Jordan Henderson - what are you?

[Section_31]

That's a complete myth.

 

Jordan Henderson aims to reward Liverpool's faith and £20m investment | Football | The Guardian

 

The manager, Kenny Dalglish, has indicated that Henderson could be deployed in a variety of positions. "I spoke to the manager and he said he thinks I can play in a few positions. If I could choose I'd probably pick centre-midfield but all I care about is making sure that I'm in the starting XI and playing regular football."

 

Henderson played regularly on the right side of midfield when he broke into the Sunderland team in 2009 at the age of 19 but was then moved to his preferred position in the middle.

 

His performances there in the early part of the 2010-11 season prompted Fabio Capello to draft him into the senior England squad for last November's friendly against France. However, Capello stationed him on the right and Henderson struggled, leading his then-club manager, Steve Bruce, to protest that it had been unfair to cast him into his senior international debut in a position in which he was not fully at ease.

 

 

Bosh

[piscinin]

Jordan Henderson aims to reward Liverpool's faith and £20m investment | Football | The Guardian

 

The manager, Kenny Dalglish, has indicated that Henderson could be deployed in a variety of positions. "I spoke to the manager and he said he thinks I can play in a few positions. If I could choose I'd probably pick centre-midfield but all I care about is making sure that I'm in the starting XI and playing regular football."

 

Henderson played regularly on the right side of midfield when he broke into the Sunderland team in 2009 at the age of 19 but was then moved to his preferred position in the middle.

 

His performances there in the early part of the 2010-11 season prompted Fabio Capello to draft him into the senior England squad for last November's friendly against France. However, Capello stationed him on the right and Henderson struggled, leading his then-club manager, Steve Bruce, to protest that it had been unfair to cast him into his senior international debut in a position in which he was not fully at ease.

 

 

Bosh

 

So managers who win shit, like Dalglish and Capello think he can play in multiple positions. Managers who win fuck all, think he can't. But play him there anyways.

[Section_31]

So managers who win shit, like Dalglish and Capello think he can play in multiple positions. Managers who win fuck all, think he can't. But play him there anyways.

 

He's not being played there out of some master strategy IMO, he's being played there as he's seen as the long term replacement for Gerrard and (a) it'd be stupid to not play him at all because of the amount he cost and (b) we have no recognised right winger anyway.

 

This was interesting I thought, sounds familiar:

 

Gerrard made his Liverpool first-team debut on 29 November 1998 in a match against Blackburn Rovers as a last minute substitute for Vegard Heggem.[10] He made thirteen appearances in his debut season, filling in the midfield position for injured captain Jamie Redknapp[8] and playing on the right wing, but he scarcely contributed in the short on-pitch time he received, due to nervousness affecting his play.[11] Gerrard recalled in a November 2008 interview with The Guardian, "I was out of position and out of my depth." The Liverpool hierarchy nonetheless remained convinced that he would improve.[11] Gerrard saw himself as a defensive player primarily, looking to make key tackles rather than push the team forward

[piscinin]

He's not being played there out of some master strategy IMO, he's being played there as he's seen as the long term replacement for Gerrard and (a) it'd be stupid to not play him at all because of the amount he cost and (b) we have no recognised right winger anyway.

 

This was interesting I thought, sounds familiar:

 

Strategy or not I don't know, but I think his positioning there is as deliberate as was Houghton's positioning on the opposite flank to that of Barnes. For that same asymmetry to re-appear hints at design IMO. His "position" appears to me, to be the triangle between RM, CM and AM. And Kenny thinks he's smart enough to shuffle between all three as a function of how the game is going.

 

I do agree with your sentiments about the challenge facing him though, it's an incredibly tough role(s!), especially for a kid of his limited experience. And as you say, you would not put money on a 1-dimensional player like Lampard, even with all his experience, being able to pull it off. So while he's not been great, I've seen enough to think it can work well.

 

Whether he ends up in the middle or not I don't know, but as a replacement for Gerrard who is defined by pace, power and impetuosity, none of which he has, I doubt it. His job is to carry the piano and I think he'll do it well and get very little credit for it.

 

I just hope he doesn't have to go through the Lucas experience before the chronically myopic begin to realize his value.

[Gym Beglin]

This time next year he could be a very different person, and an exceptional footballer.

That goes for him, Carroll, and Downing. Once they feel like this is home then they'll be free of these nerves.

[Section_31]

This time next year he could be a very different person, and an exceptional footballer.

That goes for him, Carroll, and Downing. Once they feel like this is home then they'll be free of these nerves.

 

Where Henderson differs from Carroll for me is that he's shown he's got a lot of individual skill. I'm no talent scout by any means but I can tell when someone has got some ability on the ball, and no amount of nerves is going to take that away. As I've said on other threads, I've not seen that in Carroll, I hope he's got it, but I haven't seen it.

[fowler9]

he was ace today, just a shame he couldn't get the winner, I was convinced that volley was going in as well

[Pidge]

Was really good when he came on, don't want him starting again yet (although I'm sure he will vs Norwich now - I'd prefer Jay coming in) as coming on from the bench has reduced the pressure and is giving him time to grow into the squad. Great vision for the half-volley but should have scored the header. Great to see him making the run (ahead of Suarez from midfield) that we lacked all game though.

[silverlining]

Was really good when he came on, don't want him starting again yet (although I'm sure he will vs Norwich now - I'd prefer Jay coming in) as coming on from the bench has reduced the pressure and is giving him time to grow into the squad. Great vision for the half-volley but should have scored the header. Great to see him making the run (ahead of Suarez from midfield) that we lacked all game though.

 

He should be starting ahead of Lucas. And will start against Norwich.

[robslappa]

He played well today when he came on.

[fowler9]

Was really good when he came on, don't want him starting again yet (although I'm sure he will vs Norwich now - I'd prefer Jay coming in) as coming on from the bench has reduced the pressure and is giving him time to grow into the squad. Great vision for the half-volley but should have scored the header. Great to see him making the run (ahead of Suarez from midfield) that we lacked all game though.

 

we looked fine with Adam, Stevie, Henderson in midfield today so we should be fine without a holding player against Norwich, its a good chance for us to really get a few goals and play decent football and thats the sort of game Jordan should be starting

[silverlining]

we looked fine with Adam, Stevie, Henderson in midfield today so we should be fine without a holding player against Norwich, its a good chance for us to really get a few goals and play decent football and thats the sort of game Jordan should be starting

 

If that holding player is Lucas, don't play one.

 

Our midfield should be Gerrard, Adam and Henderson

[KMD7]

If that holding player is Lucas, don't play one.

 

Our midfield should be Gerrard, Adam and Henderson

 

Couldn't agree more. Lucas just frustrates the life out of me

[Pidge]

Lucas is banned mate. Five yellows. Personally I'd like to see Jay get the start (partially because I think he's better at playing at high tempo from what I've seen and also because I want him hassling Hoolahan while we get a firm grip on the game), but I do expect Henderson to come in. After all if those three do kick up some chemistry it will pay dividends.

[silverlining]

Couldn't agree more. Lucas just frustrates the life out of me

 

And Henderson has been largely shite when Kenny's played him out wide, or just behind the striker.

 

Let him use his biggest asset - energy and pace - in the middle of the pitch.

[KMD7]

And Henderson has been largely shite when Kenny's played him out wide, or just behind the striker.

 

Let him use his biggest asset - energy and pace - in the middle of the pitch.

 

Exactly

[H7K]

And Henderson has been largely shite when Kenny's played him out wide, or just behind the striker.

 

Let him use his biggest asset - energy and pace - in the middle of the pitch.

 

Yes please and see how he gets on.

[fowler9]

oh and just to mention that tackle on Nani, won the ball and smashed the cunt, well in lad!

[usernameunknown]

Lovely little cameo that, could have had 2 today, scored v Bolton and missed that sitter v Stoke, he defo gets in the right areas. You could see why we paid the money today.

[Guest SpiderLucas]

Said he would play well if played in his correct position, although it was only the best part of half an hour he was awesome. Adam, Gerrard and Henderson should be our midfield 3.

 

When can I expect the "Stuart Downing - what are you?" thread?

[tenner]

Said he would play well if played in his correct position, although it was only the best part of half an hour he was awesome. Adam, Gerrard and Henderson should be our midfield 3.

 

When can I expect the "Stuart Downing - what are you?" thread?

 

Henderson played very well when he came on. Would like to see more consistency in his play.

[Strontium]

When can I expect the "Stuart Downing - what are you?" thread?

 

 

I think it'll be back to Lucas-bashing for the mindless dribblechins.

[Guest SpiderLucas]

I think it'll be back to Lucas-bashing for the mindless dribblechins.

 

Lucas wasn’t great today and I think it was subbed off or sent off, but I can’t remember the last time he’s been anything short of sensational when we’ve played the scum in the last few years.

 

For people to claim Lucas hasn’t improved is verging on insanity.

[VladimirIlyich]

Good to see him do well today,hes obviously got the ability and an eye for goal.

 

Coming off the bench gives us another option and a bit more energy when needed,like all the big teams have.

 

Onwards and upwards for the lad.

[silverlining]

Said he would play well if played in his correct position, although it was only the best part of half an hour he was awesome. Adam, Gerrard and Henderson should be our midfield 3.

 

When can I expect the "Stuart Downing - what are you?" thread?

 

Everyone knows what he is. A decent, dependable winger with a very good left foot who we overpaid for.

 

Doesn't score huge amounts, isn't massively quick or full of tricks, so will never be at the level of Ronaldo, Nani, Mata or Young, and isn't as adaptable as the aforementioned players.