May calls General Election on 8 June

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Far too nice for a Tory

And now she's made a cunnilingus joke!

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Far too nice for a Tory

My thoughts exactly.

[FanchesterCity]

And now she's made a cunnilingus joke!

 

She's far too nice for cunnilingus... wait, ignore that, nobody's too nice for that!

[VladimirIlyich]

Get Labour on board and let's have PR, then.

 

I think you'll be waiting a long time.

You had your chance to change it but sold out with some bastardised version.

I also think that a lot of us Labour voters could influence party policy if brought to the fore of manifesto pledges. This is the question ordinary people should always ask before an election 'Which party's policies can I possibly affect?' As most people don't have articulated lorries full of cash the answer should never be 'The tories.'

[REDTALISKER]

She said she received a “categoric assurance” from the prime minister that an arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP would see “absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK."

 

Anyone else read that as but they can run riot with their bigotry in NI?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Baroness Warsi is actually coming across quite well.

 

I thought so to, but she is not a career politician in her own words. Hopefully she does bring the stuff to the table as she promised. She also said that a coalition with the DUP would cause more long term damage than it was worth. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

 

It was another party/org spanking the DUP like. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[eeyore]

Have you ever bought something over the Internet from the USA or Canada or Japan or somewhere like that? If so, you probably got slapped with 20% import VAT and an £8 handling charge.

 

However you don't get fucked through the arse if you buy stuff from Europe, and that's because they're in a common market with us. It's exactly the same as buying stuff from the shop round the corner.

 

The single market means you can pop over to Calais, load your van up with enough booze to give Keith Richards pause for thought, and bring it all home without anyone batting an eyelid.

 

The single market also means that when you've finally had enough of this rain-sodden shithole, you can go and live and work elsewhere in Europe without needing a visa or anyone's permission, making it just as easy to have a fresh start in Halkidiki or Cannes as Halewood or Crosby.

 

Hard Brexit means leaving the EU AND the single market. Hello import taxes, goodbye freedom to live and work abroad.

 

Soft Brexit means leaving the EU, but staying in the EU common market. We would cease to be a member of the EU, but - like Norway, and Iceland, and Switzerland - we would still enjoy most of the benefits of membership. We would still be free to come and go as we please, and we could still buy stuff from the continent without worrying about paying a load of extra fees. More or less business as usual.

I still don't think any of the stupid cunts in this country who voted to leave would understand this explanation

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I still don't think any of the stupid cunts in this country who voted to leave would understand this explanation

There were plenty of Brexiteers during the Referendum campaign who were arguing precisely that we would stay in the Single/Common Market - after all (they said) that's what people voted for in 1975,  before the EU started to make all our laws, etc.

[FanchesterCity]

There were plenty of Brexiteers during the Referendum campaign who were arguing precisely that we would stay in the Single/Common Market - after all (they said) that's what people voted for in 1975,  before the EU started to make all our laws, etc.

 

Well, they don't make all our laws, but we are ultimately subject to their authority (not that we have always upheld their decisions).

But we should also bear in mind that some of the laws they have made have been beneficial. Common regulations for safety, workers rights, equality, human rights and more.

It's a mixed bag, yes, there is good and bad, but most of the remainers believe the positives outweigh the negatives.

Now we're going to go it alone with a workforce that's considered to be less productive than some of our European counterparts, and with a trade imbalance with Europe where we import more than we export. That may change in time, but as things stand right now, and admittedly it's a personal opinion, but the UK and Europe need each other, but we need them more than they need us.

[eeyore]

There were plenty of Brexiteers during the Referendum campaign who were arguing precisely that we would stay in the Single/Common Market - after all (they said) that's what people voted for in 1975, before the EU started to make all our laws, etc.

You sound like one of them stupid cunts

[The Golden Eel]

She's not getting at that - it's more pointing out who the Tories are getting into bed with and the onus on the Tories to try and influence the DUP over equality / gay rights. Of course May will 'assure her', but the DUP's not going to budge any more than the Tories would - certainly not on such a fundamental issue. It's going to be a real kick in the teeth for pro-abortion / gay rights Conservatives. Ruth Davidson is a leading Tory light, and now May will have brassed her off too...

 

Yes, I see where you're coming from. How Tory voters (and their reps) would view it is a question I've been thinking about because usually no one gives the slightest fuck about what parties in Northern Ireland think/do. 

[Bjornebye]

You sound like one of them stupid cunts

He didn't say he said it so wind your neck in

[FanchesterCity]

Yes, I see where you're coming from. How Tory voters (and their reps) would view it is a question I've been thinking about because usually no one gives the slightest fuck about what parties in Northern Ireland think/do. 

 

Generally, I'd agree, they don't care... until now. Now, everybody's searching for DUP information and the press will (without doubt) start probing the differences between the DUP and Tory Party, and how 'compatible' the two can be.

 

As Sinn Fein is to the IRA, the DUP is to the Unionists. It's hard not to recognise their past links with paramilitary organisations. That's no to say they are not now a legitimate party seeking to sustain peace, merely that it's hard to criticise Corbyn and his 'alleged' support of Sinn Fein (which I can't find conclusive evidence of). Sinn Fein, in some instances stand for some fundamental issues that we in the rest of the UK disagree with, and that's not easy to reconcile. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

[Guest Pistonbroke]

[Bjornebye]

It's not the IRA anyone should fear. It's the splinter groups who will use this as an excuse.

[FanchesterCity]

 

I'm not questioning any of the above, but I am mindful that I've seen similar stuff about Corbyn, and it's all too easy to accept they are true - when they might not be.

That's not a criticism in any way whatsoever, I'm just always wary of these hatchet jobs / lists in the media. But, if it makes people go and research for themselves, all the better.

[FanchesterCity]

It's very hard for us to be brokers between the DUP and Sinn Fein when we in bed with one of those parties. That said, we're already 'aligned' to the DUP as Unionists I suppose.

 

We = Great Britain.

[The Golden Eel]

 

My perspective on the following:

 

Wells - deserves any criticism levelled at him, except that he's a strong advocate of animal welfare at odds with his party in general.

 

Paisley Jnr - undoubtedly a tit in the past, seems to have mellowed since his dad died, spoke well of Martin McGuiness on his passing.

 

Pengelly - pretty sure her dad wasn't convicted but he has undeniable links to Ulster Resistance. That was the 80s though, doesn't mean that, in 2017, she should be tarred by association.

 

Iris Robinson - hasn't been seen or heard from since the incident above, for good reason.

 

Givan - that stuff about Ashers bakery, I know several moderate nationalists who agree with that view. In general, a smug twat.

 

Campbell - the worst of the worst. nothing good to say about him.

 

Wilson - loud-mouthed attention seeker, doesn't believe in climate change, but I'm pretty sure he does that of his own volition and that this "climate change deniers" angle is a bit misleading.

 

Poots - unlikeable guy who has nothing positive to offer.

 

Girvan - just an idiot really.

 

Buchanan - another idiot, albeit a nastier one than Girvan. Once heard him describe people who have abortions as "murderers".

 

Storey - a much more affable type of fundamentalist, but still an idiot.

 

Dodds - don't see the big issue with him attending the funeral of a UVF member in the 80s tbh but in general, a fairly unlikeable hardliner. 

[Bjornebye]

Would have been boss if Martin McGuiness was still.alive and him and Corbyn shared the shit. Neg Awway.

[Rico1304]

My perspective on the following:

 

Wells - deserves any criticism levelled at him, except that he's a strong advocate of animal welfare at odds with his party in general.

 

Paisley Jnr - undoubtedly a tit in the past, seems to have mellowed since his dad died, spoke well of Martin McGuiness on his passing.

 

Pengelly - pretty sure her dad wasn't convicted but he has undeniable links to Ulster Resistance. That was the 80s though, doesn't mean that, in 2017, she should be tarred by association.

 

Iris Robinson - hasn't been seen or heard from since the incident above, for good reason.

 

Givan - that stuff about Ashers bakery, I know several moderate nationalists who agree with that view. In general, a smug twat.

 

Campbell - the worst of the worst. nothing good to say about him.

 

Wilson - loud-mouthed attention seeker, doesn't believe in climate change, but I'm pretty sure he does that of his own volition and that this "climate change deniers" angle is a bit misleading.

 

Poots - unlikeable guy who has nothing positive to offer.

 

Girvan - just an idiot really.

 

Buchanan - another idiot, albeit a nastier one than Girvan. Once heard him describe people who have abortions as "murderers".

 

Storey - a much more affable type of fundamentalist, but still an idiot.

 

Dodds - don't see the big issue with him attending the funeral of a UVF member in the 80s tbh but in general, a fairly unlikeable hardliner.

Very fair.

 

The problem with attacking this kind of religious fundamentalism is that if you don't like it in the DUP, you can't ignore it elsewhere.

[kop77]

[Anubis]

Very fair.

 

The problem with attacking this kind of religious fundamentalism is that if you don't like it in the DUP, you can't ignore it elsewhere.

 

Equally, if you attack it elsewhere, you must attack it in the DUP? Yes?