter arrogant, unhelpful, insufferable cocks. the kind of twats who eat with their arm round their dinner.

 

mind you, this is all coming from a town that has never had a non Tory MP. not principled areas of the country to be admired such as Liverpool.

[Boss]

I get the feeling we're on the verge of some serious civil unrest with it all. The terror attacks, the fire, compounded by the feeling this government now feels less than completely legitimate and a PM that seems to be losing popularity by the second.

 

There's always civil unrest when the Tories are in power. It escalates directly in proportion to how long they're in power. We're in the middle of the biggest redistribution of wealth from the poor to the upper classes since Victorian times. At least under Thatcher we got punk and songs like Ghost Town. Now we've got Justin Beiber and Niall Horan while our future gets stolen from underneath us.

 

[stringvest]

I get the feeling we're on the verge of some serious civil unrest with it all. The terror attacks, the fire, compounded by the feeling this government now feels less than completely legitimate and a PM that seems to be losing popularity by the second.

 

 

well, if there are going to be any riots, we're coming into the season for them

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I'm guessing it's becoming a pressure cooker situation in the UK at the moment, especially in London. 

[andymc]

Uncredited...

An explanation from the young to the old:

There have been some interesting comments since the election. A recurring theme is the notion that the young have voted for the policies of Jeremy Corbyn (and other left-wing parties) because they have been promised unicorns and rainbows. In essence, many commentators in their 40s and older have suggested that the young want a socialist utopia, and voted for people who promised to give it to them.

Old people, we did not vote for utopia. We voted to get what you had when you were our age.

When you were young, further and higher education were free, and grants were available to support students while they studied. Now there are no grants, and we must take out loans to pay tutition fees.

When you were young, housing was affordable, and those who couldn't afford housing could rent houses at reasonable rates from the local council. Now the UK has a housing bubble, rents are increasingly unaffordable, and the idea of ever affording a house is a pipedream for many.

When you were young (up until the election of Margaret Thatcher), top tax rates were over 80% and the NHS was well funded. Now the top tax rate is 45%, and necessary services like the NHS are being underfunded.

I could go on. The simple truth is we did not vote for utopia, we voted for a return to the sensible social and taxation policies that used to exist in the UK.

When I said this to my (much older) brother, he scoffed and said "You don't remember what it was like when things were nationalised. You had to wait a week to get a telephone installed. The trains were late and crowded." He said it as though those things are not just as true today, the only difference being that now we pay much more money to private companies for roughly the same thing. The state used to own the phones and the trains, and profits from them went to pay for the public good. Now Virgin does, and profits go to Richard Branson.

The truth that young people have woken up to is simple. Having benefited from all the social development put in place by their parents, many among the elderly then voted to tear it all up. They did this piece by piece, and every step of the way they got something for nothing.

They voted to stop paying for grants and free education, they voted for right to buy and bought their council houses, they voted for tax cuts. They voted to benefit themselves at the expense of the people who would come after them. And they were encouraged to do this by politicians whose friends and donors owned the private businesses that profited whenever part of the state was sold off.

Young people have realised this. We looked at what the old used to have, and we think something quite obvious:

"If you could do it back then, why can't we do it now?"

We are not starry-eyed idiots. We know our history. We refuse to accept that this is the best we can do, because we know what you once enjoyed.

And in your heart, I think you know we're not wrong'

Brilliant post that, spot on!

[magicrat]

Does anyone else get the impression that we could be just days away from a May resignation. She is just losing the plot on every front and for someone so obviously scared shitless when having to interact with people outside her circle she looks about to crack up, Was there anything so far from the truth as Theresa May, strong and stable. The woman is a basket case and totally unsuited to holding any position of responsibility let alone PM.  She also strikes me as thick as pigshit to boot.

[Anny Road]

Does anyone else get the impression that we could be just days away from a May resignation. She is just losing the plot on every front and for someone so obviously scared shitless when having to interact with people outside her circle she looks about to crack up, Was there anything so far from the truth as Theresa May, strong and stable. The woman is a basket case and totally unsuited to holding any position of responsibility let alone PM.  She also strikes me as thick as pigshit to boot.

It has been obvious for a while but she is on the ropes now. If I was in the DUP I would want nothing to do with her.

[PestiRed]

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[magicrat]

It has been obvious for a while but she is on the ropes now. If I was in the DUP I would want nothing to do with her.

 

Definitely it was if not when after she fucked up the election but I thought initially the "when" might be months down the road. I think she is becoming so toxic she will jump or be pushed very soon, Always assuming she doesn't get arrested running out of No !0 wearing nothing but a tea cosy .  

[ben48]

speaking from personal experience, formerly militant acting blokes who would walk out over tea breaks in the '70s started bending over when their affordable houses were paid for in the '90s. they'd got their fucking bit and couldn't give a fuck about the younger people coming into the Engineering industry, which i previously worked in, down the line.

 

had to accept shit pay deals they'd routinely wave through in the vote and eroded work conditions they would never have put up with in the past. also the pension schemes they'd also enjoyed for 20 odd years being ended etc. would also walk round acting like complete and utter arrogant, unhelpful, insufferable cocks. the kind of twats who eat with their arm round their dinner.

 

mind you, this is all coming from a town that has never had a non Tory MP. not principled areas of the country to be admired such as Liverpool.

Yes mate a lot of what you say is true,the I'm alright Jack brigade,a hell of a lot of them ended up voting Tory.Any working man that votes Tory is kidding himself.I can honestly say that I have never voted with a "what's in it for me," agenda.An accumulation of Thatcher,Murdoch and the greed is good thing waved through the country and we were regarded as dinosaurs.But the youngsters now are really beginning to get clued up,long may they continue.

[VladimirIlyich]

That is a brilliant post lad,absolutely spot on.Just to explain,I am 68 years old so I can say that I've seen a bit.I joined the aeu as it was then when I started my apprenticeship and I'm retired but still in the union,I fought the cops in Grosvenor square over the Vietnam war,countless and marches,stood on the picket lines through the 70s and 80s,fought the bastard Thatcher any way that I could.I was just beginning to despair that the youth of today had given up, that there really was no such thing as society,as that bastard was so fond of saying.But then came the election and the youth have fought back,It has lifted me no end.Get Corbyn in and screw the greedy counts once and for all.Re nationalsize with no compensation,the've had enough out of us,claim the country back and don't let it go,good on ya.

Good post yourself Ben. I too am really pleased with how the younger generation have finally woken up to the situation and I hope they continue to hammer the point home until these shower od bastards are out of office.

[Kidder Bukowski]

Just returned from holiday after ten days away and what a fucking ten days to miss. We were six Labour postal voters and I was gutted to miss the last polling days before the election as I would definitely have been out canvassing. 

 

I was particularly proud of the Liverpool region providing 4 of the top 5 biggest Labour majorities.

 

Had murder in the bar of the gaff we were staying in with people from Yorkshire and London who were aggressively Tory (but most of whom were unsure why) and danced around them in the bar on the Friday. Fuckers were singing God save the queen before the England Scotland game and I was made up with the family and a couple of Mancs who booed them.

 

I really believe we'll win next time out.

[Rico1304]

More anti-labour bias on BBC 2 now, how do they get away with it?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Does anyone else get the impression that we could be just days away from a May resignation. She is just losing the plot on every front and for someone so obviously scared shitless when having to interact with people outside her circle she looks about to crack up, Was there anything so far from the truth as Theresa May, strong and stable. The woman is a basket case and totally unsuited to holding any position of responsibility let alone PM.  She also strikes me as thick as pigshit to boot.

 

She's lucky they didn't crucify her when she left that Church. bet you she wasn't praying for the victims, probably praying for her career which is going down the pan, the vile fucking bitch. 

[Rico1304]

She's lucky they didn't crucify her when she left that Church. bet you she wasn't praying for the victims, probably praying for her career which is going down the pan, the vile fucking bitch.

 

Yes, exactly what you've said.

[Red Phoenix]

[sir roger]

Theresa May looks exhausted to me , she looks like she has aged five years since she became PM. The job is devilishly difficult even if the incumbent has impeccable political instincts, but when you lack that it becomes almost impossible. I initially thought she would be PM at least until the Tory conference in the Autumn, but if her performance and ratings continue to decline you wonder how long her party will let it drag on.

[magicrat]

She's lucky they didn't crucify her when she left that Church. bet you she wasn't praying for the victims, probably praying for her career which is going down the pan, the vile fucking bitch. 

 

I think she has a massive insecurity issue when she is unscripted or having to deal with strangers with no protocol to follow. Its almost like shes having a panic attack when you see the odd glimpses of her cornered , The body language says it all ; she does that Phil Jones face and completely tenses up , spouts some shite soundbite like "whats really important" then runs away, She needs to fuck off out of politics and join a convent.

[Carvalho Diablo]

Theresa May looks exhausted to me , she looks like she has aged five years since she became PM. The job is devilishly difficult even if the incumbent has impeccable political instincts, but when you lack that it becomes almost impossible. I initially thought she would be PM at least until the Tory conference in the Autumn, but if her performance and ratings continue to decline you wonder how long her party will let it drag on.

She's like a shitting dog.

[magicrat]

She's like a shitting dog.

With Gove running behind her with a poo bag