Qatar World Cup decision could be based on backhanders claims shocking report

[Baltar]

FIFA is crooked to the core. Qatar will be found innocent of any wrongdoing and allowed to host the tournament. Or if the bidding process starts again, they will win it again. 

[Anubis]

That Jack Warner looks like one dodgy corrupt twat, bet he has more secret bank accounts than Harry Redknapp, Gary Barlow and Jimmy Carr combined.

 

Well his dogs do, at any rate.

 

I have to love the British press with their fantasy of  re-run of the 2022 race. As if. Quatar has spent a shitload of money on stadia and with a cost of hundreds of workers lives. Get real, it's staying in Quatar.

[Captain]

The vote was corrupted?

 

Fuck me.

[magicrat]

Well his dogs do, at any rate.

 

I have to love the British press with their fantasy of  re-run of the 2022 race. As if. Quatar has spent a shitload of money on stadia and with a cost of hundreds of workers lives. Get real, it's staying in Quatar.

I agree with a lot of your posts but I think you could be wrong on this one.

Qatar has been punching well above its weight in the Middle East and its financial backing of the Brotherhood in Egypt has backfired badly and it doesn't have the friends it had at the time of the vote. 

I just don't see Blatter being able to brush this one under the carpet with so many political leaders already getting excited about it all . In fact I think ultimately Blatter will fall over this too. For me the more interesting dimension is what happens over the Russian 2018 stitch up.

[PestiRed]

You're all confused, Sepp Blatter is the saviour of modern football and FIFA are great.

 

Here, watch this £15m FIFA funded movie in which our hero is played by Tim Roth and clearly risks his own life to stop the baddies taking over football. That should set you straight

 

[Stu Monty]

I don't get why people are saying Blatter won't be able to brush it under the carpet, why would you think he'd want to.

 

Platini is tied to Qatar. Platini is the most direct challenge to his power.

[magicrat]

I don't get why people are saying Blatter won't be able to brush it under the carpet, why would you think he'd want to.

 

Platini is tied to Qatar. Platini is the most direct challenge to his power.

Its not credible imo that the fall out from this stops at Platini's door .

[PestiRed]

Supposedly, Blatter didn't want the Qatar bid. He could use this to bury his opponents and then give his usual "I can't control the Exco" speech. Nothing touches Blatter directly ever.

[Malarkey]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/sports/soccer/fixed-matches-cast-shadow-over-world-cup.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

 

It's a nothing game. But you'd be fucking furious if you had a tenner on it.

[magicrat]

Supposedly, Blatter didn't want the Qatar bid. He could use this to bury his opponents and then give his usual "I can't control the Exco" speech. Nothing touches Blatter directly ever.

if this blows up ,as it seems it will , he won't be able to hide. He won't be directly involved but he will have known  

[PestiRed]

if this blows up ,as it seems it will , he won't be able to hide. He won't be directly involved but he will have known

Proven beyond dispute that he knew about the MSL corruption and did nothing, even covered it up for his friends. Couldn't be touched for that either

 

Blatter is untouchable until he pisses off enough of the world football authorities and he also ensures that never happens

[xerxes]

Well his dogs do, at any rate.

 

I have to love the British press with their fantasy of  re-run of the 2022 race. As if. Qatar has spent a shitload of money on stadia and with a cost of hundreds of workers lives. Get real, it's staying in Qatar.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't, and if in doubt do nothing.

 

Another problem is that the votes were for two World Cups, with Qatar counterbalancing Russia. Remove one, and there could be calls for a rerun of the other.

 

It is a horrible mess. There is no, and was no, case for Qatar to be handed the WC

[stringvest]

Tell that to all these Jack Warner and all these Africans who have had money paid into their personal bank accounts.  That report in the Sunday Times was comical in terms of the scale and the brass neck that the Africans showed in asking for money.  And then when they'd spend it, asking for more.  

[Russ Atmosphere]

Britain should have nothing to do with Fifa and Blatter's "inner family". It should refuse to participate in venue bidding and withdraw from Fifa unless Blatter goes and his organisation is reconstructed.

 

 

Cleanse Fifa of corruption by leaving it, not playing along

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/03/fifa-sepp-blatter-britain-football

[Stu Monty]

Its not credible imo that the fall out from this stops at Platini's door .

 

It is very much credible to say that this brings Platini down as Blatter goes over it like an annoying speedbump in his journey.

 

Platini's lad works for Qatar. The French president has been involved in the process of making sure Platini is helping Qatar.

 

This is about the presidency; with the added bonus of giving Blatter a massive gift of the World Cup to give to people who back him up when he knifes Qatar.

[Cardie]

Despite the wrongdoings part of me roots for the likes of FIFA and Qatar and Brazil over all these issues mainly driven by the caterwauling from the English press.

 

More specifically aimed at Brazil where they seem to take great delight in unfinished stadiums and any deaths. The construction of Wembley was hardly a picnic.

 

As for Qatar (workers conditions and human rights issues aside) fundamentally there's nothing wrong with holding a world cup in a developing football country and Fifa should make it a more formal part of the bidding process rotating the bidding to different areas of the world each four years as an official mandate if nothing else it'd stop the press whinging about the injustice for another 16 to 20 years.

 

 

[index1000]

Despite the wrongdoings part of me roots for the likes of FIFA and Qatar and Brazil over all these issues mainly driven by the caterwauling from the English press.

 

More specifically aimed at Brazil where they seem to take great delight in unfinished stadiums and any deaths. The construction of Wembley was hardly a picnic.

 

As for Qatar (workers conditions and human rights issues aside) fundamentally there's nothing wrong with holding a world cup in a developing football country and Fifa should make it a more formal part of the bidding process rotating the bidding to different areas of the world each four years as an official mandate if nothing else it'd stop the press whinging about the injustice for another 16 to 20 years.

yes just that little matter, seriously though why does a country have to spend billions on infrastructure and new stadiums just to put on a few games of fucking football. practically any country with a thriving football culture and strong league could host the event. 

Right now England (or GB if you prefer) France, Germany, Spain, Italy, in Europe, The US, Australia, Japan , Korea, and loads more could hold this competition now.

The only reasons i can see is the inherent, undeniable and rapacious corruption that allows these cunts (FIFA, Politicians, sponsors) to rape billions from the 'winning ' country.

I have no issue with a 'developing football country' holding the world cup if they actually  have developed a support base, a functioning competitive league and actually have some fucking stadiums to play the thing in.

[Russ Atmosphere]

Formula 1's world desert tour runs FIFA close for this kind of thing.

[VladimirIlyich]

The Yanks wanted it as well and I'd not be surprised to see them awarded it 'at the last minute' myself.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

FIFA Questions:

 

1) Do you lack modern stadia?

2) Can the average daily temperature in your country boil a person's brain?

3) Are you an oppressive homophobic state with human rights issues?

 

If you've answered 'Yes" to any of these, please proceed to Question 4

 

4) Do you have a moral complaint with bribery?

[Harry Squatter]

I'd like to see Australia get the World Cup, it would be well organised and at least they would be genuinely arsed about it. I'd love the English press hysteria if England had to play in Cairns or Darwin.

 

England could hold it at short notice but FIFA have already let Russia have the next one and would any other country be allowed to geg in on a rerun of the 2022 bidding?

[Trumo]

Well in Sony for speaking up, but supposing their comments are based on a threat to pull out as one of FIFA's World Cup sponsors, they are pissing into the wind because if they pull out, the likes of Samsung will be ready to jump straight in.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27751265

 

Qatar 2022: Fifa sponsor demands 'appropriate investigation'

 

Fifa is under growing pressure over its controversial decision to award the 2022 World Cup to Qatar.

 

One of its main sponsors, Sony, has called on the governing body to carry out an "appropriate investigation" into claims of wrongdoing during the bidding process.

 

Meanwhile, the Sunday Times has published new allegations based on a leak of millions of secret documents.

 

Qatar were awarded the right to stage the 2022 World Cup in December 2010.

 

The decision has come under increasing scrutiny with Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce saying he would support a re-vote to find a new host if corruption allegations can be proven.

 

Fifa president Sepp Blatter called for time to investigate the issues when he posted a message on his Twitter account which said:  "Never ignoring media reports on ethics allegations in football. But let the Ethics Committee work!"

 

Last week the newspaper alleged that Qatar's former Fifa vice-president Mohamed bin Hammam paid £3m to football officials around the world to help win support for Qatar in the run up to the World Cup vote in December 2010.

 

Now Bin Hammam is facing claims that he used his top level contacts in the Qatari royal family and government to arrange deals and favours to secure the tournament for his country.

 

According to the emails, some of which have been seen by the BBC, Bin Hammam:

*Visited Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin to discuss "bilateral relations" between Russia and Qatar a month before the votes for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

 

*Brokered government level talks for Thailand's Fifa executive Worawi Makudi to push a deal on importing gas from Qatar to Thailand. Makudi told the paper he did not receive a concession for his part in any gas deal.

 

*Invited Germany's former Fifa executive Franz Beckenbauer to Doha just five months after the vote with bosses from an oil and gas shipping firm which was employing him as a consultant. The firm involved says it was exploring possible Qatari investments in the shipping and maritime sector but that no deal ever came from the talks. When approached by the Sunday Times, former German international Beckenbauer declined to comment.

 

*Fixed meetings between nine Fifa executive committee members, including Blatter, with members of the Qatari royal family.

 

*Arranged a meeting between the Qatar bid team and Uefa boss Michel Platini at European football's headquarters in Nyon, near Geneva. Platini, who has openly admitted voting for Qatar, says Bin Hammam did not attend the meeting and insists he has nothing to hide.

 

Qatar's World Cup organising committee reiterated it was confident the bid had been won fairly.

 

In a statement the Supreme Committee said: "There is an on-going investigation into the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bid process, with which we have fully cooperated. Consistent with FIFA's rules we have been asked to refrain from commenting on the investigation and we will comply with that request.

 

"Qatar has won the bid on its merits and we are confident that at the end of the appropriate process, the award of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar will stand."

 

Bin Hammam has declined to comment.

 

However, what the emails appear to demonstrate is that Bin Hammam - banned from football for life in 2012 for his part in another corruption scandal - was indeed working to secure support for the Qatar bid.

 

But while that might be uncomfortable for Qatar and Fifa, it is not clear that he or the bid broke any of the governing body's bidding rules. Fifa executive committee members were not subject to the same restrictions placed on bid officials and all the bidding nations used their heads of state and senior government figures to try and win influence and votes.

 

England's failed bid for the 2018 tournament used Prince William, the president of the FA, and Prime Minister David Cameron throughout the latter stages of their campaign.

 

It is also part and parcel of big sporting bids for countries to use them to try and broker big trade deals.

 

Fifa's chief investigator, the New York lawyer Michael Garcia, must now consider whether to include the latest revelations in his long-running inquiry into the World Cup bids. But he stated last week that he will wind up his investigation early next week before writing and filing his report with Fifa's new adjudicatory chamber in the middle of July.

 

Fifa has confirmed to BBC Sport that Garcia will provide an update in person to delegates from 209 national associations at their annual congress in Brazil next week. It is unclear, at this stage, whether he will speak on the first or second day of the meeting.

 

It is understood that while Bin Hammam's role raises fresh questions about Qatar's campaign, Garcia is unlikely to look too deeply into his actions as he has already been banned by Fifa.

 

Boyce, the UK's Fifa executive committee member, told the BBC that while the last week has been tough, world football's governing body is changing.

 

"Since I joined Fifa's executive committee in 2011 half of the committee has gone," he said.

"Mr Bin Hammam, who there's been a lot of talk about recently, has been banned for life by Fifa and many of these other people mentioned are no longer at Fifa as well.

 

"There are a lot of very good people at Fifa and people who are only interested in furthering the game of football. And obviously Fifa don't get enough credit for what they do around the world."

 

[Fugitive]

Apparently, Fifa and the individual associations are not corrupt and it's all down to Racism.

 

When in doubt....

 

Qatar was chosen as host in December 2010 but corruption claims have prompted Fifa to begin an inquiry.

 

"There is a sort of storm against Fifa relating to the Qatar World Cup," Blatter said. "Sadly there's a great deal of discrimination and racism."

 

Fifa will rule on the validity of the bidding for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups in September or October.

 

At that point, the president of football's world governing body said, the "matter will be closed".

Speaking to African football officials in Sao Paulo, Blatter confirmed that the latest allegations would be discussed at the Fifa Congress on Tuesday and Wednesday.

 

He said Fifa needed to combat "anything that smacks of discrimination and racism".

 

"It really makes me sad," he added.

 

At its general assembly in Sao Paulo, the Confederation of African Football (CAF) condemned what it termed "the repeated, deliberately hateful, defamatory and degrading attacks by some media, notably British, on the image and the integrity of the Confederation of African Football, its president, its members, its member associations and the entire African continent."

 

Caf added that it would urge the executive committee "to file a law suit, if necessary, so that the authors of this smearing and defamatory campaign against African football leaders are brought to book".

 

Qatar overcame competition from Australia, Japan, South Korea and the United States to be named as 2022 hosts.

 

But the bidding process has been hit by a series of corruption claims.

 

American lawyer Michael Garcia is currently involved in an independent investigation into the bidding process and is due to deliver his report to Fifa in mid-July.

 

Blatter, 78, told delegates from the Asian Football Conference that Garcia would also speak at Fifa's congress to update delegates on his inquiry.

Garcia is investigating everyone connected with the bidding process for both the 2018 World Cup, to be staged in Russia, and the 2022 event.

 

Qatar's World Cup organising committee continues to reject claims of wrongdoing and says it is confident the vote was won fairly.

 

[Shabado]

Ridiculous. Undermines the actual racism in football, which Blatter and FIFA continue to do fuck all about.

[Bjornebye]

He is a fucking joke. Using racism to cover the arses of the corrupt cunts that govern fifa. He should be forced to step down

 

 

 

 

Onto a fire