Shooting in Wallasey Village Pub

[Section_31]

13 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

I do think there should be more education in schools as to the consequences of serous crime. I know a barrister and he says his clients are often shocked when they realise the length of the sentence they are facing. Murder with a gun is a minimum 30 years without parole, probably more in this case as he shot into a crowded pub. So that’s the rest of his adult life in s cell 23 hours a day. I can’t believe he anticipated  that beforehand. 

 

Impossible to know what the circumstances are of this crime but I think there needs to be some sort of racketeering act in this country so gangs and their entire command structures are held accountable for the actions of their members.

 

County lines and drug gangs in general are built along the philosophy of expendables being used to do the risky stuff, peddling the drugs or carrying out the violence. Meanwhile Mr Big sits by his pool in his Wilmslow Manor House. 

 

I don't know what high end enforcement is like either with these gangs. I do wonder if the coppers take the low hanging fruit. 

 

I covered a case years ago where they basically had a copper who looked like a smackhead who used to sit on a park bench waiting for people to offer him smack, then the undercovers would take snaps and they'd get sent down. 

 

The plod put out a press release along the lines of "eight gang members sentenced to a total of half a century in jail" to make it sound better. 

 

They were pretty much all nobodies, one of them was in debt to a dealer and forced to deal. Even the judge said at the sentencing something along the lines of "when are the police going to bring me someone worth sending down?" 

 

We need some kind of FBI made up of seriously smart  people with resources and the laws to make an impact.

[Harry's Lad]

7 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Impossible to know what the circumstances are of this crime but I think there needs to be some sort of racketeering act in this country so gangs and their entire command structures are held accountable for the actions of their members.

 

County lines and drug gangs in general are built along the philosophy of expendables being used to do the risky stuff, peddling the drugs or carrying out the violence. Meanwhile Mr Big sits by his pool in his Wilmslow Manor House. 

 

I don't know what high end enforcement is like either with these gangs. I do wonder if the coppers take the low hanging fruit. 

 

I covered a case years ago where they basically had a copper who looked like a smackhead who used to sit on a park bench waiting for people to offer him smack, then the undercovers would take snaps and they'd get sent down. 

 

The plod put out a press release along the lines of "eight gang members sentenced to a total of half a century in jail" to make it sound better. 

 

They were pretty much all nobodies, one of them was in debt to a dealer and forced to deal. Even the judge said at the sentencing something along the lines of "when are the police going to bring me someone worth sending down?" 

 

We need some kind of FBI made up of seriously smart  people with resources and the laws to make an impact.

The Americans have the DEA and while they do have some success the drugs are still getting through and something similar here would yield the same results.

 

While there's demand there's profit and I doubt they will ever be able to put an end to it. 

The drug lords will continue to get richer and the nobodies continue to die or get caught dealing while trying to support their habit only for someone else to take their place.

Even youngsters are getting sucked in, their lives ruined.

 

People who want to use drugs will use them whatever the risks, so either things carry on as they are or a radical shift in policy is required such as legalisation and regulation.

 

If they're legal it delivers a hammer blow to the dealers, cuts crime and makes the streets safer, but legalisation would also carry risks.

 

So is this the answer? I'm fucked if I know but things are getting worse and something has to be done and soon before even more lives are destroyed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

I think you’re all underestimating how fucking stupid these people are.  

[magicrat]

11 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I dont think that enters into this at all. The fact it was 'over the water' is even more shocking.

`More shocking is that something happened in the Lighthouse ,possibly one of the most boring pubs in the world. Mind you it was at least 20 years since I was in there.  Seems they have caught the scum that shot the Lass but I don't mind admitting i was upset when I read about it on Xmas morning.  Used to live near there and its about as far removed from gangland territory as you can imagine. 

[Tj hooker]

Why anyone would fancy serving 30 years or more in one of Charlie's lovely hotels is truly beyond me and I suspect most of if not all of the people on here .

Back in April I caught Covid on a cruise and for the last 4 yes 4 days I was holed up in a lovely cabin with free movies , room service was a phone call away as well,  and a huge king size bed but just not being able to leave the room under any circumstances was seriously playing with my mind and the relief when we docked at Southampton and I was able to get off was just brilliant .

The thought that a cell in any prison for 30 years would be home sends shivers down my spine .

 

 

 

[Section_31]

8 minutes ago, Tj hooker said:

Why anyone would fancy serving 30 years or more in one of Charlie's lovely hotels is truly beyond me and I suspect most of if not all of the people on here .

Back in April I caught Covid on a cruise and for the last 4 yes 4 days I was holed up in a lovely cabin with free movies , room service was a phone call away as well,  and a huge king size bed but just not being able to leave the room under any circumstances was seriously playing with my mind and the relief when we docked at Southampton and I was able to get off was just brilliant .

The thought that a cell in any prison for 30 years would be home sends shivers down my spine .

 

 

 

 

You should deffo recite this to young men at risk of offending, while wearing a trackie.

[Captain Willard]

The worse thing for me would be the isolation. Lifers are given their own cell so you’d be locked up on your own for at least 16 hours a day probably longer. There’s absolutely no internet, very limited phone calls and when you do get to come out of your cell, you can only socialise with the other people in your wing so maybe 20 other people. Those 20 people are murderers, rapists, terrorists etc and alongside their sociopathic personalities, most will have mental health issues caused by being in isolation for decades. These are the people you get to spend hours with every day for the rest of your life. It’s my vision of hell.  

[Section_31]

17 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

....most will have mental health issues caused by being in isolation for decades. These are the people you get to spend hours with every day for the rest of your life.

 

Sounds like the GF.

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

Impossible to know what the circumstances are of this crime but I think there needs to be some sort of racketeering act in this country so gangs and their entire command structures are held accountable for the actions of their members.

 

County lines and drug gangs in general are built along the philosophy of expendables being used to do the risky stuff, peddling the drugs or carrying out the violence. Meanwhile Mr Big sits by his pool in his Wilmslow Manor House. 

 

I don't know what high end enforcement is like either with these gangs. I do wonder if the coppers take the low hanging fruit. 

 

I covered a case years ago where they basically had a copper who looked like a smackhead who used to sit on a park bench waiting for people to offer him smack, then the undercovers would take snaps and they'd get sent down. 

 

The plod put out a press release along the lines of "eight gang members sentenced to a total of half a century in jail" to make it sound better. 

 

They were pretty much all nobodies, one of them was in debt to a dealer and forced to deal. Even the judge said at the sentencing something along the lines of "when are the police going to bring me someone worth sending down?" 

 

We need some kind of FBI made up of seriously smart  people with resources and the laws to make an impact.

The whole war on drugs is the very definition of insanity( I think there is a line in that new David Simon drama where a character asks..who goes to war on their own people?)

People will always take drugs and until we have a politician with the balls to admit that the madness will continue. 

[Harry Squatter]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

I think you’re all underestimating how fucking stupid these people are.  

And the bravado of these rats. All desperate to demonstrate how tough or off their heads they are so no one messes with them. There's no reason why they couldn't have followed him somewhere and shot him in a non crowded area. 

 

Ridiculously sad about that girl, just minding her own business and gets killed by some scumbag. He will probably plead not guilty to murder.

[Arniepie]

25 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

The worse thing for me would be the isolation. Lifers are given their own cell so you’d be locked up on your own for at least 16 hours a day probably longer. There’s absolutely no internet, very limited phone calls and when you do get to come out of your cell, you can only socialise with the other people in your wing so maybe 20 other people. Those 20 people are murderers, rapists, terrorists etc and alongside their sociopathic personalities, most will have mental health issues caused by being in isolation for decades. These are the people you get to spend hours with every day for the rest of your life. It’s my vision of hell.  

I'd love to know how many they don't nick.

Ebery day the echo is full of some low level toe rag who was pulled with a bit of gear on him,but loads must slip through

 

[Captain Willard]

18 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Sounds like the GF.

Ha ha. I’d like to see some of the keyboard warriors on here in that situation. Not so easy to call someone a cunt when they are living 2 cells down, you have to spend 8 hours a day in an enclosed space together and they have already murdered somebody. 

[Harry Squatter]

10 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Ha ha. I’d like to see some of the keyboard warriors on here in that situation. Not so easy to call someone a cunt when they are living 2 cells down, you have to spend 8 hours a day in an enclosed space together and they have already murdered somebody. 

Used to know a prison guard who by his own admission was a massive twat to the inmates. He was shopping in Manchester one year when some fella came up to him who he had given a few digs to when he was inside. The fella had been in prison for 15 years mainly for gbh related offences. 

 

He knew where he lived in Liverpool and his girlfriends name and where she worked. He didn't hit him or anything, just messed with this head and walked off. 

 

Within a year he'd packed in his job and moved house to a completely different area but he was always worried that he'd come home one day to find his girlfriend murdered or that someone would randomly stab him in the street. 

 

Before all this he even told me to apply to be a prison officer to which I replied "Fuck that". 

[PestiRed]

13 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I do think there should be more education in schools as to the consequences of serous crime. I know a barrister and he says his clients are often shocked when they realise the length of the sentence they are facing. Murder with a gun is a minimum 30 years without parole, probably more in this case as he shot into a crowded pub. So that’s the rest of his adult life in s cell 23 hours a day. I can’t believe he anticipated  that beforehand. 

He fired a weapon designed to have a spread into a crowd. Planning for consequences is clearly not a strength of his. As Rico said, don’t under-estimate quite how fucking stupid some of these people are

[VladimirIlyich]

22 hours ago, magicrat said:

`More shocking is that something happened in the Lighthouse ,possibly one of the most boring pubs in the world. Mind you it was at least 20 years since I was in there.  Seems they have caught the scum that shot the Lass but I don't mind admitting i was upset when I read about it on Xmas morning.  Used to live near there and its about as far removed from gangland territory as you can imagine. 

That was pretty much my point. We've become,tragically,aware of it happening in already high crime and poorer areas but a place on the Wirral with no real history of major crime makes it even more horrifying than it already is.

[Chip Butty]

2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

That was pretty much my point. We've become,tragically,aware of it happening in already high crime and poorer areas but a place on the Wirral with no real history of major crime makes it even more horrifying than it already is.

Wait till you see the scrote involved.

 

he’s from tranmere, chasing after some lads because they turned him over after he twatted someone. How fucking tragic is that, that an innocent girl dies over no-mark, wonna be gangsters.

[VladimirIlyich]

20 hours ago, Arniepie said:

The whole war on drugs is the very definition of insanity( I think there is a line in that new David Simon drama where a character asks..who goes to war on their own people?)

People will always take drugs and until we have a politician with the balls to admit that the madness will continue. 

I was going to copy Section's well thought out and excellent post but yours mentioned 'politician' and my comment seems more apt. 

Anybody who doesn't believe politicians are in on this in some way is extremely naive. They either willfully ignore the routes that the drugs take and do nothing or defund,police,customs and other department of our justice system purposely. There is also a fair argument to say the whole war in Afghanistan was over control of those opium producing fields and the withdrawal was because there were agreements reached with the warlords who control them. This may have been for big pharma or it may have been for anybody who can get their hands on it. There is no appetite to stop it because its a major economic product,or the constituents are. Great for those at the top but tragic for those of us who live at the lower ends of society where its worst effects abound.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Despite the amount of clout, superiority and general menacing presence I have in here, I've never known anyone who's owned a gun, or even seen one.

[Rico1304]

54 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Despite the amount of clout, superiority and general menacing presence I have in here, I've never known anyone who's owned a gun, or even seen one.

I’ve seen 1, a bloke I used to knock about with was asked to hide it for a drug dealer called Chris Little.  The lad was a bit dodgy, used to steal cars to order and had a dodgy garage that would sell stolen cars.  He got sent down eventually and that was enough to scare him on to the straight and narrow.  He ended up having a business transporting super cars around Europe - same job but fewer police chasing him.  
 

Chris Little on the other hand

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/how-devil-dog-mobsters-reign-25584313.amp

 

 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I was going to copy Section's well thought out and excellent post but yours mentioned 'politician' and my comment seems more apt. 

Anybody who doesn't believe politicians are in on this in some way is extremely naive. They either willfully ignore the routes that the drugs take and do nothing or defund,police,customs and other department of our justice system purposely. There is also a fair argument to say the whole war in Afghanistan was over control of those opium producing fields and the withdrawal was because there were agreements reached with the warlords who control them. This may have been for big pharma or it may have been for anybody who can get their hands on it. There is no appetite to stop it because its a major economic product,or the constituents are. Great for those at the top but tragic for those of us who live at the lower ends of society where its worst effects abound.

there was that rumour flying around in the 80s that they turned a blind eye to smack coming into liverpool,as they would it would keep the people docile.Not sure how true that is?

Ive no doubt the tentacles go right up to the top. What i dont get though is that if it were legalised,the government would literally make billions.This is a war they are simply never going to win.   

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Despite the amount of clout, superiority and general menacing presence I have in here, I've never known anyone who's owned a gun, or even seen one.

Captain Willard has a few for hunting Peasants( correctly spelt ) and an old Blunderbuss. But he married her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joke.

[VladimirIlyich]

22 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

there was that rumour flying around in the 80s that they turned a blind eye to smack coming into liverpool,as they would it would keep the people docile.Not sure how true that is?

Ive no doubt the tentacles go right up to the top. What i dont get though is that if it were legalised,the government would literally make billions.This is a war they are simply never going to win.   

It's exactly what the US government,or the CIA on their behalf,did with crack in the USA in the 80s. Snowfall touches on it a little. It's not a big leap to believe our right wing government tried something similar on a city they deliberately wanted to run down. 'Managed decline' was the actual phrase.

[Megadrive Man]

48 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Ive no doubt the tentacles go right up to the top. What i dont get though is that if it were legalised,the government would literally make billions.This is a war they are simply never going to win.   

It would be a hard sell to the public trying to justify legalising drugs. Its one thing to decriminalise them but actually legalising hard drugs would be a real vote loser.

[polymerpunkah]

I own a few guns.

 

Rifles, nominally for hunting, but more a cultural holdover of a rural past.

 

I didn't take them to the city when I lived there.

 

Someone would have broken in and stole them.

[Captain Willard]

1 hour ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Captain Willard has a few for hunting Peasants( correctly spelt ) and an old Blunderbuss. But he married her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joke.

Well she’s the second Mrs Willard so more like a revolver.