Black managers...where are they?

[silverlining]

Please, baby Jeebus, make him stop.

[VladimirIlyich]

What part of that is racist?

 

If you're faster, or stronger or have more stamina than your opponents which any cross section of black v white players would suggest, would you need to develop coping strategies? No, you wouldn't. The game now is more about stamina and speed than it has ever been so it's no surprise we are seeing more and more African players (I know not all black players are African I'm just using them as an example) preferred, also they are cheaper as well.

 

Look even at English black players who stand out this season, Young, Lennon, Walcott, is football intelligence the first thing you identify in their game? No, it's pace. Is that racist? No it's a fact.

 

Of course there are white players that buck the trend that's exactly why Bale is so coverted, it's certainly not the intelligence he brought as a left back.

 

So they are not intelligent?

What about Rooney,Barton or many other white players too?

 

And Fact means proof not opinion.

[WrongIslander]

So they are not intelligent?

What about Rooney,Barton or many other white players too?

 

And Fact means proof not opinion.

 

I'm clearly talking about football intelligence which is a completely different thing. Rooney and Barton are very intelligent footballers, but proper idiots.

[Funkasy]

using the Racist card is really getting boring now a days. People cant speak their mind without been called racist or some kind of minority haters.

[silverlining]

I'm clearly talking about football intelligence which is a completely different thing. Rooney and Barton are very intelligent footballers, but proper idiots.

 

So are they typically white footballers?

 

I'd love you to to expound this amazing theory for everyone. I expect it will be most illuminating.

[VladimirIlyich]

using the Racist card is really getting boring now a days. People cant speak their mind without been called racist or some kind of minority haters.

 

Read back through the posts of WrongIslander and tell me that a lot of what he's printed is not racist?

 

I am not saying he's racist its just that his arguments are all over the place.

 

I would have to say he's just ignorant rather than racist,some would say thats the same thing.

[silverlining]

using the Racist card is really getting boring now a days. People cant speak their mind without been called racist or some kind of minority haters.

 

Yeah. Racism's so *boring*.

 

We should let it go.

 

Black players don't need to use intelligence in their game, because they're all about physicality. This is why they don't make good managers. But are good sprinters.

 

Yawn yawn Boring.

[WrongIslander]

So are they typically white footballers?

 

I'd love you to to expound this amazing theory for everyone. I expect it will be most illuminating.

 

Yes they are "typically white" if you want to use that terminology, they're also typically english and more over theyre, typically scouse in their play, so is Carragher and so is Gerrard, is that okay to say that since it wasn't about a race? It's obviously true and people have no problem with it but if I were to say they were typically african, well that wouldn't do now would it.

 

Suarez is typically South American in his play, he's typically Uruguayan (if you know your history of World Cup football) and I'm sure he also has characteristics born into him from his home town.

 

I've never once said it was just race that played a part in how a footballer ends up, but it's obviously a significant factor, one you're too scared and too stupid to acknowledge even going as far as to ignore scientific fact on your way.

[silverlining]

Yes they are "typically white" if you want to use that terminology, they're also typically english and more over theyre, typically scouse in their play, so is Carragher and so is Gerrard, is that okay to say that since it wasn't about a race? It's obviously true and people have no problem with it but if I were to say they were typically african, well that wouldn't do now would it.

 

Suarez is typically South American in his play, he's typically Uruguayan (if you know your history of World Cup football) and I'm sure he also has characteristics born into him from his home town.

 

I've never once said it was just race that played a part in how a footballer ends up, but it's obviously a significant factor, one you're too scared and too stupid to acknowledge even going as far as to ignore scientific fact on your way.

 

You can't be a real person. You can't be.

[RED.DUB]

I've gotta pull this up. Where did he say this? Seemed to me he threw a few names in and like it or not, that's not the same thing. Crap like this undermines genuine racism- something you seem to stand very much against.

 

Relax a little. I'm sure if any one of us harboured racist views, we'd hardly air them in here, subtly or otherwise.

 

Might as well trundle out a cliche, my wife is mixed race and my best mate is Asian, so I can't be a racist.

you dont fancy pulling silverlining up then.:lol:

[Guest PurpleNose]

So they are not intelligent?

What about Rooney,Barton or many other white players too?

 

And Fact means proof not opinion.

 

The reason they're stupid is their nationality. Not colour.

[jamespp]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with what I am saying

 

not at all, theres always a load of PC rubbish by people in threads like this all over the internet

[Phoenix]

I'm clearly talking about football intelligence which is a completely different thing. Rooney and Barton are very intelligent footballers, but proper idiots.

 

Marcos Senna, George Weah, Samuel Etoo, Robinho, Kanu.

 

Intelligent players in footballing terms........................................and black

[MOGLET]

Out of curiosity, has anyone actually asked any black people if they themselves want to be football managers?

 

Could it not just be the case that they dont want to do this particular job? and not some fairtrade feed the world bollocks that some beard wearing troll is trying to make it out to be?

 

Just a thought.

[RED.DUB]

Out of curiosity, has anyone actually asked any black people if they themselves want to be football managers?

 

Could it not just be the case that they dont want to do this particular job? and not some fairtrade feed the world bollocks that some beard wearing troll is trying to make it out to be?

 

Just a thought.

your taking the piss?

[J-V]

Marcos Senna, George Weah, Samuel Etoo, Robinho, Kanu.

 

Intelligent players in footballing terms........................................and black

No, just no

[Beantown Red]

For Uefa's landmark recognition, delivered at a meeting of senior figures in Amsterdam last week, that European football is "institutionally" racist and sexist, run by a self-perpetuating "old boys' club", the lumpen embarrassments of Sky TV's Richard Keys and Andy Gray could hardly have been better timed.

 

The seminar, chaired by William Gaillard, the advisor to the Uefa president, Michel Platini, and billed as the historic start of tackling the game's "institutional discrimination," considered sobering research on the dominance of middle aged-to-elderly white men in running football. Led by Dr Steven Bradbury of Loughborough University, the research found an alarming contrast between the melting pots on the pitch, where 33% of professional players in European football countries are from overseas, and the "under-representation" of ethnic minority or women coaches, and the "marked absence of minorities in leadership positions".

 

Bradbury found that more than 99% of white collar staff at professional clubs and national football associations are white, and overwhelmingly men, apart from exceptions in Scandinavia. Appointments to senior positions were depicted as "an old boys' club," in which vacancies are rarely advertised, instead being filled on the nod by associates of the old boys already in charge.

 

The culture is intensely discriminatory, the research found, with even great black players "stereotyped" as not being management material, and women regarded as knowing nothing about the game. There is, the report stated, "overt and casual sexism;" all knowledge in football is assumed to belong to "the male expert" and women's abilities are "devalued and invalidated". Three days after the meeting, Keys and Gray proved those points rather spectacularly, insulting the Premier League assistant referee Sian Massey, in off-air comments caught on microphone, as "fucking hopeless," because she is a woman.

 

Bradbury found similarly prejudiced attitudes towards black people and ethnic minorities, despite the achievements over more than 30 years of players on the pitch. Owners of clubs still make "racialised assessments" based on "physical and cultural stereotypes of black people", his report said, fearing that black coaches "would not be accepted by the squad." It is, he found, "commonplace" at clubs and FAs to "stereotype" black and ethnic minority people as having "physicality over intellect" and not to consider them for senior executive roles.

 

Bryan Roy, the former Holland and Nottingham Forest winger, now a forwards coach for Ajax youth teams, told the seminar that black footballers like him often lack the communication skills and confidence to establish careers after playing, and clubs, generally, do nothing to encourage them. Roy said he went into coaching because Michael van Praag, then Ajax chairman, now the Dutch FA's president, did. "He spotted something in me I hadn't seen myself," said Roy.

 

He argued that clubs have a duty to provide a broad education for the young players they take in. "In coaching there is an old boys' network, which is very difficult to change," Roy said. "But football should help the next generation, to develop their skills and make the most of their abilities afterwards. When a player's time is up now, the club just gets rid of him."

 

Continued

[RED.DUB]

im sure theres a fair few black footballers,past and present who would disagree with roy.

lacking communication skills and confidence is not a trait that black people have trade marked,it can affect ANYONE.

[Anubis]

im sure theres a fair few black footballers,past and present who would disagree with roy.

lacking communication skills and confidence is not a trait that black people have trade marked,it can affect ANYONE.

 

Wrongislander.

[TheResonator]

What WrongIslander is saying is somewhat clumsy and ineloquent but I don't think he's being racist in the manner that people are suggesting.

 

His basic idea is obviously that players develop according to their strengths or weaknesses. If you are physically strong or fast then having game intelligence to succeed might not be a pre-requisite for making it at the top level. If you are diminutive and not blessed with pace then - obviously - you have to become a 'clever' footballer or you will not make it to the top level, where someone who is simply fast enough to skin 90% of defenders will have a better shot at making it without honing their reading of the game, or their ability to dictate a midfield.

 

This idea ain't fucking rocket science.

 

The dodgy ground he's stumbled onto is in suggesting that 'black' players are generally superior physical specimens and are thus perhaps more likely to develop into the kind of players who succeed through brute physicality rather than *needing* to court a better understanding of the game than those who are less physically blessed. Making that argument, though it's obvious where it will lead, is completely different to saying that 'black' players are not capable of game intelligence; it's suggesting that maybe, on a case-by-case basis, more have built their game around their physical advantages over their competitors.

 

The only generalisation that's been made is that 'black' players are generally better athletes. I have no idea whether that's scientifically true or not, but is it racist? I don't know. It doesn't sound like a negative thing, although you're always treading on dodgy ground when you generalise on a race-by-race basis.

 

Like I said, it's clumsy and ineloquent, and I don't personally agree with it, but it's really annoying to read something that's fairly rudimentary being totally misread and argued over, even if it is a stupid thing to say.

 

Not that this will probably have much of an impact. Carry on.

[Mandrill]

Frank Rijkaard black enough?

[Mandrill]

Chris Hughton black enough?

[RED.DUB]

go on,keep going.

[WrongIslander]

What WrongIslander is saying is somewhat clumsy and ineloquent but I don't think he's being racist in the manner that people are suggesting.

 

His basic idea is obviously that players develop according to their strengths or weaknesses. If you are physically strong or fast then having game intelligence to succeed might not be a pre-requisite for making it at the top level. If you are diminutive and not blessed with pace then - obviously - you have to become a 'clever' footballer or you will not make it to the top level, where someone who is simply fast enough to skin 90% of defenders will have a better shot at making it without honing their reading of the game, or their ability to dictate a midfield.

 

This idea ain't fucking rocket science.

 

The dodgy ground he's stumbled onto is in suggesting that 'black' players are generally superior physical specimens and are thus perhaps more likely to develop into the kind of players who succeed through brute physicality rather than *needing* to court a better understanding of the game than those who are less physically blessed. Making that argument, though it's obvious where it will lead, is completely different to saying that 'black' players are not capable of game intelligence; it's suggesting that maybe, on a case-by-case basis, more have built their game around their physical advantages over their competitors.

 

The only generalisation that's been made is that 'black' players are generally better athletes. I have no idea whether that's scientifically true or not, but is it racist? I don't know. It doesn't sound like a negative thing, although you're always treading on dodgy ground when you generalise on a race-by-race basis.

 

Like I said, it's clumsy and ineloquent, and I don't personally agree with it, but it's really annoying to read something that's fairly rudimentary being totally misread and argued over, even if it is a stupid thing to say.

 

Not that this will probably have much of an impact. Carry on.

 

Cheers.

 

Basically I was posting half cut, watching Sevilla and then Real and while having a conversation with a mate about what I was posting, so yeah not at my most eloquent is more than a fair cop.

 

It's nice to see someone can tell the difference between being clumsy, which I'll gladly admit and being racist, which I'm clearly not.Not that silverlining cares if I'm racist or not. Let's face it SL could be the Grand Dragon of the KKK and still call me a racist if it suited his purpose.

[Alan Sex]

There's a few Irish managers. Isn't that the same thing?