Israel - A Rant

[Strontium]

I find it interesting that retaliatory strikes by Israel that killed three Gazans warrants a mention on this forum, but the killing of 43 Yemenis - almost all of them primary school age children - by the Saudis on the same day, goes unmentioned.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I find it interesting that retaliatory strikes by Israel that killed three Gazans warrants a mention on this forum, but the killing of 43 Yemenis - almost all of them primary school age children - by the Saudis on the same day, goes unmentioned.

What are you insinuating?

 

And I have to say, your framing of Israeli's transgressions is pretty much unpalatable at this point.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

No, it means that despite the fortune cookie wisdom you shared in the previous post, I still think the same thing. You didn't, after all, refute it in any way.

Oooooh. Get you!

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I find it interesting that retaliatory strikes by Israel that killed three Gazans warrants a mention on this forum, but the killing of 43 Yemenis - almost all of them primary school age children - by the Saudis on the same day, goes unmentioned.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I haven't read the news yet. I just saw the Gazan slaughters on Facebook. Now I'm aware of them, I have no issue in saying that the Yemeni slaughters are equally abhorrent.

 

So, you can put the "card" away. Have you considered getting it laminated? It must be quite battered, considering how frequently and haphazardly you whip it out?

[Numero Veinticinco]

Oooooh. Get you!

Having had a professional and academic interest in the region for the best part of 20 years leads me to get a bit short when some common-room analysis is taught to me with a clear attempt to display your own knowledge rather than disagree.

[Strontium]

What are you insinuating?

 

And I have to say, your framing of Israeli's transgressions is pretty much unpalatable at this point.

I'm not insinuating anything. I just find it interesting. I will let other people make up their minds as to why the killing of 3 warrants criticism but the killing of 43 doesn't.

 

I don't know what you mean by framing, sorry. I obviously condemn the killing of innocent people, wherever and whoever does it.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Having had a professional and academic interest in the region for the best part of 20 years leads me to get a bit short when some common-room analysis is taught to me with a clear attempt to display your own knowledge rather than disagree.

Has Stronts hacked your account? Wahahahahahaha.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Having had a professional and academic interest in the region for the best part of 20 years leads me to get a bit short when some common-room analysis is taught to me with a clear attempt to display your own knowledge rather than disagree.

But I'm glad you have an interest in the area. It was just hard to glean that from your rather unremarkable reply to my first post.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

In the interests of civility, to avoid the incessant trolling and the really, really pathetic insinuations, I think it's time to use the ignore function.

 

Arrogant sociopaths ain't for changin'

[Numero Veinticinco]

I'm not insinuating anything. I just find it interesting. I will let other people make up their minds as to why the killing of 3 warrants criticism but the killing of 43 doesn't.

I didn't comment on either of them. In fact, only one person did and he just told you he didn't know about it. So I've made up my mnd, it's because he didn't know. Not that he supports the killing of 43 children.

 

I don't know what you mean by framing, sorry. I obviously condemn the killing of innocent people, wherever and whoever does it.

Except you didn't, did you? You posted no condemnation, you questioned why others hadn't criticised the Saudis. I find it interesting that your lack of criticism is okay and should be taken for granted but others, like the Saudi murders you mentioned, have to be spelled out by everyone.

 

Furthermore, you didn't only not criticise it, you called it a 'retaliatory strike that killed three Gazans', having previously slammed this thread as one for 'mindless criticism of the only democracy in the Middle East'. Like I say, it's framing partial truths in a way that makes you sound like a propagandist and an apologist. I know that you don't support the killing of children, I just dislike that it needs to be dragged out of you. Had I not known you from the best part of ten years of talking to you about these things, but rather taken what you said at face value, I would judge you as an apologist of murder and suffering.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Has Stronts hacked your account? Wahahahahahaha.

No, hence me underselling myself.

 

But I'm glad you have an interest in the area. It was just hard to glean that from your rather unremarkable reply to my first post.

It wasn't supposed to be remarkable, but my concise view of Hamas.

[Strontium]

I'm not altogether sure that every time someone is killed, be it a bus full of children or the family of a Hamas commander, the world is eagerly waiting for me to condemn it. Can we just take it as read that I think it's bad when people are killed? It would save a lot of time and not bore everyone to tears.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I'm not altogether sure that every time someone is killed, be it a bus full of children or the family of a Hamas commander, the world is eagerly waiting for me to condemn it. Can we just take it as read that I think it's bad when people are killed? It would save a lot of time and not bore everyone to tears.

I wasn't the one that came into the thread questioning why an attack hadn't been criticised, you were. You can surely see it's a bit hypocritical?

 

I can happily assume you dislike it when innocents are killed, so long as you don't misrepresent it as something else, as long as the favour is returned, especially when it's countries that I absolutely despise like Saudi Arabia. There's a reason why there's no real discussion on Saudi, it's because nobody defends them, supports them, or in any way likes them on here.

[Strontium]

I wasn't the one that came into the thread questioning why an attack hadn't been criticised, you were. You can surely see it's a bit hypocritical?

I don't think so. I was just curious why one was worthy of comment and one apparently wasn't. Now I know it was just that N-T hadn't spotted the deaths in Yemen, so I'm sure he'll be posting about them in the "Saudi Arabia - A Rant" thread imminently.

 

I don't have anything more to say about this anyway, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now.

[Numero Veinticinco]

That's where we do disagree, I guess. I think it's a pretty much textbook example of hypocrisy.

[ZonkoVille77]

I find it interesting that retaliatory strikes by Israel that killed three Gazans warrants a mention on this forum, but the killing of 43 Yemenis - almost all of them primary school age children - by the Saudis on the same day, goes unmentioned.

Take it to the Yemeni / Saudi Arabia thread.

This is for highlighting the murdering and laughably named IDF and their masters.

[Jairzinho]

Love the Saudis, me. If they were Jewish however...

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I don't think so. I was just curious why one was worthy of comment and one apparently wasn't. Now I know it was just that N-T hadn't spotted the deaths in Yemen, so I'm sure he'll be posting about them in the "Saudi Arabia - A Rant" thread imminently.

 

I don't have anything more to say about this anyway, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now.

Shouldn’t it go in the Middle East Thread?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Shouldn’t it go in the Middle East Thread?

I think a better approach is for some forum users to stop trying to dictate to people what they can and can't talk about. Particularly if they don't have any sort of admin privileges on here.

[Strontium]

I think a better approach is for some forum users to stop trying to dictate to people what they can and can't talk about.

Oh, shut the fuck up.

Shut up, ya bad bore.

Shut up, you bad weapon.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

https://palestinecampaign.iparlsetup.com/lobby/settlement-trade

 

It only takes 30 seconds.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Large Druze demonstrations in Tel Aviv against the Nation State Bill.

 

Unusual to see a mass demonstration in Israel without the usual accompanying extrajudicial executions.

Another mass demo against it, with people from all different communities and right across the political spectrum.

 

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Resist-Apartheid-Thousands-Rally-Against-Israels-Nationality-Bill-20180811-0009.html

 

"Rallying cries included 'Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies'."

 

I like people sometimes.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I thought I'd raise this question here, rather than on the Corbyn thread.

 

Over on that thread, Stronts keeps having a pop at "anti-Zionists" as people who "deny Israel's right to exist".  

 

Although I personally support Israel's right to exist (within the 1967 borders), it doesn't strike me as self-evident that there's a natural right for Israel to exist.  Under international law, there's no right for independent Kurdish, Basque, Welsh, Catalan, etc. states to exist, so why should Israel exist?  At least in the the case of the four non-countries I've just cited, the people wanting independence are the people who have lived there since the year dot.  

 

I'm not aware of any other state being created before the bulk of its population moves in.  The idea of fabricating a "homeland" - especially one whose geographical location stems from Bronze Age fairy stories - is just bizarre.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Being an anti-Zionist isn't the same as denying people or Israel the right to exist. Anybody who tells you that Zionism is simply the support for a Jewish Homeland is a liar. I do not support Jewish states any more than I support Iran as an Islamic state. That said, I don't deny Iran's right to exist. I don't want to kill all Iranians. I want Iran to exist as all nations should exist, every person under the same law with one vote. The same applies to Israel. Saying I don't support a Jewish state doesn't mean, as many Zionists will have you believe, that you want to destroy Israel and have another Holocaust. It means that I want Israel to treat all its citizens the same, with one vote and equal rights. I want Israel and Iran to be democratic states, not for one type of person, not for a religion, not for a race or ethnicity, but for all people, equal under the law. It's all nonsense anyway. Israel exists, and it ain't going anywhere. It's a nuclear armed superpower with the backing of history's only ever hyper power. Its right to exist is backed by armageddon-level power.

[SammyAftershave]