Subject: Jamie Bulger

[md1892]

I don't buy into it at all; I don't agree with the death penalty but I do believe a wrong un is a wrong un. Treat them humanely but just keep them out of harms way, that's all I've ever asked. I'm not talking here about your common or garden criminal, just the real nasty bastards, you ain't changing them.

 

I do think we should set up a prison island on South Georgia, give each prisoner a knife, enough penguins to go round, fuck em.

[Section_31]

The state has no right to kill people, simple as.

[King Emlyn]

I do think we should set up a prison island on South Georgia, give each prisoner a knife, enough penguins to go round, fuck em.

Whatever, just so long as they're out of harms way. I don't really care for nasty bastards.

[King Emlyn]

The state has no right to kill people, simple as.

That, I agree with.

[md1892]

Fucking internet hard man, you're not scaring us with your spoons. Like you've got the balls to use spoons.

 

Its a fair cop guv, it was actually a butterknife.

[md1892]

The state has no right to kill people, simple as.

 

Exactly, let them kill each other. Just like the film 'No Escape'

[Guest davelfc]

I do think we should set up a prison island on South Georgia, give each prisoner a knife, enough penguins to go round, fuck em.

 

Won't somebody think of the penguins.

[VladimirIlyich]

Lets send them to an island on the other side of the world where they wont harm anybody else and we can then hammer them in sports events like cricket and rugby....

[Rapey Hugh]

Running Man is the only logical solution to this. We just need to find ourselves a Professor Sub-Zero and arm him with a katana ice hocky stick and we are basically there. No Austrians may enter though.

[md1892]

Lets send them to an island on the other side of the world where they wont harm anybody else and we can then hammer them in sports events like cricket and rugby....

 

My god.. the mans a genius !

[md1892]

Won't somebody think of the penguins.

 

 

Have you seen Happy feet ? .... Fuck em !

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I don't buy into it at all; I don't agree with the death penalty but I do believe a wrong un is a wrong un. Treat them humanely but just keep them out of harms way, that's all I've ever asked. I'm not talking here about your common or garden criminal, just the real nasty bastards, you aint changing them.

 

To be honest mate, it's an impossible debate one way or another, by being in prison they are out of harms way, there seems good logic in trying to change the person who commited the crime rather than letting them rot and then releasing them back into the public, for every opinion someone has though there will be someone who thinks the complete opposite as there really are no right and wrong answers.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

As far as beating people to death we all know that the only real weapon a real man uses is his thumb.

[Stu Monty]

Dave, just a quick one. You know when there's a case of some poor toddler that's had the shit beaten out of it and treated like a dog for years? Once we've killed the parents that did it to him at what age would you like us to terminate the now totally fucked up kid? You know, the kid that will go on to be an adult that does equally fucked up things...because they have no physical capacity for empathy. None. They simple have not developed that part of the brain.

 

Do we just do a three for the price of two to save costs?

[dirk grout]

The same argument always seeps out, "people still kill people" or some other ill thought out crap. That's like saying what's the point of having laws if people still break them. Fuck it, let them run riot eh?

 

Also the shit argument that there's no difference between someone murdering an innocent person and then having their life taken. I hope none of you have to suffer the loss of a close relative or friend to the hands of a murderer. I hope none of you have to have nightmares about the pain, horror and torture they might have suffered.

 

I'll bang the drum for capital punishment until they make them suffer every day of their life instead of living a comfortable life. I'd also push the button, flick the switch or pull the trigger if they're looking for someone to do that, with a smile on my face.

 

Using your own logic, would you not then have to be killed?

[Captain]

The same argument always seeps out, "people still kill people" or some other ill thought out crap. That's like saying what's the point of having laws if people still break them. Fuck it, let them run riot eh?

 

Also the shit argument that there's no difference between someone murdering an innocent person and then having their life taken. I hope none of you have to suffer the loss of a close relative or friend to the hands of a murderer. I hope none of you have to have nightmares about the pain, horror and torture they might have suffered.

 

I'll bang the drum for capital punishment until they make them suffer every day of their life instead of living a comfortable life. I'd also push the button, flick the switch or pull the trigger if they're looking for someone to do that, with a smile on my face.

 

That's pretty near the top of the shittest argument ever used.

 

The rest of the post isn't much better. Get a grip.

[Section_31]

To be honest mate, it's an impossible debate one way or another, by being in prison they are out of harms way, there seems good logic in trying to change the person who committed the crime rather than letting them rot and then releasing them back into the public, for every opinion someone has though there will be someone who thinks the complete opposite as there really are no right and wrong answers.

 

There are people out there though to be fair who are naturally predators, people with serious personality disorders for example who are not technically ill (personality disorders are the only thing a doctor is not obliged to treat you for, I read somewhere) but they just have a different grasp of what is and isn't acceptable. That's innate. A sociopath for example, sees no difference between you and a plank of wood. This 'wiring' can be harnessed or repressed (for example there are supposedly a high percentage of high functioning psychopaths in boardrooms, and no doubt the military has a good few - Ronald Spiers for instance from Band of Brothers was described in Richard Winters' book as 'a born killer'.)

 

But when these people go wrong, surely they can't be 'fixed' the same way someone who's simply gone off the rails with a drink or drug of poverty problem can, and in that sense I agree with the King, you need that option of simply keeping some people out of society's way, forever if neccessary (as seems to be happening with these indefinate sentences for public protection that are being handed out now, nobody has yet been released from one to my knowledge).

[Guest davelfc]

Using your own logic, would you not then have to be killed?

 

Oh I see what you did there, brilliant.

[jonnybastard]

I have a friend who works at a home/school for 'little bastards' (my words), it's basically the last place they go before prison. He says that do sometimes wonder how a child can become a fucked up nasty piece of work, then you meet the parent- and all becomes clear. Society may see their behaviour as unacceptable, but to the child it's perfectly normal. If your mother tells you your a little bastard, then you believe them, and act accordingly. If we look at nazi germany as an extreme example. Children were taught nothing but nazi ideology, everyone they loved and trusted told them that jews were not human, nothing more than rats in humanoid form. Then, when they grew to adults, they helped exterminate those 'rats', is it because a generation of germans were evil? Or were those monsters victims themselves? Do we consider them evil children, or did they become evil when they made their own choices based on everything they 'knew'?

[Paulie Dangerously]

How many chances to rehabilitate should be given before we throw away the key? This is my major gripe. Occasionally you read about a judge telling an offender he will never be released after his 3rd or 4th granny-rape but not often.

 

In the bulger case the crime was commited when they were barely the age of criminal responsibility. They were rightfully punished to the laws extent and released. Given the chance to start again under a new guise and to show they had been rehabilitated. What happens? One is found with illegal porn and sent back to jail.

 

When do we say "well, we tried, we released him, he is still a criminal. Let's keep him there out of harms way" ? Second time? Tenth time? Never?

 

It's like these career thieves who rack up dozens (if not tens of dozens) of convictions for screwing peoples houses getting a few months here and there before being released probably with a golden crow bar to commemorate their 10th stay at get Majesty's pleasure. How long can it go on?

 

Some folks are bad just eggs and no amount of rehab is going to change that

[VladimirIlyich]

How many chances to rehabilitate should be given before we throw away the key? This is my major gripe. Occasionally you read about a judge telling an offender he will never be released after his 3rd or 4th granny-rape but not often.

 

In the bulger case the crime was commited when they were barely the age of criminal responsibility. They were rightfully punished to the laws extent and released. Given the chance to start again under a new guise and to show they had been rehabilitated. What happens? One is found with illegal porn and sent back to jail.

 

When do we say "well, we tried, we released him, he is still a criminal. Let's keep him there out of harms way" ? Second time? Tenth time? Never?

 

It's like these career thieves who rack up dozens (if not tens of dozens) of convictions for screwing peoples houses getting a few months here and there before being released probably with a golden crow bar to commemorate their 10th stay at get Majesty's pleasure. How long can it go on?

 

Some folks are bad just eggs and no amount of rehab is going to change that

 

Good post Paulie.

 

I would say that,in principle only,the USA's three strikes and your out is a good idea but the way the US criminal justice system is the third strike could be as petty as stealing hubcaps in some cases.

With violent crime,murder,manslaughter,GBH etc,there has to be only one chance given,well with murder anyway and previous offences should always be considered too.

[Gym Beglin]

The Bulger case, sends shivers down my spine just thinking about the image of them lads taking Jamie by the hand and leading him off to damage him to the point of his death.

 

It's one of those sinister, wicked, incomprehensible acts that I want to believe only exists in the imagination of a dark horror writer's repertoire, because it's safe there, it's not real. But, for it to happen, to cross that boundary into reality, it still knocks me, I still have problems believing it is real, such is the mayhem and evil involved in that conscious decision by two children to do that.

 

If ever the death penalty was deserved, it was for that. I would rest a lot easier knowing that those two were dead and their ashes put in a municipal incinerator, because the gene pool really threw out a fucking anomalie with those two.

 

I'd happily, and I sincerely mean this, do 10 years in prison for breaking them into pieces with a hammer. They can say sorry a million times, it's really not enough.

[Whelan]

If ever the death penalty was deserved, it was for that. I would rest a lot easier knowing that those two were dead and their ashes put in a municipal incinerator, because the gene pool really threw out a fucking anomalie with those two.

 

I'd happily, and I sincerely mean this, do 10 years in prison for breaking them into pieces with a hammer. They can say sorry a million times, it's really not enough.

 

 

Which of course makes you so much better than them doesn't it?

[Scousa Tomo]

After commiting a serious crime when it comes to being released, the victims family should also be on the panel that make that decision. Victims families need to have alot more say into what happens to monsters like this once found guilty.

 

I have to say i agree with the death penalty, only in extreme cases of repeat murder, rape etc. I understand the moral implications but some people are just beyond help, plus with modern methods, ie dna, cameras evrywere etc it would have to be preoved beyond reasonable doubt.

 

I also feel that the conditions in prisons are way way to good, if someone commits a serious crime they shouldnt be allowed to play call of duty, or watch violent films or given access to the internet. Prison should be a horrific place, somewhere that will make people so shit scared of going, that they think twice before breaking the law.

 

It costs so much money to keep these scumbags, and its going to get worse with the cuts and unemployment crime is guaranteed to rise as people struggle to make ends meet. Soon we will be seeing people not going to jail for much more serious crimes simply because there is no room or money.

[dickie mint]

Which of course makes you so much better than them doesn't it?

 

 

Yes