New HBO Series: Game of Thrones

[Moo]

I'm still on a high after the last episode, brilliant stuff.

The bit where Arya (my favourite character) delivered Littlefinger's comeuppance is probably my best moment from all 67 episodes so far, and I don't think it will be bettered. Even if she gets to off Cersei I won't enjoy it as much as Cersei too is one of my favourites.

The whole episode was brilliant and I still can't fault it, the little reunions, the big reunions, all amazing.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I'm still on a high after the last episode, brilliant stuff.

The bit where Arya (my favourite character) delivered Littlefinger's comeuppance is probably my best moment from all 67 episodes so far, and I don't think it will be bettered. Even if she gets to off Cersei I won't enjoy it as much as Cersei too is one of my favourites.

The whole episode was brilliant and I still can't fault it, the little reunions, the big reunions, all amazing.

 

All about personal tastes and all that mate. I'm not a huge fan of Sansa, but the way she dispatched of that Bastard Bolton by getting his own dogs to eat him alive takes some topping. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

All about personal tastes and all that mate. I'm not a huge fan of Sansa, but the way she dispatched of that Bastard Bolton by getting his own dogs to eat him alive takes some topping.

Spot on that. She was pretty horrible to watch until the last couple of seasons; she really got better as she got older. That was some cold ass shit.

[Moo]

All about personal tastes and all that mate. I'm not a huge fan of Sansa, but the way she dispatched of that Bastard Bolton by getting his own dogs to eat him alive takes some topping.

Yep, pretty good too.

[Moo]

Spot on that. She was pretty horrible to watch until the last couple of seasons; she really got better as she got older. That was some cold ass shit.

I never had a major issue with Sansa. She was a naive annoying whiney kid, like most of them! That side of her was unpleasant until Ned was killed, she was a very unsympathetic character until that point.

But then Olenna and Margaery turned up and made her more interesting, she was decent to Tyrion and stood up to Joffrey (within reason). She's still not a favourite but I quite like her now.

[Baresi]

Jon will be resistant to the undead dragons blue flame, I reckon.

[Juniper]

Not bad ending to the season, bit of a slow burner but sets up the next series brilliantly.

 

Gutted this series one is over to be honest.

[Baltar]

Great end to what was a mixed season for me. I'm disappointed that the "Great War" will be played out in just 6 episodes. Jon has been telling us the world is in peril. I really hope that is the case and all of Westeros and Essos are engulfed by White Walkers and their minions. I have a bad feeling that most of the conflict will just take place in the North of Westeros.

[Aventus]

Dragon's are magical creatures so I think that they needed the dragon to destroy both the wall and the magic. It would explain why they've been wandering around north of the wall without attacking, waiting for a dragon. It also makes the ridiculous adventure to get a dead soldier into a necessary plot point

Yeah I always assumed the night king had some kind of foresight like Bran does, so he knew Jon and the dragons would be showing up so was sitting off til then.

[JagSquared]

Watched this on Monday morning and thought it was a good end to the season.

 

I thought that the meeting was very well done, the wight reveal and the reactions all seemed realistic. I was surprised when cersei agreed to join them and the later double cross was more in keeping with her character, however I really don't get why she agreed to join them surely she could have agreed to the truce sat back and sent euron to get the golden company and been in the same position. I'm Not sure why there was that extra step from her it's not as if they trust her anyway and if they do then that's just another bit of lazy writing.

 

The scenes with Lannister siblings were great to watch I feared for both tyrion and jamie. Some great dialogue and acting.

 

Jamie and theon are now on their redemption arcs. Hopefully we won't just get a load of happy endings as it's against the feel of the show.

 

It also made sense that the night king was waiting for an opportunity to bring down the wall and explains why he seemingly sat off for 7 seasons. I would have liked the attack on the wall to have been longer.

 

They could have done without the scuba wights fishing the dragon out of the water scene in the last episode as it would have been more of a surprise to see him riding a dragon out of nowhere if we hadn't seen it (even if most of us expected it).

 

I'm not bothered about the blue flame. I don't want beric and tormund to die but would be a tad silly to have them survive the wall coming down.

 

The one thing I was really disappointed with was the littlefinger scene, it felt rushed and I was hoping for a bigger pay off and for him to reveal what his grand plan was all along. Maybe that was the point though, little mistakes lead the big consequences and he made that little mistake by being a little careless in pitting the sisters against each other. I think what was odd this season was that he was pretty much alone they didn't show him with any allies he was literally there with an army that didn't much like him and the stark bannermen he was trying to manipulate, it seemed like a vulnerable position he shouldn't have put himself in.

 

I liked the jon snow reveal. Most of us had figured it out but they needed to clarify not sure how else they could have done it.

 

It was a good season all in all but rushed in parts, little irks like the travel times and silly decisions

 

Can't wait for it to come back.

[Remmie]

I think the mildly disappointing thing about Season 7 is the lack of 'Holy shit' shocking moments. A mate at work is hammering through the seasons having decided to start watching it 2 seasons ago, and he's just seen Shireen Baratheon burnt at the stake, Arya stab a dude in both eyes and Jon Snow betrayed by the night's watch in the course of 2 episodes!

[Bobby Hundreds]

Wasn't that impressed with series 7 don't think I'll bother with series 8.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Wasn't that impressed with series 7 don't think I'll bother with series 8.

It's only 6 episodes. You might as well finish it off. Worst case scenario is you might get to see Dany's tits, plus it'll give you something to moan about. Win-Win.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Im only messing.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Fuck it, I’m not watching it now.

[Captain Turdseye]

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[Anubis]

Just saw the final episode of Series 7 today. Another great episode. Loving Arya's medieval ninja vibe, and the casual way she executed Littlefinger. She's fast becoming my favourite character.

[RedKnight]

Did everyone get on to Arya wearing her hair in exactly the same style of Ned? Nice little nod, that.

[Curly]

Did everyone get on to Arya wearing her hair in exactly the same style of Ned? Nice little nod, that.

It was only because the fuse had gone in her straighteners.

[Welsh]

Am I the only one who dislikes Arya? I don't like Maisie Williams as an actress as at all. Something really irks me about her.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I think her scenes with Tywin are some of my favourite in the entire show. She’s also a bit of a badass. Yeah, I like her.

 

No so keen on Sansa though. Well, she ha improved but at the start she was a real little cunt.

[General Dryness]

[TheBitch]

We imagine that the property value of any land that's in the North of Westeros is about to plummet after that epic finale to Season 7 of Game of Thrones.

As we now know, the Night King and the army of the dead have broken through the Wall and they're set for an epic showdown with the realms of men.

With The Great War approaching, there are so many theories and questions to be answered but the most important one is this, what does the Night King actually want?

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Part of this mystery could be found in a dark and gruesome period of the Night's Watch's history, more specifically, the horrific events that unfolded at the Nightfort.

Before we jump into that storyline, it's important to remember  how the White Walkers came into being and their history. We know that the Children of the Forest and the First Men agreed a pact that ended millennia-long wars between the two races.

This point proves that mankind can make negotiate a peace agreement with a supernatural force.

In Season 6, we learned that the Children of the Forest actually created the White Walkers as a weapon to fight against the humans, piercing his heart with dragon glass at a Weirwood tree.

We also know that the White Walkers have fought in the south before, 8,000 years ago to be precise.

During the War for the Dawn, The First Men and Children of the Forest united and successfully fought together. The White Walkers were pushed back after a figure called the Last Hero defeated them, sending them back north.

It's worth noting that the details of this 'victory' have been pretty sketchy.

Think about it. One man defeating the army of the dead? It's very likely that this person - The Last Hero - negotiated a pact with with the White Walkers and they willingly retreated as per the terms of this deal.

Following this detente, it's said that a Stark named Brandon built the Wall, Winterfell and created the Night's Watch to ensure that the Others would never return. Theorists believe that the White Walkers actually built the Wall - entirely reasonable given the fact that they're masters of ice - as a way to create a border and mark their lands, but there's more to this pact.

The White Walkers would rule and live peacefully in the Land of Always Winter beyond the Wall and in return, the humans would leave them alone while vowing to never to use fire magic (like dragonglass and Valyrian steel) against them.

Human sacrifices to the White Walkers were also required.

Here's where the Nightfort and a recent line from Jon Snow in the last episode, The Dragon and the Wolf, fits in.

During that scene at the Dragonpit, Jon tells Cersei that they were dealing with "a general you can't negotiate with."

This doesn't appear to be true.

 

 

[TheBitch]

 

The Nightfort

The Nightfort is a ruined castle on the Wall, west of Castle Black, that the Night's Watch once garrisoned.

It was abandoned because the dwindling numbers of the Night's Watch could no longer fully man it. In the official Game of Thrones viewing guide, we're told that this location hides 'some sort of secret for the Night's Watch.'

Part of that secret is a history of human sacrifices to the Others.

In 'A Storm of Swords' - the third book in the series - Bran Stark mentions a character called the Night's King who was once the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.

Ok, this is the only part of the story that might get a bit confusing.

The Night's King (plural) is a totally different character than the Night King - the current villain in Game of Thrones that faced Jon at Hardhome, resurrected Viserion and destroyed the Wall.

This character below is the Night King that most people know about.

This person below is the Night's King that most people don't know about.

In the tale, the Night's King was once a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch but his tenure was dark and full of terrors.

The basic gist of this story is that the Night's King was a respected leader and soldier until he fell in love with a female White Walker that had"skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars".

The couple got married and this evil leader of the Night's Watch then moved his wife into the Nightfort (the castle along The Wall) before declaring himself a king. For thirteen years the two ruled over the Night's Watch and performed human sacrifices to the White Walkers.

The Night's King was only defeated after the free folk rallied under the banner of  Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. They also had help from King Brandon the Breaker and House Stark in this conflict.

There's even an extra on the Game of Thrones DVD that details this dark history of the Night's King (1:06), but this record of human sacrifices to the White Walkers has continued.

 

Craster

Cast you mind back to Season 2 and the events that unfolded at Craster's Keep.

In case you need a reminder, Craster was the wildling who lived north of the Wall. When his daughters grow old enough he marries them, and then incestuously fathers new children with them.

If any of his nineteen wives gave birth to a boy, it was immediately sacrificed to the White Walkers.

Craster worshiped the White Walkers as gods, not demons.

It's entirely reasonable then to assume that his life was frequently spared because he adhered to the rules of this ancient pact.

This proves that the White Walkers are creatures that can be negotiated with, but Craster was eventually murdered by Karl Tanner, a mutinous member of the Night's Watch.

Craster negotiated and reasoned with the White Walkers- just like the Night's King did at the Nightfort.

Why is this important? Well, as we've frequently seen, the Night King has the ability to resurrect the dead, but we've only see him create new White Walkers in the Lands of Always Winter.

After engaging in battle, the Night King has resurrected hordes of wights to boost his numbers. Remember the finale at Hardhome?

Wights are those skeletal, savage and zombie-like creatures that can be killed with fire, dragon glass, Valyrian steel and dragon fire.

'Dumb cunts' as the Hound would say.

Here's Jon killing one.

White Walkers are something entirely different and they're created differently also. They need to be touched by the Night King to be created and in the show, we've only seen White Walkers being created as babies.

Remember the White Walker that was killed by Sam after he was trying to deliver Gilly's baby to the Night King? If such a pact existed, wouldn't Sam have violated it when he killed that White Walker? Are humans threatening the very existence of the White Walkers by tampering with this pact?

After all, they're dying out.

 

The endgame

If you're looking at things from the perspective of a White Walker, you might be able to understand their grievances.

If this pact does exist, the humans have ventured into their territory and violated the terms of the agreement by ending the sacrifices that were required to create new White Walkers.

Combine this with the fact that dragons and magic are now back in Westeors - two things that can kill White Walkers.

It's clear that the dead aren't happy, but they may have already been trying to express their anger by sending a message to the realms of men.

In the very first scene of the show, a ranger of the Night's Watch is spared by the White Walkers. Ultimately, this man is executed by Ned Stark for being a deserter, but it's almost like the White Walkers wanted him to carry the message of their existence back to the rest of the living.

The same situation happened with Sam when he was trapped behind a rock and somehow survived.

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George R.R Martin has frequently said that ending of Game of Thrones will be 'bittersweet'. He's also stated that he hates fantasy novels that oversimplify the nature of good vs evil.

In his own words, "the greatest monsters in history thought they were the heroes of their story." Isn't it entirely conceivable that the White Walkers are acting in the interest of their own self-preservation?

John Bradley (Samwell Tarly) has even added fuel to this theory by saying: "We’re told that all the time about certain groups of people — these people want this, these people want that — and that’s only half the story. If the White Walkers are human beings of a sort, then they do want something. They are fighting with a moral compass that just might be slightly different than ours. It’s not that they don’t have morality, it just might be different than ours. Their priorities are different. So if they are people with morals, and heart, and families and causes to fight for, other than a nihilistic destruction of everything that’s been in the world, then that’s a different prospect".

It's worth noting that Martin himself was a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War and that he's not a fan of indulging in the simplistic versions of good vs evil, light vs dark, right vs wrong.

Throughout the history of Game of Thrones, we've seen that war causes nothing but suffering and death. On this note, could the Prince that was Promised be more of a negotiator than a fighter?

If Jon is Azor Ahai reborn, his role might be to negotiate a new pact between the living and the dead.

A bittersweet song of ice and fire?

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

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Game of Thrones to shoot multiple endings of final season to stop story leaks

Multiple endings will be filmed for the final episode of Game of Thrones to stop the storyline leaking.

HBO's President of Programming Casey Bloys says even the stars of the show won't know how it ends.

"I know in Game of Thrones, the ending, they're going to shoot multiple versions so that nobody really knows what happens.

"You have to do that on a long show. When you're shooting, people know," he told an audience at a US college.

"So they're going to shoot multiple versions so that there's no real definitive answer until the end."

The seventh season of Game of Thrones was hit by several high-profile leaks.

Hackers released scripts, HBO documents and unbroadcast episodes from other TV shows.

Four people were arrested in India after a pirated episode was uploaded from an online streaming service in Mumbai.

Another instalment was mistakenly released early in Europe, copied and shared online.

The seventh season of Game of Thrones was illegally downloaded "more than a billion times" according to data seen by piracy tracking firm Muso.

Casey Bloys says that as well as keeping the storyline secret, it'll be incredibly hard to keep everyone happy with the ending.

"Finales are tough," he told students at Moravian College in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

"If you think about Six Feet Under, well that was a pretty good finale. But if you think about Seinfeld, if you think about The Sopranos, if you think about Breaking Bad - everybody has an opinion about how a show should end.

"The thing that was interesting about The Sopranos was it did make you think.

"In a way everybody got their own version of it. I think he was probably shot, but I don't think David [Chase] has really told anybody what really happened in his mind.

"But I think that's his point. It can be whatever you think it should be as a fan."

It's unclear when the final series of Game of Thrones will air.

The Hollywood Reporter says production on the final six episodes of the show will start in October and will carry on until the middle of 2018.

"Our production people are trying to figure out a timeline for the shoot and how much time the special effects take," says Casey Bloys.

That could mean fans have to wait until 2019 to see the final instalment.